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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Midnight on January 24, 2001, 11:53:00 PM
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If you want Proof C-hog needs to be Perked do a simple test...
Go to the Kills page and look at the expanded kill stats (IE required) for 10 pilots. Pick the names out of a hat if you want.
You will see that almost all of them have fairly even numbers for most MA planes EXCEPT for the C-hog. A lot of them you see will have killed the damn thing right near the amount of times they have been killed by it.
There are just WAY to many C-hogs flying around being uber-cannon HO dweebs. That is obvious from the number of times it gets killed.
If anyone says most that fly it get kills from skill, they are full of it. Otherwise, the thing would be killed a lot les than it is. Perk the C-hog!!!
"There's too many of them"
"Stay on Target"
"They're too close"
"Stay on Target"
"Loosen up.." BOOM "AHHHH!!!"
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Midnight
13th TAS
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Hmmm 30% of my engagments are 1C's via stats, guess the rumors are true (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/redface.gif)
But, another 20% are Spits of every make. I guess I don't see many spit engagments to the end because it seems like I see alot more Spits then F6F's, N1K2's, and 1C's. Guess because of the time I fly, see alot more variety. Early on I was flying prime time and the 1C hordes skewed my stats (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) The late night crowd is so nice.
Note...engagements on terms of where someone died, be it I or the other type (ie death to + kill of )
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I'm no fan of chawgs or spittys.. but could these stats also be related to the presence of the CV?
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I am sure the CV has something to do with it, but where are the D-hogs? For me...
Kills of D-hog: 17, of C-hog: 28
Killed by Dhog: 4, by C-hog: 28
If the killed by numbers were closer, I would say it was just a CV thing.. but 7x more kiils by C-hog is just too many....
Midnight
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Originally posted by Midnight:
If you want Proof C-hog needs to be Perked do a simple test...
Go to the Kills page and look at the expanded kill stats (IE required) for 10 pilots. Pick the names out of a hat if you want.
You will see that almost all of them have fairly even numbers for most MA planes EXCEPT for the C-hog. A lot of them you see will have killed the damn thing right near the amount of times they have been killed by it.
There are just WAY to many C-hogs flying around being uber-cannon HO dweebs. That is obvious from the number of times it gets killed.
If anyone says most that fly it get kills from skill, they are full of it. Otherwise, the thing would be killed a lot les than it is. Perk the C-hog!!!
"There's too many of them"
"Stay on Target"
"They're too close"
"Stay on Target"
"Loosen up.." BOOM "AHHHH!!!"
what is this "perked" schtuff?
Tex
a mispelled ripoff is still a ripoff :^)
PORKED!
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Originally posted by Midnight:
I am sure the CV has something to do with it, but where are the D-hogs? For me...
Kills of D-hog: 17, of C-hog: 28
Killed by Dhog: 4, by C-hog: 28
If the killed by numbers were closer, I would say it was just a CV thing.. but 7x more kiils by C-hog is just too many....
Midnight
Kills of D-hog: 35, of C-hog: 55
Killed by Dhog: 13, by C-hog: 29
oohh 2 to 1 K/D on both for me (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
and the reason u see more Chog still, is it is available off CVs and still is the best ground attack plane in the set.
whels
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Originally posted by whels1:
..and the reason u see more Chog still, is it is available off CVs and still is the best ground attack plane in the set.
whels
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Bingo! Try strafing a tank or osties with 6x.50's after all your ord has been dropped on the VH/FH/Bh's or acks... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (oh, sure, it can be done, with multiple A/C hitting the target...do it alone, and tell me your success... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif))
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Perk the Ostie!!!
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The Seafire has 2 20mm Hispanos. Use that to straffe Ostwinds. Sure, its not as good, but it can do the job.
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The Seafire has 2 20mm Hispanos. Use that to straffe Ostwinds. Sure, its not as good, but it can do the job.
The Seafire can't do VIFF manuevers like the chog can Karnak. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) <G,D,R>
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Originally posted by Karnak:
The Seafire has 2 20mm Hispanos. Use that to straffe Ostwinds. Sure, its not as good, but it can do the job.
Naaah, the Niki can do whatever the Hog does, only better. The only thing the C_hog does better is take off from the CV! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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you gotta point - i flew the c-hog of of the carriers for the first week after it came out and got 76 kills!
i have spent WAY more time in every other plane and not come anywhere near that record....
does that mean it needs to be perked? nah..... not really..... it just means those guns are ferocious and to adjust my style so i dont end up in front of them - and when i am on offense to just learn to fly better
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Naaah, the Niki can do whatever the Hog does, only better. The only thing the C_hog does better is take off from the CV! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
You've obviously never tried to kill a Panzer or an Ostwind with a bombless Niki.
...or tried to catch up to a Chog
...or tried to win an HO versus a Chog
...or tried to strafe a FH or BH ded like a Chog
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SOB <--walks up to Ripsnort and kicks him in the balls while fiegning a handshake for him trying to deflect attention from his Chog to the poor little cute & defensless niki> (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by SOB:
You've obviously never tried to kill a Panzer or an Ostwind with a bombless Niki.
...or tried to catch up to a Chog
...or tried to win an HO versus a Chog
...or tried to strafe a FH or BH ded like a
yep, done all 3, as a matter of fact, 2 squad meetins ago, we used the N1K as a Chog for ground attack, very successful indeed.
You can easily catch a C-Hog if he makes just 1 turn, since it easily out-accelerates the hog.
HO'ing? Not sure, I try to avoid them and go for the position rather than HO, but the times I've gambled I've lost, but I lose 90% of HO's because, frankly, I suck at HO's.
Strafed FH's, BH's and Vh's with N1K guns with great success, although it takes a wee more ammo than the C-hog.
And instead of 1 pass for a tank, like the Chog requires to kill a tank, it takes me 2.
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Whats the point of using a Seafire over a chog for straffing stuff? Why the hell would any idiot use another plane to prove his manliness and let the world know that he can strafe an osty with 2x20mms instead of 4x20mm. Why not go the easier way? Does it make you seem girly if you use a more effective method? Sometimes I just can't understand people.
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Midnight, you should go here:
A place for complaints (http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=mb185663&TL=)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
Midnight, you should go here:
A place for complaints (http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi?acct=mb185663&TL=)
LMAO@Ripsnort
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Its part of my signature now too! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 01-25-2001).]
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nuttz has 20 kills and has been killed 8 times in the P-47-D30 against the F4U-1C.
go ahead perk it, i'll just kill Niki's
NUTTZ
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I like people flying the F4u-1C. It keeps them out of planes that really give me problems.
AKDejaVu
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Frosty1,
I was saying that the Seafire could serve as the carrier borne Ostwind killer if the F4U-1C were perked. It has 2 Hispanos after all.
Essentially I'm saying that perking the F4U-1C would not force carrier pilots to use 50 cals against tanks. The Seafire ensures that there would be a non-perk carrier fighter that can kill tanks and Ostis. Thus the argument that the F4U-1C is needed to give carriers a tank busting aircraft is disproved.
As the situation is now, there is no reason to use the Seafire in preference to the F4U-1C.
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For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
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Karnak wrote:
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As the situation is now, there is no reason to use the Seafire in preference to the F4U-1C.
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Yeah there is! The Seafire is cool! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) The F4 is bloo. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
I'd rather have cool than bloo any day. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
anRky
-Ih8ubb (and bloo planes, too!)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort:
yep, done all 3, as a matter of fact, 2 squad meetins ago, we used the N1K as a Chog for ground attack, very successful indeed.
You can easily catch a C-Hog if he makes just 1 turn, since it easily out-accelerates the hog.
HO'ing? Not sure, I try to avoid them and go for the position rather than HO, but the times I've gambled I've lost, but I lose 90% of HO's because, frankly, I suck at HO's.
Strafed FH's, BH's and Vh's with N1K guns with great success, although it takes a wee more ammo than the C-hog.
And instead of 1 pass for a tank, like the Chog requires to kill a tank, it takes me 2.
You may have done 'em, but it wasn't easier than with the Chog (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I've done all of the last 3 myself. Not the first one tho', and since you responded in the positive, next time I see you online, you're taking me into the training arena and showing me how to kill them friggin' tanks with the Niki's guns. That's something I've never been able to accomplish (i generally attack from a low angle at thier 6...is this a mistake?)
Hey, I think I've hijacked Midnight's thread (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
SOB