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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Anaxogoras on January 14, 2009, 10:32:30 PM
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Anyone else notice that the N1K is making less of an impact on the arenas? The trend matches the N1K's update. Kind of reminds me of the La-7.
July
% of all non-perked fighter kills+deaths: 4.75
K/D ratio: 1.27
August
% of all non-perked fighter kills+deaths: 4.65
K/D ratio: 1.23
September
% of all non-perked fighter kills+deaths: 4.32
K/D ratio: 1.21
October
% of all non-perked fighter kills+deaths: 3.30
K/D ratio: 1.19
November
% of all non-perked fighter kills+deaths: 2.84
K/D ratio: 1.12
December
% of all non-perked fighter kills+deaths: 2.84
K/D ratio: 1.13
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The La7 is as deadly as it ever was, or, if its not, it must have been insane before, I feel the same is likely true for the N1K.
Benefit of the doubt, maybe a lot of the player base has decided to fly planes they've actually heard of and have historical/coolness factor for them, instead of flying whatever is hyper-modeled or can HO really well?
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it feels like the arena has gotten faster
with spit 5s and 9s being replaced by the spit16
my only guess is that people want to go faster and the nik is not filling that wish
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Being a tactics and strategy dweeb, I have noticed a lot more people dipping their toes into the water of initiative fighting. Like the Niki, even Hurricanes, which were becoming extremely common in LW as Ho'ing dragonfly planes are more rare than they have been. As they probably should be as a pre-1939 design. More people are experimenting with and getting the feel for initiative planes that tend to be able to dictate the fight when flown properly rather than only being able to react.
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I've never held the N1K in as high a regard as the other 5 ENY planes, far from it in fact. Except for a truckload of 20mm it's nothing special. Perhaps more are starting to see the world the way I do. :D
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Niki's and La's don't hold enough ordinance for the increasing land war game.
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Wouldnt be nice if they made a map with only air spawns? 3 bases all many hexes apart. No ground war at all. Call it the Air Map.
Oh and yes I havent seen many Niks lately either.
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Niki's and La's don't hold enough ordinance for the increasing land war game.
I thought the N1K was an NOE favorite? "JOIN MISHIN, NIKKIS AND 110S!!!!" :lol It can carry 1100 lbs of ords, after all, and the cannons work great on buildings.
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I see a coloration with school... :aok
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Your right about the N1K in a decline. I do think and see more people running away in the 51D more than ever. I'm not upset by this trend of declining Howagons. I'll take a decline in all 5 eny planes. In fact, I think any eny plane of 5 should be perked.
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Your right about the N1K in a decline. I do think and see more people running away in the 51D more than ever. I'm not upset by this trend of declining Howagons. I'll take a decline in all 5 eny planes. In fact, I think any eny plane of 5 should be perked.
Fighting, even badly, is vastly preferable to running away. People don't learn anything about how to fight by running away.
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Anyone else notice that the N1K is making less of an impact on the arenas? The trend matches the N1K's update. Kind of reminds me of the La-7.
July
% of all non-perked fighter kills+deaths: 4.75
K/D ratio: 1.27
August
% of all non-perked fighter kills+deaths: 4.65
K/D ratio: 1.23
September
% of all non-perked fighter kills+deaths: 4.32
K/D ratio: 1.21
October
% of all non-perked fighter kills+deaths: 3.30
K/D ratio: 1.19
November
% of all non-perked fighter kills+deaths: 2.84
K/D ratio: 1.12
December
% of all non-perked fighter kills+deaths: 2.84
K/D ratio: 1.13
The next Lusche :D
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Anyone else notice that the N1K is making less of an impact on the arenas? The trend matches the N1K's update. Kind of reminds me of the La-7.
Seems the same thing is happening with most planes. Plane gets updated, K+D goes down, but so does the K/D too. In other words they are used less, and with less success.
It happened that way with the La-7, N1k, Me 262.
Benefit of the doubt, maybe a lot of the player base has decided to fly planes they've actually heard of and have historical/coolness factor for them, instead of flying whatever is hyper-modeled or can HO really well?
I am not that optimistic about our player base. ;)
Niki's and La's don't hold enough ordinance for the increasing land war game.
The N1k is, and has always been, a favourite ride for NOE landgrabbers, because of it's performance and firepower, which is ample when strafing towns. One Niki can kill at least 10 town buildings with it's guns alone. Bombs & guns combined have the destructive equivalent of about 4000lbs of bombs
The next Lusche :D
No graphs... :P
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I've noticed this too. IMO the N1K was the easiest 5 ENY plane to kill too, hopefully those N1K drivers are trying to learn something other than a 5 ENY plane (or maybe they just went to the spit 16) :rolleyes:
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But aren't you fellas glad that the new trend isn't P-51s and 190Ds like it was mid last year?
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I've noticed this too. IMO the N1K was the easiest 5 ENY plane to kill too, hopefully those N1K drivers are trying to learn something other than a 5 ENY plane (or maybe they just went to the spit 16) :rolleyes:
Nope, Im going to keep flying my N1K :D :P
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Perhaps it is actually just a question of usage not increasing with the addition of new players. First time a 2 weeker tries to land a N1Ki, and loses their tail section they will go with something else and never fly that Japanese fighter again!!!
Just a thought.
How about getting some stats on total # of players playing and then compare it to the data of the N1Ki....................... :pray
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But aren't you fellas glad that the new trend isn't P-51s and 190Ds like it was mid last year?
The trend is still there, and even bigger than before. In current tour, P51D has almost 10% of all plane kills&deaths. I think that's the highest share any plane had in the last 3 years.
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How about getting some stats on total # of players playing and then compare it to the data of the N1Ki....................... :pray
Why? The idea is to show proportion, not absolute numbers. But based on the K+D in the arenas there's fewer people in the arenas in the fall than during Summer. Now, that would make me say "aha!" about the N1K, "it's a squeaker ride!," but it's K/D goes down too, which is the opposite of what I'd expect once all the squeakers are in school, i.e. lots of noobs flying it who don't know what they're doing brings the K/D down.
Fow now I'm sticking with the Update explanation: some small changes have been made that make the N1K slightly less competitive, just like the La-7 and 262.
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:huh
Did I not say it right? Oh no, I did. Correlating the total number of players and total number of N1Ki's gives you proportion data. Which can be compared to this time last year. Which will give a better data set as to whether or not the N1Ki is in decline.
Why? The idea is to show proportion, not absolute numbers.
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Sorry for the misinterpretation. :o
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You never have to apologize Anaxogoras...... You're a fine gent and we all read these things fast at times. <S>
Sorry for the misinterpretation. :o
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Nope, Im going to keep flying my N1K :D :P
Go for it, they don't seem to give me too much trouble
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But aren't you fellas glad that the new trend isn't P-51s and 190Ds like it was mid last year?
No. For three reasons.
1. I'd actually heard of P-51s and even "long nose" 190s before I started this game.
2. At least they are not what Zazen calls "hyper-modeled HOing dragonflies" with which any noob can win by honking back on the stick really hard and spraying at every opportunity. Say what you will about P-51s, I've never had one swap ends and HO me from a six pursuit inside D800.
3. I don't have much problem with airplanes running away from me. Possibly because I am not usually flying one of the planes described in point two.
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The Spitfire Mk.16 replaces all !
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The trend is still there, and even bigger than before. In current tour, P51D has almost 10% of all plane kills&deaths. I think that's the highest share any plane had in the last 3 years.
That's because all P51D drivers are picking tarts. :D
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No. For three reasons.
1. I'd actually heard of P-51s and even "long nose" 190s before I started this game.
2. At least they are not what Zazen calls "hyper-modeled HOing dragonflies" with which any noob can win by honking back on the stick really hard and spraying at every opportunity. Say what you will about P-51s, I've never had one swap ends and HO me from a six pursuit inside D800.
3. I don't have much problem with airplanes running away from me. Possibly because I am not usually flying one of the planes described in point two.
Your self rightousness is showing.
There are a great many aircraft that the P-51D and Fw190D-9 easily stroll away from that are not N1K2-Js or Spitfire Mk XVIs.
Your mischaracterizations are pathetic.
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That's because all P51D drivers are picking tarts. :D
Yay! My B-model is excluded!!! :D
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I see a coloration with school... :aok
:rofl :rofl There's some irony there! :rofl :rofl
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The Spitfire Mk.16 replaces all !
Ding ding ding! We have a correct answer!
No reason to take a n1k2 with fishy ballistics, worse turning, slower roll rate when the uber bogus spixteen rules the skies in far greater numbers.
Newbie gets killed by 20 spits, starts flying spits, finds he gets more kills than before, stays with spits.
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Doesn't look like Spit 16 gained much from the N1K usage decline:
(http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/5848/clipboard01oz2.jpg)
(as usually, "usage" = Kills + Deaths)
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Another non-believer of Krusty Math.
(http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q96/Shuff_photos/DrinkingSmiley.gif)
Shhhhuuuuuuunnn the non-believer.....
umm has anyone seen my kidney?
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Doesn't look like Spit 16 gained much from the N1K usage decline:
(http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/5848/clipboard01oz2.jpg)
(as usually, "usage" = Kills + Deaths)
not much left to gain, its already almost at the top.. even taking the top briefly from the 51..
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I thought the N1K was an NOE favorite? "JOIN MISHIN, NIKKIS AND 110S!!!!" :lol It can carry 1100 lbs of ords, after all, and the cannons work great on buildings.
Who would join if the quote was "JOIN MISHUN, NOE P40S AND HURR1S!! :rofl
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Your self rightousness is showing.
There are a great many aircraft that the P-51D and Fw190D-9 easily stroll away from that are not N1K2-Js or Spitfire Mk XVIs.
Your mischaracterizations are pathetic.
Take a look at the post I was responding to...
No stereotype is ever true 100% of the time, I just try to balance one with another, if you know what I mean.
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Lushe,
Ignore Krusty. He is on his daily Spitfire Hate.
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Ding ding ding! We have a correct answer!
No reason to take a n1k2 with fishy ballistics, worse turning, slower roll rate when the uber bogus spixteen rules the skies in far greater numbers.
Newbie gets killed by 20 spits, starts flying spits, finds he gets more kills than before, stays with spits.
What I win? If only the Spitfire Mk.16 had 21lbs of boots, then we could all get more kills in our Spitfires!
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That's because all P51D drivers are picking tarts. :D
Im not a pick tard :(
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Im not a pick tard :(
Repeat please. :)
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That's because all P51D drivers are picking tarts. :D
Says the Tempest flying picking tart
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Im not a pick tard :(
I'm a pick-tard and I don't even consider the 51 my main ride! :D
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The La7 is as deadly as it ever was, or, if its not, it must have been insane before, I feel the same is likely true for the N1K.
Benefit of the doubt, maybe a lot of the player base has decided to fly planes they've actually heard of and have historical/coolness factor for them, instead of flying whatever is hyper-modeled or can HO really well?
LA7 is not what it used to be. Not the same impact.
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Lushe,
Ignore Krusty. He is on his daily Spitfire Hate.
Ignore Karnak with his narrow mind.
Substitute spit for whatever, the example still holds true. Newbie comes into the game flying what he thinks is a great plane, gets killed repeatedly by other newbies, moves to "ride X" (which in 90% of cases is a spitfire) and finds out he can now get the same kills as they can. End result: N1k2 "George" gets flown less.
I don't think the N1K2 is any less effective than it used to be. I landed 10 kills in it after it was remodeled (all bombers). However, the La7 and the Me262 both got nerfed a bit (the 262 a lot), so while there may be performance reasons for their decline, I think there are other reasons at work with the N1K2.
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I think when they remoded the F6 that they did the Nikki a little bit and it got a little sluggish.
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The La7 is as deadly as it ever was, or, if its not, it must have been insane before, I feel the same is likely true for the N1K.
Benefit of the doubt, maybe a lot of the player base has decided to fly planes they've actually heard of and have historical/coolness factor for them, instead of flying whatever is hyper-modeled or can HO really well?
The LA7 was toned down a bit after that update but the LA5 was hit much harder. They were both made more difficult to fly and had a much worse view out of the back. Still in the hands of a capable sim pilot, they were still very deadly. The LA7 is a bit more unstable and doesn't turn like it used to. It's been while since I've flown, but I the LA5 was hit the hardest out of the two, it was pretty easy to lawn dart if you were dog fighting close to the ground. It just didn't seem to want to pull up smetimes, even at low speeds.
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the LA5 was hit the hardest out of the two, it was pretty easy to lawn dart if you were dog fighting close to the ground. It just didn't seem to want to pull up smetimes, even at low speeds.
I never flew either LA's before the patch, but I have been flying the LA5 a bit lately and I have noticed this tendency.
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Handling wise I don't see alot of difference between old and new with the nik. I do see a large difference in FOV since that dang crossbar in now sitting across the aiming reticle. I find it very hard to line up shots with the giant blindspot at 12 oclock.
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most of the time I see N1ks they're standing on their tail motionless right in front of me, is this pilots or the plane making them worse?