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Title: B-25H
Post by: hornet79 on January 22, 2009, 08:54:47 AM

I'm trying to get a handle on flying the 25H. What applications do you like for them. I can handle the strafing, but haven't figured out how to bomb. It's not like level and you certainly cant dive bomb with them. Looking for pointers.

Thanks!! :confused:
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: Saxman on January 22, 2009, 09:11:37 AM
I use her as both a heavy-strafer, tank-buster and glide-bomber.

When bombing I open the doors and enter a shallow dive with throttle pulled back from about 5000AGL. As soon as the target passes out of view under the nose I release my eggs.

It's really a lot like low-level bombing with any other jabo, it just takes practice to find the release point.

I just wish HTC would give us the 5 AP rounds the historical aircraft received in the field.  :furious
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: Lusche on January 22, 2009, 09:25:07 AM
For a short time B-25 was the premier tank hunter until the Wirbel  and the updated Il-2 appeared.
It's 75mm is still able to give a one-hit-death to every tank on AH2, even without AP.
Another, quite dweeby thing, the 25H is good at: Killing strat targets. 3K of bombs and lotta gun ammo.
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: Anaxogoras on January 22, 2009, 09:25:33 AM
When bombing I open the doors and enter a shallow dive with throttle pulled back from about 5000AGL.

This is very important advice.  In my ignorance I recently ripped the wings off a B-25H without even blacking out.  At high speed you have very little control authority.  As you decelerate, the control authority returns quickly, so that if you've been giving lots of elevator input without effect, it will suddenly have great effect and the wings will snap.
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: Saxman on January 22, 2009, 09:33:39 AM
For a short time B-25 was the premier tank hunter until the Wirbel  and the updated Il-2 appeared.
It's 75mm is still able to give a one-hit-death to every tank on AH2, even without AP.
Another, quite dweeby thing, the 25H is good at: Killing strat targets. 3K of bombs and lotta gun ammo.

Very true. However it'd be nice to have the AP to deal with those pesky Wirbles from outside their effective range and save the HE for the tanks. :D
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: Yossarian on January 22, 2009, 12:59:47 PM
This is very important advice.  In my ignorance I recently ripped the wings off a B-25H without even blacking out.  At high speed you have very little control authority.  As you decelerate, the control authority returns quickly, so that if you've been giving lots of elevator input without effect, it will suddenly have great effect and the wings will snap.

If you find yourself in a 'high speed' (well by B-25 standards anyway) dive, roll a bit to one side, and use full rudder to raise your nose up without stressing your wings as much.
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: USCH on January 22, 2009, 01:53:27 PM
Another, quite dweeby thing, the 25H is good at: Killing strat targets. 3K of bombs and lotta gun ammo.
[/quote] ya cuz a B-25 never made low level attacks in the PTO on strats targets  :huh
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: lyric1 on January 22, 2009, 08:52:04 PM
Another, quite dweeby thing, the 25H is good at: Killing strat targets. 3K of bombs and lotta gun ammo.
I don't see how it would be dweeby for a plane to do what it was designed to do.
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: Lusche on January 22, 2009, 09:04:37 PM
I don't see how it would be dweeby for a plane to do what it was designed to do.

There are planes (buffs) that are even better at leveling strats... but the B-25 has the best combination of weapons for boosting your attack rank ;)
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: Saxman on January 22, 2009, 09:33:36 PM
There are planes (buffs) that are even better at leveling strats... but the B-25 has the best combination of weapons for boosting your attack rank ;)

There's not many planes in the game that can knock down a hangar on guns alone. Even FEWER that can gun down MULTIPLE hangars.
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: comet61 on January 22, 2009, 10:46:37 PM
I have used the B25H many times in Lanc killing. That 75mm can come in handy and all those 50's will square them away. :O
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: Krusty on January 22, 2009, 11:28:16 PM
It's no good for bomber killing unless you get a 1 in a Trillion chance and just happen to appear behind them. It's actually slower than the major heavy bombers at alt, and it can't dive very well because even the slightest input rips both wings off at the fuselage.

So unless you "just" happen to wind up behind a set of enemy bombers inside firing range, you're better off in any other fighter in the game (including the Hurr1)

P.S. The one time I *did* get inside kill range of a set of lancs I landed a 75mm hit with a spectacular fireball on the wing just inside the outer right engine, and nothing happened. I didn't even knock the flap off or make the oil leak.
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: moot on January 22, 2009, 11:41:10 PM
Krusty, it's not that hard. Just get some alt on them, and vector correctly. I can't find it, but I made a chart of all bombers' level speeds overlaid, and the 25H has one alt where it's in the mix.
I've gotten a kill with every single 75mm hit I landed. A couple of times it took out one bomber and either set another on fire or tweaked it bad enough for the guy to bail out of #2, or just killed it.  Hitting a formation flying off in auto-level from 1.5K is not hard with a bit of practice. 2K is probably doable reliably with enough practice.
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: Krusty on January 22, 2009, 11:51:54 PM
Anything above 15k has walked away from me even when I'm using WEP. I've tried a number of times hehehe

Chased a set of B17s or B24s (can't recall which) for 3 sectors once and never even got close. Gave up and landed.
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: moot on January 22, 2009, 11:55:04 PM
It's doable.. the window's small but it's not worth just giving up.
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: lyric1 on January 23, 2009, 07:07:45 AM
Anything above 15k has walked away from me even when I'm using WEP. I've tried a number of times hehehe

Chased a set of B17s or B24s (can't recall which) for 3 sectors once and never even got close. Gave up and landed.
I think that was me.
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: RTHolmes on January 23, 2009, 09:51:45 AM
great for factories - 4 trips and its flattened :D   nailed a Lanc in the fuselage between the wings from about 800yd once, it just disintegrated in front of me :aok
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: DarkglamJG52 on January 23, 2009, 11:23:11 AM
Off topic:

http://www.pbjmitchell.com/ (http://www.pbjmitchell.com/) (click Learn More). Nice info. IMHO.

Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: comet61 on January 23, 2009, 06:00:02 PM
Quote
It's no good for bomber killing unless you get a 1 in a Trillion chance and just happen to appear behind them. It's actually slower than the major heavy bombers at alt, and it can't dive very well because even the slightest input rips both wings off at the fuselage.



I guess I should have made myself a little more clearer. When the Lancs are at about 3K-6K at low-level bombing, the B25H can ruin their day. Though not lately, I have shot down several Lancs and B26's too, using MG's and 75mm. At altitude....then no, the B25 is too slow. The B25H is great for the low and slower Lancs...even better when they try JABO. It can be done. I've done it and not a trillion to 1 shot either. I've seen others do it as well. It is one of those "being at the right place at the right time".
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: Yossarian on January 23, 2009, 06:57:08 PM


I guess I should have made myself a little more clearer. When the Lancs are at about 3K-6K at low-level bombing, the B25H can ruin their day. Though not lately, I have shot down several Lancs and B26's too, using MG's and 75mm. At altitude....then no, the B25 is too slow. The B25H is great for the low and slower Lancs...even better when they try JABO. It can be done. I've done it and not a trillion to 1 shot either. I've seen others do it as well. It is one of those "being at the right place at the right time".

Agreed, my favourite shot was where the 75mm passed into the back of the Lanc, curved downwards and hit the nose again as it came out.  Double ownage  :devil
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: Larry on January 23, 2009, 08:51:18 PM
My uber aimbit shot on the N1K2 at 1.5K. :D
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: Helm on January 24, 2009, 02:53:04 PM
I can't hit nothing "glide bombing" the B25's.  I have practiced and practiced and have never hit anything.

  So I have been forced to learn how to dive bomb with it.  The problem is the B25 accelerates very fast in a dive and hits "parts damage" speed very quickly ...so you must keep this in mind when you dive bomb. 

Until you get good at it ...pick big targets to drop on ...like maybe drop on a town ...or a factory for practice ...as you get better you can go for smaller targets


Here is my routine:

1) I come to the target about 10k above ground level

2) once almost over the target  I close my throttle ....open bomb bay doors

3) I begin to deploy flaps till i get to full flaps out

4) I then go external view and watch till the target is right under me...usually by this point the stall buzzer is starting to go off

5)  The B25 WILL NOT nose straight down ...if you try to do this it takes so long to get pointed straight down you will be too fast by the time you get the nose down and you will be in the speed range of losing a wing or the tail.....I use a trick to get around this:   Right as the target is below you  pull up and bank about 45 degrees ...then kick inside rudder .....this will swing the nose down much faster ....as the nose points down  roll the plane to help it get vertical and to finish the line up.

6)  Once you get the nose pointed down things start happening real fast ...you only have seconds to line up the drop.  I continue to "stand" on the rudder and use it to control my speed ...once i think I am lined up ...I let off the rudder and drop as soon as the plane straightens out....I usually count 1 then drop  (to make sure the bird has stopped skidding)

...NOTE: once you get the nose pointed  down the flaps  begin retracting .....you better be lined up about the time the last notch comes back off deploy .......if the drop does not look good.... pull out ...go vertical ....repeat steps 1-6 till you get a good drop.

7)  Pulling out ....B25 is very fragile if compressed ...the wings and the tail come off very very easy....The secret to pulling out is:  Do not just count on the stick to pull you out....as soon as i want to pull out... I roll in 100% nose trim up ...while at the same time "GENTLY" pulling back on the stick ....let the nose trim do 60% of the work .....she will grunt and groan but it will pull out provided you pulled out soon enuff, and if you did a good job keeping the speed down ......If I have more bombs to drop or I just need to line up the drop again ...I continue pulling the nose up until I am vertical ...go back to 100% throttle and zoom back up for another drop   

NOTE: as the nose comes up and my speed comes down I reset my trim by hitting combat trim ....usually this is at about a 45 degree vertical angle ...i continue going vertical to set up the next drop...also if it is my intention to zoom and attack again I will go 100% throttle at about this same point that i turn combat trim back on


8 )  Coming out my first drop I continue going vertical  till the b25 beging to stall ....near stall speed I deploy flaps till full deploy ....then i chop throttle ...kick inside rudder which swings the nose down and use the roll to help finish making me point the nose straight down again ..... ..basically step #6 ...then step #7 for the pull out.


TIPS:  Try carry as little fuel as possible  ....also don't be afraid if things don't look good for your drop (lined up) ...just back off ...zoom and try again ....don't press things ....you will only get too fast and you will just end up losing parts

also I seem to lose the tail parts more the I lose the wings ...but in figuring this out I have lost both ...or either

Keep In mind these methods can be applied to any plane ....it is even useful w/ fighters that build up too much speed in a dive.

I love the b25 ...so I HAD to learn how to use it as a dive bomber ...I am helpless glide bombing it

I hope these tips help you.  If you have and questions or need some help please ask me here ...or in person ...i will do my best to help you.



Helm ...out
XO ^"^Nazgul^"^

Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: moot on January 24, 2009, 03:13:49 PM
Step #8 becomes so easy as to not require flaps, if you hammerhead the B25 with separate engine throttling, to the right hand side.  It will remove a lot of the vertical (relative to the pilot seat) velocity as you're coming out of the reverse, which means less time spent waiting for the plane's motion to settle and match the gunsight, i.e. easier bombing.  This also applies to 75mm shots.. This method makes killshots on tigers a lot easier.
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: Nilsen on January 28, 2009, 01:20:58 AM
For a short time B-25 was the premier tank hunter until the Wirbel  and the updated Il-2 appeared.
It's 75mm is still able to give a one-hit-death to every tank on AH2, even without AP.
Another, quite dweeby thing, the 25H is good at: Killing strat targets. 3K of bombs and lotta gun ammo.

Brings back memories of 2 days ago.

I flew my g14 out to one of our strat targets that was by now behind enemy lines making sure i didn not reveal my mosition. Parked on the shoreline next to the ammo factory and waited. Took me about 30 mins of having coffe and a snack, but finally the first customer showed up. He must have been very suprised when a g14 lifted from the ammo factory and ruined his dreams of a nice safe milkrun. It was a b25  :D
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: RTHolmes on January 28, 2009, 08:59:06 AM
nowhere near as agile as an A20 but you can get the odd A2A kill with em too, from yesterday:

http://www.lumbergh.aquiss.com/ah/ah_films/b25h_corsair_kill_0303.ahf (http://www.lumbergh.aquiss.com/ah/ah_films/b25h_corsair_kill_0303.ahf) :D
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: bongaroo on January 28, 2009, 09:11:06 AM
I'd like to pick up one of the gunsights ranging the 75mm out.  I've been very happy blowing up guns and sometimes sinking ships when a cv group comes in close.  You need to start landing your shots from a good distance out though, the 5" guns make short work of you.

HOing any silly zero's that fly straight at you on the way is just icing on the cake.   :devil
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: B4Buster on January 28, 2009, 12:04:56 PM
You can dive bomb with it, just takes a little practice. You do need to make sure you aren't going too fast so you don't snap the wings off, and make sure you leave yourself enough room to pull out
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: Larry on January 28, 2009, 01:02:27 PM
All you need is 2-3K of alt to bomb or use the big gun. Cut throttle when in the dive and WEP when coming out.
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: Saxman on January 28, 2009, 01:15:04 PM
HOing any silly zero's that fly straight at you on the way is just icing on the cake.   :devil

HOing Zekes with ANYTHING is a particularly tasty slice of that cake. I've made more than a few Zeros flinch in the Mains and FSO by accepting the HO. :D
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: Ghosth on January 31, 2009, 08:50:49 AM
As to bombing, 250 feet AGL, 250 mph, level or a very slight glide, bottom of the sight glass is your aim point.

Come to the TA and try it someday. You can get very good accuracy with low level high speed runs.

And yes that cannon will hit things out to 4k if you have a good sight and your good at estimating range.

(http://www.332nd.org/dogs/Ghosth/b25Hwh.bmp)

(http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/files/ghosth/B25h.jpg)

Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: Ghosth on January 31, 2009, 09:15:14 AM
Single guy in a b25h attacking a fleet if he's careful can sink the cruiser first pass.

Trick is to learn what size that carrier is at about 4k so you can estimate that first shot.
Once you start hitting with that first or 2nd shot, you can come in hammering him all the way. If you hit with most rounds, and open up the MG's inside 1k he should go down about the time you overfly him.

3 guys in b25's can ruin a task groups day assuming there isn't someone waiting in a 5" gun.

Gunsight I designed and use is in the post right above this one, your welcome to it.


I'd like to pick up one of the gunsights ranging the 75mm out.  I've been very happy blowing up guns and sometimes sinking ships when a cv group comes in close.  You need to start landing your shots from a good distance out though, the 5" guns make short work of you.

HOing any silly zero's that fly straight at you on the way is just icing on the cake.   :devil
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: bongaroo on January 31, 2009, 10:39:45 AM
I dropped it in my sights folder, how come it's pink and all the defaults have black backgrounds?
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: Ghosth on January 31, 2009, 06:04:08 PM
Because its a single channel sight, not an alpha with transparency. That would actually take 2 files to do the same thing.

For me it was easier to build it to the old standard.
Although I'm sure some of the guys around here could probably convert it.
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: bongaroo on February 01, 2009, 10:54:20 AM
Cool.  Thanks for this!   :aok
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: AKP on June 12, 2009, 09:09:51 PM
Hey GhostH... nice work on the gunsight for the 25H.  Just found it here and I photoshopped it a little and added to it.  All the marks are based on yours, just made it a little sexier.

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l273/woosle_2006/B25H75mm.jpg)

I added the range numbers for those of us that need them, and laid it over the US MK9 gunsight.  I checked it for accuracy and it is pretty dead on.  Works best against ground targets, but if you can get a shot off at an air con that is flying away from you straight and level... its darn close.

Here is a shot of it in game:

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l273/woosle_2006/b25h_ss.jpg)

Im a big fan of the 25H... so this was nice to find. 
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: Ack-Ack on June 12, 2009, 10:30:55 PM
Hey GhostH... nice work on the gunsight for the 25H.  Just found it here and I photoshopped it a little and added to it.  All the marks are based on yours, just made it a little sexier.

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l273/woosle_2006/B25H75mm.jpg)

I added the range numbers for those of us that need them, and laid it over the US MK9 gunsight.  I checked it for accuracy and it is pretty dead on.  Works best against ground targets, but if you can get a shot off at an air con that is flying away from you straight and level... its darn close.

Here is a shot of it in game:

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l273/woosle_2006/b25h_ss.jpg)

Im a big fan of the 25H... so this was nice to find. 

oh you rock, this is a great sight.  Could you post both .bmps for the sight?


ack-ack
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: TonyJoey on June 12, 2009, 11:07:39 PM
25 is a real killer, and as snailman metioned, it's even more a strat killer. Took out 69% of it the fuel refinery today quite easily with the combo of 6x500's, 21 75mm, and 3200 .50's (excluding turrets, which help too). The 75mm 1-hit kill any gv, the tiger is pretty difficult to 1 hit though, quite easily too. It's an optimal close air support plane for ground battles.
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: Ack-Ack on June 12, 2009, 11:39:11 PM
25 is a real killer, and as snailman metioned, it's even more a strat killer. Took out 69% of it the fuel refinery today quite easily with the combo of 6x500's, 21 75mm, and 3200 .50's (excluding turrets, which help too). The 75mm 1-hit kill any gv, the tiger is pretty difficult to 1 hit though, quite easily too. It's an optimal close air support plane for ground battles.

Definitely is fantastic in the tank busting role and you can easily take out the turrets of Osties and WW from a safe distance with the 75mm.  I've found the T-34 to be the hardest nut to crack with the B-25H.  You really need to nail the T-34 in the right spot behind the turret, though they are easy to track.

ack-ack
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: TonyJoey on June 12, 2009, 11:54:08 PM
Definitely is fantastic in the tank busting role and you can easily take out the turrets of Osties and WW from a safe distance with the 75mm.  I've found the T-34 to be the hardest nut to crack with the B-25H.  You really need to nail the T-34 in the right spot behind the turret, though they are easy to track.

ack-ack
I definately prefer the B-25H over the IL2 at attacking WW's/osties. Killed a WW at 1.5 the other day. He didnt have a chance. IL-2 forces you to get in closer, and risk taking damage. That slanted armor definately is annoying. Almost hit myself with the 75mm after it deflected off the turret. :lol
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: lyric1 on June 12, 2009, 11:56:05 PM
Hey GhostH... nice work on the gunsight for the 25H.  Just found it here and I photoshopped it a little and added to it.  All the marks are based on yours, just made it a little sexier.

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l273/woosle_2006/B25H75mm.jpg)

I added the range numbers for those of us that need them, and laid it over the US MK9 gunsight.  I checked it for accuracy and it is pretty dead on.  Works best against ground targets, but if you can get a shot off at an air con that is flying away from you straight and level... its darn close.

Here is a shot of it in game:

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l273/woosle_2006/b25h_ss.jpg)

Im a big fan of the 25H... so this was nice to find. 
I saved it & to the game & It only comes up blank on the plane & on the clipboard so what am I doing wrong?
I have always used this one it works well. I think yours may work better.
(http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/6835/b25h.png) (http://img37.imageshack.us/i/b25h.png/)
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: Saxman on June 12, 2009, 11:58:03 PM
I keep wishing HTC would give her the couple AP rounds (I think it was 5-7 AP). The whines of the tankers and Wirbleweasles would be PRICELESS.
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: Rich46yo on June 13, 2009, 12:03:20 AM
I wish we'd see this ole girl in more missions. Real historical missions, escorted by fighters or fighting their way in. They toyed with putting the big gun on the A-26 too, but with the B-25H they really did it. A really great mission aircraft.

My dream is to fly in one one day.http://www.warbirdsunlimited.org/aircraft.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jYoeqUs2KI&feature=related
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: lyric1 on June 13, 2009, 12:16:49 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jYoeqUs2KI&feature=related
I Did not know Guppy35 flew B-25's  :)
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: Rich46yo on June 13, 2009, 12:34:38 AM
AK I dont know why but I saved the sight as BMP into my sights folder and it doesnt show up when I try and put it in the airplane. The file is there but its invisible. Strange cause it shows up everywhere else just not in the game.
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: AKP on June 13, 2009, 08:23:54 AM
Ahhh.... I figured out why its not working.  I didnt realize Photobucket converts the BMP's into JPGS when you upload them.  Even if you save it as a BMP, the conversion process removes the alpha layer in the image file.  So I uploaded them to my comcast webspace... I should work fine for you guys now.

I also posted the original mod by GhostH, and a "pink" version of the mod I did.  There are also direct links to the BMP's for easier download. 

Sorry for the mix up  :eek:


(http://home.comcast.net/~princeak/B25H75mm.bmp)
http://home.comcast.net/~princeak/B25H75mm.bmp
Resaved Original Mod

(http://home.comcast.net/~princeak/b25HwhV2.bmp)
http://home.comcast.net/~princeak/b25HwhV2.bmp
Modified "Pink" Version

(http://home.comcast.net/~princeak/b25Hwh.bmp)
http://home.comcast.net/~princeak/b25Hwh.bmp
Original Mod by GhostH

Hope that works for you guys.

I use the 25H more than I use any other plane, including fighters.  I use it for busting ships, tanks, factories, bases... and even for base defense against air cons! Its funny to see attacking fighters peel off and come after me when they see my "lumbering ol' bomber" take off.  I stay low on the deck (< 100') and draw them off my team mates, then light'em up with the tail and turret.  I have even done a bit of dogfighting with it using the forward 50's and the 75.  My survival % gets better each time :)

Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: AKP on June 13, 2009, 08:32:54 AM
I wish we'd see this ole girl in more missions. Real historical missions, escorted by fighters or fighting their way in.

Heck yea!  Us 25er's should band together and fly some formations together.  A group of these babies would be a real force to be reckoned with.
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: AKP on June 13, 2009, 10:48:00 AM
I reposted all the gunsights for the B25H in a new thread so they are easier to see, and DL.  Fixed the error too.

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,266661.0.html

Oh... and while I was playing around with photoshop...

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l273/woosle_2006/b25fun.jpg)

LOL...

Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: Saxman on June 13, 2009, 01:00:13 PM
I reposted all the gunsights for the B25H in a new thread so they are easier to see, and DL.  Fixed the error too.

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,266661.0.html

Oh... and while I was playing around with photoshop...

(http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l273/woosle_2006/b25fun.jpg)

LOL...



Looks like a J strafer (12x .50cal). Really wish we had that package, with the optional forward-locked top turret (14 Deuces FTW!). :D
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: Ack-Ack on June 13, 2009, 08:46:20 PM
I definately prefer the B-25H over the IL2 at attacking WW's/osties. Killed a WW at 1.5 the other day. He didnt have a chance. IL-2 forces you to get in closer, and risk taking damage. That slanted armor definately is annoying. Almost hit myself with the 75mm after it deflected off the turret. :lol

Another tactic that I use and surprisingly with success is coming in very low, I mean like 10-15ft off the deck and using the forward .50 cals to take out the turrets and as I get within 200yards, fire the 75mm and pull up hard.  My guess as to why it actually works is that the dust that is kicked up by the .50s all around the GV obscure the gunner's view of me coming in and it only takes a brief burst of the .50s to take out the turret. 


ack-ack
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: AKP on June 15, 2009, 10:09:20 PM
Another tactic that I use and surprisingly with success is coming in very low, I mean like 10-15ft off the deck and using the forward .50 cals to take out the turrets and as I get within 200yards, fire the 75mm and pull up hard.  My guess as to why it actually works is that the dust that is kicked up by the .50s all around the GV obscure the gunner's view of me coming in and it only takes a brief burst of the .50s to take out the turret. 


ack-ack

LOL... I do that too... I just have to keep my eye out for low flying shrubbery!
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: SectorNine50 on June 16, 2009, 04:26:34 AM
I've always had a soft spot for the B-25, thanks very much for the gun sights!

Hopefully I see a B-25 mission or two in the near future! ;)
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: lyric1 on June 16, 2009, 06:56:51 AM
I also hope if we get ord options using our perks we might get to bolt some of these on.

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Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: AKP on June 16, 2009, 09:37:34 AM
I have reposted all of the above information on the modified gunsight in the Training Forums, along with some additional information on ranging and leading targets.  Any future information related to this topic I will post there.  Here is the link to the new thread:

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,266812.0.html

Thanks for all the input guys!

 :salute
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: Ack-Ack on June 16, 2009, 12:32:54 PM
I also hope if we get ord options using our perks we might get to bolt some of these on.

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Those are jerry rigged field mods.  The H was able to carry HVAR rockets mounted under the wings.


ack-ack
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: Reaper90 on June 16, 2009, 12:51:40 PM
OK, newb question here, but seeing this thread the other day I thought "hey, maybe I'll try out that B-25H!"

Well, in the hanger I see a B-25H sitting there, but nowhere do I get the opportunity to select a weapons load-out that includes a 75mm gun. Just a dozen or so .50 cals.

How do you get to fly the "bad daddy tater thrower?"
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: Ack-Ack on June 16, 2009, 01:01:16 PM
The 75mm is already part of the weapons package and there is no need to select it in the hanger.  Just make sure the secondary weapon is set to the 75mm and press the secondary fire button to fire.


ack-ack
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: AKP on June 16, 2009, 03:54:00 PM
How do you get to fly the "bad daddy tater thrower?"

You mean melon tosser! :rock

And yes... the 75mm is part of the standard gun loadout.
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: Saxman on June 16, 2009, 03:56:41 PM
You mean melon tosser! :rock


I call it the pumpkin chucker. Made it into general slang for a while, but seems to have fallen off within a couple months of the 25H's introduction.
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: lyric1 on June 16, 2009, 06:16:28 PM
Those are jerry rigged field mods.  The H was able to carry HVAR rockets mounted under the wings.


ack-ack
Well no not quite most of the rocket modifications were researched & tested in the States first & then squadrons or individual aircraft were fitted & tested in combat to see what worked.

Also the blister pods on the sides of the B-25C Strafer none of these were done in the factory all were field modifications that was done in Australia. A lot of the H models were initially done in the field as well.  Yet we have them in game now... should they be? I thought that in part the premise of using perk for ords was to take in to consideration field modifications?

Be a shame not to have torpedo's that other model B25's did use/wing mounted bomb racks/rockets/Plus a bunch of other stuff they bolted on.
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: AWwrgwy on June 16, 2009, 08:40:16 PM
Well no not quite most of the rocket modifications were researched & tested in the States first & then squadrons or individual aircraft were fitted & tested in combat to see what worked.

Also the blister pods on the sides of the B-25C Strafer none of these were done in the factory all were field modifications that was done in Australia. A lot of the H models were initially done in the field as well.  Yet we have them in game now... should they be? I thought that in part the premise of using perk for ords was to take in to consideration field modifications?

Be a shame not to have torpedo's that other model B25's did use/wing mounted bomb racks/rockets/Plus a bunch of other stuff they bolted on.


Yes, while they began as field mods, they were put into production and aircraft rolled out of the factory as such.  Figure four or five aircraft were field modded versus the hundreds that were factory built.



OK, newb question here, but seeing this thread the other day I thought "hey, maybe I'll try out that B-25H!"

Well, in the hanger I see a B-25H sitting there, but nowhere do I get the opportunity to select a weapons load-out that includes a 75mm gun. Just a dozen or so .50 cals.

How do you get to fly the "bad daddy tater thrower?"

Select the B-25H instead of looking for a 75mm howitzer in the B-25C selection screen.


wrongway


Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: lyric1 on June 16, 2009, 08:53:56 PM
Yes, while they began as field mods, they were put into production and aircraft rolled out of the factory as such.  Figure four or five aircraft were field modded versus the hundreds that were factory built.

wrongway

I think your numbers are a little off if you are talking about C/D/G's as the pictures in this link will prove. I will have to go back and look at a book I have I think it has numbers on field modifications on the H. Off to work now so I don't have the time. 

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://500thbsq-b25s.com/photosnow/345th%2520b25s%2520mitchells%2520at%25204th%2520air%2520depot.jpg&imgrefurl=http://500thbsq-b25s.com/photosnow/townsville.html&usg=__jBQ-Z2v4Q5hY0lfGHk55_12lX-s=&h=517&w=800&sz=57&hl=en&start=29&um=1&tbnid=0s8XT4H5xkuDMM:&tbnh=92&tbnw=143&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmitchell%2Bb25%2Bmodification%2Bin%2Baustralia%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4ADBR_enUS236US236%26sa%3DN%26start%3D20%26um%3D1
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: Reaper90 on June 17, 2009, 01:47:04 PM
The 75mm is already part of the weapons package and there is no need to select it in the hanger.  Just make sure the secondary weapon is set to the 75mm and press the secondary fire button to fire.


ack-ack

Thanks!

Might do a little melon tossin soon...  :rock
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: AWwrgwy on June 17, 2009, 08:00:15 PM
I think your numbers are a little off if you are talking about C/D/G's as the pictures in this link will prove. I will have to go back and look at a book I have I think it has numbers on field modifications on the H. Off to work now so I don't have the time. 

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://500thbsq-b25s.com/photosnow/345th%2520b25s%2520mitchells%2520at%25204th%2520air%2520depot.jpg&imgrefurl=http://500thbsq-b25s.com/photosnow/townsville.html&usg=__jBQ-Z2v4Q5hY0lfGHk55_12lX-s=&h=517&w=800&sz=57&hl=en&start=29&um=1&tbnid=0s8XT4H5xkuDMM:&tbnh=92&tbnw=143&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmitchell%2Bb25%2Bmodification%2Bin%2Baustralia%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4ADBR_enUS236US236%26sa%3DN%26start%3D20%26um%3D1

Defiantly.  I'm just pulling numbers out of my .... you know.  But as you state, Pappy Gunn modified B-25s in the field and the modifications ended up being produced on the assembly line from the factory.  By your definition there would be no B-25 strafers at all. 

As for the "glass nosed" B-25C strafer, I believe it is more of a visual offering merely for skinning purposes.  B-25C's with strafer setups otherwise being the same.


wrongway
Title: Re: B-25H
Post by: lyric1 on June 17, 2009, 08:48:19 PM
Defiantly.  I'm just pulling numbers out of my .... you know.  But as you state, Pappy Gunn modified B-25s in the field and the modifications ended up being produced on the assembly line from the factory.  By your definition there would be no B-25 strafers at all. 

As for the "glass nosed" B-25C strafer, I believe it is more of a visual offering merely for skinning purposes.  B-25C's with strafer setups otherwise being the same.


wrongway
Well no C/D straffers from the factory pretty sure of that & maybe even G's? H's some are factory no question a lot of pictures I have of them show no blisters pods at all & some of the very same plane with & with out them.
The J model I would say was almost 100% fitted with the blisters at the factory.