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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: CAVPFCDD on January 22, 2009, 04:51:20 PM
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Footage of a FW 190 being discovered in the woods in the Russia.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=066_1232643827
The loss of Fw190 A5/U3 W.Nr 1227.
On Monday 19th July 1943 Fw190 A-5 W.Nr 1227 'White A' went on a mission carrying a SC250 (550Ib) bomb. Taking off from Siwerskaja, on what was probably a hot summer day, 'White A' headed for the Front line which was only fifteen or so minutes flight time away. Crossing the front line over the Dvina River, the Fw190, flying with another crossed it and headed East. Whilst behind enemy lines, in an area called Voibakala, the 'Rotte' attacked an armoured train and reportedly suffered damage from flak. The loss report indicates the Fw190 crash landed due to this damage, although none was located on the airframe. It Fw190 suffered a catastrophic failure of the BMW801, caused by a rag -sabotage is suspeced as it was a new engine was fitted a few days before). The Fw190 was recorded as being 100% lost in the map reference co-ordinates of Pl.Qu.20124. This grid system based on 1:200,000 maps was used to identify crash sites, possibly for salvage, recovery of missing pilots or as the best way of identifying an area consisting of unpronounceable Russian towns, villages and large areas of forests and lakes. The more numbers the Pl.Qu. reference gives, the smaller the area of the location. A key to this 'code', would help identify literally dozens of possible recoveries within Russia!!
The pilot Feldwebel Paul R� survived the crash landed behind enemy lines. He removed his leather flying helmet and retrieved the first air kit from the rear fuselage and is thought to have headed West back to the front line only a dozen or so miles from the crash site. He was undoubtedly captured by the Russians and interned although the Luftwaffe loss report still class him as 'Vermi�' (missing) in action.
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Nice, Remarkable shape for how long its been sitting there. butjudging on how many parts are missing.(Guages) I'd say its being rediscovered LOL
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Nice, Remarkable shape for how long its been sitting there. butjudging on how many parts are missing.(Guages) I'd say its being rediscovered LOL
its the aluminum thats holding up so well, but yeah it appears someone picked at it a bit, but other than that its in great shape
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That is awsom they found that. I dont think they will never get that out of there. Thats all swap land around St Petersburg
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That is an outstanding find there. It looks great for having sat out in the elements for all these years unprotected.
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Great find. How recently did they discover this 190?
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Great find. How recently did they discover this 190?
not sure but judging by the footage it wasn't too recent
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It is a Fw190-A5. Pilot is still listed as MISSING.
"Fw190 A5 White A of 4./JG54
This Focke-wulf 190 was manufactured in April 1943, originally as an A-5 variant and supplied with the full work number 0151227 by the parent factory of Focke-Wulf Flugzeugbau GmbH at Bremen.
THE LOSS OF FW190 A5 W.Nr 1227.
On Monday 19th July 1943 Fw190 A-5 W.Nr 1227 'White A' went on a mission carrying a SC250 (550Ib) bomb. Taking off from Siwerskaja, on what was probably a hot summer day, 'White A' headed for the Front line which was only fifteen or so minutes flight time away. Crossing the front line over the Dvina River, the Fw190, flying with another crossed it and headed East. Whilst behind enemy lines, in an area called Voibakala, the 'Rotte' attacked an armoured train and reportedly suffered damage from flak. The loss report indicates the Fw190 crash landed due to this damage, although none was located on the airframe. It Fw190 suffered a catastrophic failure of the BMW801, caused by a rag -sabotage is suspected as it was a new engine was fitted a few days before. The Fw190 was recorded as being 100% lost in the map reference co-ordinates of Pl.Qu.20124. This grid system based on 1:200,000 maps was used to identify crash sites, possibly for salvage, recovery of missing pilots or as the best way of identifying an area consisting of unpronounceable Russian towns, villages and large areas of forests and lakes. The more numbers the Pl.Qu. reference gives, the smaller the area of the location. A key to this 'code', would help identify literally dozens of possible recoveries within Russia!!
The pilot Feldwebel Paul Rätz survived the crash landed behind enemy lines. He removed his leather flying helmet and retrieved the first air kit from the rear fuselage and is thought to have headed West back to the front line only a dozen or so miles from the crash site. He was undoubtedly captured by the Russians and interned although the Luftwaffe loss report still class him as 'Vermißt' (missing) in action.
Found in silver birch forest 1989. Recovered 1991. Doug/David Arnold and now Paul Allen
Feldwebel Paul Rätz the pilot survived the crash landing but was taken prisoner by the Russians where he was subjected to ten years of hard labour. Herr Rätz was repatriated to Germany during the 1950s but sadly died just before his aircraft was recovered.
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Thanks TwinBoom. Wow, that was a while ago. A shame the pilot passed away before they found his wrecked plane. With luck there are more relatively well preserved gems like this hidden out there.
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i see you didnt read what i had quoted, you posted the same thing lol, but thanks for going a bit further with the facts
Found in silver birch forest 1989. Recovered 1991. Doug/David Arnold and now Paul Allen
now is that paul allen, the paul allen co founder of microsoft?
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i see you didnt read what i had quoted, you posted the same thing lol, but thanks for going a bit further with the facts
now is that paul allen, the paul allen co founder of microsoft?
Yes.
His collection of warbirds is one of the most impressive in the world. The restoration work is first class. That A5 will be incredible.
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Yes.
His collection of warbirds is one of the most impressive in the world. The restoration work is first class. That A5 will be incredible.
maybe he plays ah :lol
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Is he "restoring" these planes to original, flyable, condition, or simply as museum display pieces?
ROX
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Is he "restoring" these planes to original, flyable, condition, or simply as museum display pieces?
ROX
Flying
FHC (http://www.flyingheritage.com/)
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Great find. :aok
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Was weird, was just browsing Youtube and they had the video of this recovery tucked away
with "black" russian archeology and then and now shots of WW2 buildings/Batt;efields.