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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: whels1 on December 22, 2000, 05:28:00 PM
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ok how about this. if u wana perk a F4U Cannon bird, get rid of the F4U-1C and give me a F4U-4C, and have it as the perked F4U.
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Whels
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This F4u whining is pissing me off. The ones who whine about it are the ones who can't fly it!
To make them happy I suggest that it finally get neutered.....replace 2 cannons with 50cal's. We could call it the F4u1w w=whiner.
This would be a possible solution, but I think the whiners would still whine. Hell they say they are quitting and then don't quit why would they stop whining??
And FYI I am not a Chog driver and have NO problem with this plane the way it is.......
[This message has been edited by skernsk (edited 12-22-2000).]
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I think f4u1c might as well be perked, but! just barely. Have it a perk plane that is within reach of most anyone.
Just to shut the whiners up
AKskurj
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I dont want the F4U1-C perked. It has not the performance to be a perk plane.
I want its damned turbolasers fixed, and a fix to those non-E-burning reversals.
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I just wish htc would convert the f4u1c flight model to add an f4u1a.
then AH would have an authentic corsair with a great 3 tone paint job and equal performance to the f4u1c.
make no mistake the f4u1c outperforms the f4u1d and that is what pisses me off about it.
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I'm not so sure this is a whine it sounds logical infact the F4U-4 with 50's would be fine with me.
The F4U-4 flew a large portion of the last year of the war with Imperial Japan and in large enough numbers to warrant a slot here, for the record when the "CHOG" was put in I started flying it over the D because it doesn't have the bright yellow cowl ring yelling hey I'm pointed this way.
I have found quick kill characteristics with the jug, George and the G10 in the first pass kill catagory some of may or may not agree, this is only my take on the issue.
If the cannons stay or go I realy don't care but the difference is really just a matter of time of death and the ammo spent getting it, some pilots just don't like getting hit with hisapanos because it ends the fight to quickly.
Range as HTC has stated is modeled for all rounds as close to realistic as possible and I'm not gona complain about it one way or the other.
They shoot to far, hit too hard, go around corners or what ever is up to the smart guys to figure out but all balastics are in question in that case.
For those who don't like an aspect of the game send email to HTC, some things will never be perfect, we never have any of the problems with any of the flight models in here that were historical like dependability or the real dynamics that kept pilots from doing the wild warp inducing moves I see in here everyday but we constantly hear about the things that some view as a problem because it impeads the way they fly.
On a closing note the hurricanes in north africa shot down alot of 109's and they were using 303's, hell thats a rifle round so if the colective members lobby, hire lawyers, check chad and try and get this thing overturned I will fly something else and learn to love it, I just try and get on when I can, form up with my squadron and run a mission or two not fix all the worlds problems.
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Because there werent many C hogs, I suggest it would be a good perk plane or then DO SOMETHING for those hispanos.
2-4 hit kills averagely are out of mind compared to 3-10 of Mg151/20 / ShVAK.
..with super trajectory advantage.
gets frustrating, even more when theres couple planes with quad hispano armament and are frequently used.
I'd be happy with hurricanes (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Anyone who'd suggest makin' the Hog a perk plane aint never flown one.
Erhm.... ya. That's my little contribution to this thread. Outta here for the Christmas holidays.
Cheers folks! See yas on the high seas. Arrrr Arrr ye Salty Dog!!!
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Everytime i get into it I soon auger it into the ground because i hate it'S smurf ass.
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The 1C could do with a nose stripe - it's pretty damn difficult to tell when it's doing its Flipper impression, all four hispanos spewing into the air...
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Well, I can't possibly see any reason in the CHog's FM that could possibly validate perking it. I mean it has a vicious stall that strikes on very fast and it's performance figures aren't really those of the uberduber class.
IMO the only reason it's so special is due to the 4 hispanos and a big ammo load and I doubt that any plane will be perked because of it's armament alone.
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believe in Gosh too, youŽll be darned to heck."
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F4 1d or 1c = easy kill.
I read these posts and i do not understand the fuss.
Niki's are easy too.
EYE
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Originally posted by Fishu:
Because there werent many C hogs, I suggest it would be a good perk plane or then DO SOMETHING for those hispanos.
2-4 hit kills averagely are out of mind compared to 3-10 of Mg151/20 / ShVAK.
..with super trajectory advantage.
gets frustrating, even more when theres couple planes with quad hispano armament and are frequently used.
I'd be happy with hurricanes (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
A yak took my tail off a chog 2 nights ago, 1 burst headon (how? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/eek.gif) )
A yak killed my JUG no pings (probably pilot kill) from dead 6 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/eek.gif)
Guess its your aim huh? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
AKskurj
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Originally posted by SageFIN:
Well, I can't possibly see any reason in the CHog's FM that could possibly validate perking it. I mean it has a vicious stall that strikes on very fast and it's performance figures aren't really those of the uberduber class.
IMO the only reason it's so special is due to the 4 hispanos and a big ammo load and I doubt that any plane will be perked because of it's armament alone.
If those hispanos doesnt get fine tuned, I'd like to see C hog perked because it wasn't made in that big numbers and to get people change in other planes instead of C hog. (don't you just hate those skilless spray & pray guys?)
Also tank killing in C hog with cannons is out of this world.
Getting rid of C hog really would balance things up a bit.
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Originally posted by Fishu:
If those hispanos doesnt get fine tuned, I'd like to see C hog perked because it wasn't made in that big numbers and to get people change in other planes instead of C hog. (don't you just hate those skilless spray & pray guys?)
Also tank killing in C hog with cannons is out of this world.
Getting rid of C hog really would balance things up a bit.
A better idea is if we got rid of you. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) Whinner spamola par none.
[This message has been edited by Torque (edited 12-23-2000).]
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Just fine tune the hispanos, would be more realistic option and better for the game/community
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Let's perk every plane but the A6M! How's that for compensation?
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Lt. Col. Aaron "txace-" Giles of the 457th BG
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Perk the 1C? Definitely NOT. As RAM quite reasonably says, it doesn't have the performance for perking.
Bring in the F4U-4 or F2G and perk THAT!
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=357th Pony Express=
Aces High Training Corps
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Humm. Well, one could perk all the 4 cannon weapon configurations and bring in a more lightly armed substitute. Such as perking the 4-cannon option for the 190 and leaving the 2 cannon option unperked, bringing in F4U-1A and perking F4U-1C and perking the 109 gondolas and 30mm and whatnot. Sound complicated and hard to implement? That's compromise for you (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif).
Originally posted by Fishu:
(don't you just hate those skilless spray & pray guys?)
Well, perhaps they could get a bit on my nerve... if I didn't remedy every dweeby trick pulled on me with an even more dweeby trick of my own (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif).
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SageFIN
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believe in Gosh too, youŽll be darned to heck."
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Dont Perk anything, just fix it, the hispanos on the c have too concentrated of a fire zone, the tiffe has same armorment with no problems and noone squeakes. I hate it when people would rather add change something thats just fine (having the C) to make up for its hispan accuracy, just fix the damn guns, leave the plane alone, If the arm is broken you dont cut off the head (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by TheWobble:
Dont Perk anything, just fix it, the hispanos on the c have too concentrated of a fire zone, the tiffe has same armorment with no problems and noone squeakes. I hate it when people would rather add change something thats just fine (having the C) to make up for its hispan accuracy, just fix the damn guns, leave the plane alone, If the arm is broken you dont cut off the head (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Any data to prove this Wobble?
Guess not huh
AKskurj
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Originally posted by Fishu:
Just fine tune the hispanos, would be more realistic option and better for the game/community
Hopefully HTC will fine tune security too, get rid of those 2 week charlies this also would be better for the community
[This message has been edited by Torque (edited 12-23-2000).]
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torq how many threads did you post this same silly message in , non sequitor from hell. what no dissenters left to impail on nonsequitor attacks cause the c hogs guns are miss modeled and they dared to point it our so you just spoutin ? lol i love it
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Got any hard Data to backup your claims about Hispano Towd? Lets see it please.
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If you guys would not freeze in mind numbing fear of the awe inspiring presence of not that great of a plane, you might find it's not very difficult to...
- Evade its 12
- Bleed its E
- Pick up what's left at your leisure
..with any plane in this game.
Come on, from the authority you whiners seem to speak from one would think you've at least the basic skills to beat this plane, hell I can with a beer in one hand. If you can't, you can always strap on 30mm and outgun it.
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Originally posted by Fatty:
Come on, from the authority you whiners seem to speak from one would think you've at least the basic skills to beat this plane, hell I can with a beer in one hand. If you can't, you can always strap on 30mm and outgun it.
Fatty don't sell yourself short, Mason told me he saw you with a beer in one hand and a chicken wing in the other while fly'n with your nose hairs to defeat the dreaded beast.
Lack of ACM causes people to whine.
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Originally posted by Torque:
Hopefully HTC will fine tune security too, get rid of those 2 week charlies this also would be better for the community
Be nice torq
I see your hint there, and I can say I haven't played AH since november when I deleted my account.
merry christmas for you.
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posted 07-19-2000 10:44 PM
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Ahm.. wrong Kieren, I am not flying
I quit couple days ago and now I'll just wait them to fix two issues.. then I'd be more forward for paying such amount as required... (if not *there* already)
and nah.. i don't tell my possible alternate nicks. (which i've had two since beta end, one nuther for 1 days use)
So no, I am not flying that much as you think.
Note nicks That makes 3.
Hmmm you tell me Fishu, Like Ronni said "one trail period per customer please"
BTW Merry Xmas. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Looks like someones attitude needs some tlc; Lets give Torque a biiig hug (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Merry Christmas to All!
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yea you want tech data h o a main battle tank and kill it with 20 mm that is your tech data. it happens over and over and it is plain silly (has been mentioned hundreds of times) loopin with spits at 200 kn is another but whos counting, next question ?
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I dont have any "hard" data that the Hispano is less than just , i dont care at all, i havent been killed by a chog since i started the 51, i dont really care about the c-hog at all, but i keep seeing all these complaints about the guns so IF there is a problem with them fix the guns dont screw with the plane if the guns are what everyone has a prob with.
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Do a search Wobble on Hispanos, this horse has been beat'n to death so much it is now glue.
Lack of ACM is the leading cause of Whinage.