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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Deth7 on January 23, 2009, 02:23:08 PM
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Yes I do.....
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um, yes please.
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(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b184/speedy420/the%20interwebs/fry-see-what-you-did-there-scaled.jpg)
But I'm more interested in more developement for the ww2 stuff I think.
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No, I don't.
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It is inevitable I think........no matter what, it would be good for HTC's business and the larger community.
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Yes, but i do prefer WWII.
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The MOTD question infers going backward.
I think what Deth7 is talking about is going forward.
Back in AW...they had both WWI and Korea, as well as all the WWII arenas. Even all those years ago, Korea was far more popular than WWI.
You could fly WWII birds as well as new jets in Korea. MiG vs US jets at 30+K...pretty cool stuff!
WWI got really old really fast.
ROX
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Y E S
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Not so much, I prefer WW2 and WW1.
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I said 'somewhat' to the HTC poll due to the fact that I prefer WWII combat over WWI combat (though I think I would enjoy it) and that a WWI arena would mean production resources being sapped from the WWII arena. However, in the case of a Korean war arena, my answer would be a resounding y-abso-frikkin-lutely NOT.
I would rather a Spanish Civil War planeset before any others :D
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I like the P-82, that's for sure.
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The MOTD question infers going backward.
I think what Deth7 is talking about is going forward.
Back in AW...they had both WWI and Korea, as well as all the WWII arenas. Even all those years ago, Korea was far more popular than WWI.
You could fly WWII birds as well as new jets in Korea. MiG vs US jets at 30+K...pretty cool stuff!
WWI got really old really fast.
ROX
Wow. This is really odd. An entire post by ROX and I can't find anything I disagree with :)
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Wow. This is really odd. An entire post by ROX and I can't find anything I disagree with :)
Look out ROX! Someone's got a man-crush. :uhoh
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Found it to be pretty boring in AW. WWI was also. WW2 seemed to be juuuuuuust right. :)
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Why not Korea ? Would add 46 AC that everyone loves + mig 15 and teh F-86. :O
:noid
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Yes I do.....
Me too, talk about fast thinking. Love it,...but as with AW, neither Korea nor WWI got much use. I think this would go over more with the masses then WWI.....IMO.
Animl
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(Jeesh) :lol
At least he was on topic, and didn't drag it off topic like some folks do so he gets a :salute Murdr
Back to topic: It would be sad to see HTC make the same mistakes some other WWII flight sim games did. WWI might be great, but it would mainly appeal to newer players. Folks who have played/flown for awhile might like to "graduate" to the next level, sequentially.
ROX
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I <3 Korea.
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Dont make the same mistake WB's made please
I vote no for Korea and WWI game/arena (not that i have a vote)
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Look out ROX! Someone's got a man-crush. :uhoh
Look out! Someones being a total retard.
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hehehe
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Look out! Someones being a total retard.
I was making (an attempt at) a joke as it's obvious you and ROX don't see eye to eye.
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My vote....like it matters.... is no way!. WWI I can live with because it still in close fighting and the ranges are close enough that you can "see" the targets. We start moving more towards jets and thats all your going to see flying. Then the "I want missiles" start coming in, then the next thing you know your playing "Lock-on". Screw that!
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Nope.
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its another option. its not like anyone would be forced to do it. they aren't taking away WWII arenas.
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There was plenty of up close and personal dog fighting in AW Korea and NO missiles :rolleyes:
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Like in the WW1 thread...NO.. I'm a WW2 dweeb
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LOL boy. After flying lockon on my break here for a couple of years I can only imagin the tards that a Jet sim here would bring. Sure i'd be cool but I always loved HTC for their expertise in all aspects of WW2. So i'd have to say no, not for them.
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Hell no. WWI is ok, WWII is great, Korea is horrible. Speeds are too slow in WWI and way, way, way too fast in Korea.
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Hell no. WWI is ok, WWII is great, Korea is horrible. Speeds are too slow in WWI and way, way, way too fast in Korea.
The planes have air brakes.
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Breaks r for (*&^%$
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The planes have air brakes.
That does not help at all when the target is also going 650mph.
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Nope. Jets suck....and bang...and blow......... :D
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So instead of getting HO'd by nikis we can get HO'd by mig-15s
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theres always WoW
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My vote....like it matters.... is no way!. WWI I can live with because it still in close fighting and the ranges are close enough that you can "see" the targets. We start moving more towards jets and thats all your going to see flying. Then the "I want missiles" start coming in, then the next thing you know your playing "Lock-on". Screw that!
fox 3! :rofl splash 2 :D
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That does not help at all when the target is also going 650mph.
A plane traveling 600 will turn sharper than a plane going 650.
Btw, in AW3 I don't recall them going THAT fast, but maybe at compressed dive speed.
Korea is fun as heck.
My vote....like it matters.... is no way!. WWI I can live with because it still in close fighting and the ranges are close enough that you can "see" the targets. We start moving more towards jets and thats all your going to see flying. Then the "I want missiles" start coming in, then the next thing you know your playing "Lock-on". Screw that!
In AW3, Korea always had like 15-30 people in it. It never competed with WW2 but it was a very fun addition to the arena list. The WW2 arenas were always absolutely packed so I don't think the 'zomg i want to fly jets' crowd would really have a large enough following to impact the WW2 arenas.
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The problem with Korea in AW was that the G's weren't modeled correctly. Also, there were only two jets so the selection was limited. It was always one jet or the other.
But if the Cougar and Panther were brought in; and the Skyraider; and the Gloster Meteor; and the Twin Mustang; and the Sea Fury; and the P-80/F-80 Shooting Star; and the B-29 ... now you're talking a pretty sizable plane selection that makes things interesting.
And on the ground war side you'd have the Type 58 vs. the M24 Chaffee, M4 Sherman, Centurion, Pershing, and Patton tanks.
I'd rather see Korea than WW1.
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That does not help at all when the target is also going 650mph.
How about 550mph? Nothing in Korea went 650 that wasn't a lawn dart.
I always liked killing jets with props in AW Korea. Gimme a SPAD, WW I or Korea.
wrongway
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Nope.
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Nothing in Korea went 650 that wasn't a lawn dart.
Not true.
"Although the Sabre was strictly a subsonic aircraft, low-supersonic speeds could be achieved in a shallow dive. Flight through Mach 1.0 first took place on April 26, 1948.
The Sabre was delivered to the Air Force in 1948. The first production model flew on May 20, 1948, and on September 15, 1948, an F-86A set a new world speed record of 670.9 mph. Originally designated as the F-86A, the Sabre would undergo a number of changes resulting in a variety of model designations."
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-86.htm (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-86.htm)
Me 262 looses it's control authority due to compression a bit above 650mph TAS in AH IIRC.
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Not true.
"Although the Sabre was strictly a subsonic aircraft, low-supersonic speeds could be achieved in a shallow dive. Flight through Mach 1.0 first took place on April 26, 1948.
The Sabre was delivered to the Air Force in 1948. The first production model flew on May 20, 1948, and on September 15, 1948, an F-86A set a new world speed record of 670.9 mph. Originally designated as the F-86A, the Sabre would undergo a number of changes resulting in a variety of model designations."
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-86.htm (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f-86.htm)
Me 262 looses it's control authority due to compression a bit above 650mph TAS in AH IIRC.
Are we talking cruise speed here or dive speed? I'm interested in level cruise speed
Reread, I guess that's a shallow dive speed. What about just level cruise?
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2 weeks ? :huh
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Reread, I guess that's a shallow dive speed. What about just level cruise?
World speed records aren't flown in a dive.
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I wish this was a Saber (http://img433.imageshack.us/img433/5180/tomcat9kv.gif) :pray :rock :salute
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no
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Look out! Someones being a total retard.
durrr? :P
+1 on Korea!
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Yes
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No.
I liked AW WWI some, WWII a lot, and Korea not at all. Too fast. Everything degenerated into long range head on jousting. Your target was a dot, a split second later it was a plane, and a split second later a dot again.
I did, however, enjoy shooting down an F86 with my Spit IX after he misjudged my energy state. (WWI, WWII, and Korea were all part of one map and people learned they could fly their F86 from the Korean War period back in time to WWII. I'm not sure they had enough fuel to make it back to WWI.)
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Just say no to the Korean War. It's still on so the mig15 vs F15 would get boring ;)
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can you say (http://www.strategic-air-command.com/aircraft/fighter/images/f-82_twin_mustang.jpg)
and this (http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircraft/AirShows/Chino2004/Sampler/Ad4Skyraider.jpg)
I say yes to Korea (http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircraft/AirShows/Chino2008/Highlights/F86Mig08.jpg)
Some great hi-res photos of Chino here 2004 with 06 08 links at bottom http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircraft/AirShows/Chino2004/Sampler/index.html (http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircraft/AirShows/Chino2004/Sampler/index.html)
:rock
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Don't forget the FJ Fury.
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Just say no to the Korean War. It's still on so the mig15 vs F15 would get boring ;)
F-86 Sabre,... and they are a blast. Faster thinking, much wider playing field, steady hands.
Personally though, I love Korea era jets, but if it comes down between updating the main game or adding a different era of war, I'd rather see them get a little further ahead in the main game first. I wouldn't add it thinking it will change much in the game as these seem to be secondary personal preference items....to prop pile-its >>>>IMO.
IMO, someone who is really into to jets they are most likely to be found in another game that does that full tilt with modern models as well. So I don't think it will be a draw to the game for new players. And I don't think existing players are going to see it as a lasting major change.. but hey I could be completely wrong.
I think that concept works the same way for prop lovers. If you want a prop plane you probably will most often fly the better performing WWII models a majority of the time,...then WWI.
Both Korea and WWI are great fun, but IMO the mindsets work against the middle more preferred era. If it were me ( and you all thank cod it's not) I would add something like that when I have a month of pretty much nothing else to do. That said if it's not a big time consuming deal, then give it ALL to us.... :D
Animl
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The hitch with adding the Korean war might be things that are quite outside of what HTC has done before. Radar and radar-ranging gunsights spring to mind.
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F-86 Sabre,... and they are a blast. Faster thinking, much wider playing field, steady hands.
Personally though, I love Korea era jets, but if it comes down between updating the main game or adding a different era of war, I'd rather see them get a little further ahead in the main game first. I wouldn't add it thinking it will change much in the game as these seem to be secondary personal preference items....to prop pile-its >>>>IMO.
IMO, someone who is really into to jets they are most likely to be found in another game that does that full tilt with modern models as well. So I don't think it will be a draw to the game for new players. And I don't think existing players are going to see it as a lasting major change.. but hey I could be completely wrong.
I think that concept works the same way for prop lovers. If you want a prop plane you probably will most often fly the better performing WWII models a majority of the time,...then WWI.
Both Korea and WWI are great fun, but IMO the mindsets work against the middle more preferred era. If it were me ( and you all thank cod it's not) I would add something like that when I have a month of pretty much nothing else to do. That said if it's not a big time consuming deal, then give it ALL to us.... :D
Animl
I said Mig15 vs F15, not sabre ;)
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Forgive me as I just skimmed through the entire thread and saw nothing about progressively perking all the jets and the ultimate high-end prop rides like the F82, etc. Obviously the highest perked aircraft would be F86's and Mig15's.. Contrary to popular belief, neither of these aircraft were plentiful during the Korean conflict.. One MAY think about ho-ing in a Mig15...But probably wouldn't even consider it in an F86.. Either way, I'd see them perked something like the 262.. This will make just about everyone reconsider taking a head-on pass or head-on shot..
They would definitely have to consider some type of "g-suit" or something because turning at the higher speeds(even with the prop rides) involved will obviously apply more of Newton's law to the virtual pilot..
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The hitch with adding the Korean war might be things that are quite outside of what HTC has done before. Radar and radar-ranging gunsights spring to mind.
A radar ranging gunsight doesn't need to be added (however it would be easy since there's already a lead computing gunsight in the TA).
There's no lead computing gunsight in the MA.. Hence, there's no need for it in a hypothetical Korean Conflict arena.. Gunnery would be done just the same, with practice..
As far as airborne radar, there'd be no need for that either as dedicated fighters did not have radar at that time..
Jets like the F3D Skynight had radar, but they're role was mainly as a night-fighter/night attack aircraft and the range wasn't really that much.. You'd probably see something on the horizon(in daylight) about the same time it would show up on your radar... Not sure how useful it'd be in an arena that is daylight (for the most part) all the time..
Also, we already have ground based radar...
None of this stuff is outside of what HTC has already done....
The only thing truly different about the Korean Conflict in the air is that planes were faster (for the most part)..
It was all still pretty much WWII technology.. There would be no major hurdles for HTC to do this..
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Those p-51 jocks were always jealous of the p38's weren't they! They even made a mashup!
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Why add a new arena of runners, when 4 of them exist already?
No thanks.