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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: james on January 23, 2009, 03:54:53 PM
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Haven't changed stick settings, haven't really changed playing style. Tried the search button. Ripping wings off the pony alot the last couple of days. Has there been a change to some tolerances or something? Seems a bit weird but I have had 3 sorties end with the wings off lol. Not complaining just wanted to know if some new flight or damage modeling had occurred.
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No.
For changes on damage model or such things, there would have been a new version to download.
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I've never ripped the wings off of a P-51. For that matter, the only American fighter that I've ever over-stressed is the F6F.
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ok just checking thanks guys
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Haven't changed stick settings, haven't really changed playing style. Tried the search button. Ripping wings off the pony alot the last couple of days. Has there been a change to some tolerances or something? Seems a bit weird but I have had 3 sorties end with the wings off lol. Not complaining just wanted to know if some new flight or damage modeling had occurred.
it's probably just that guy right behind ya. :devil
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double check to make sure you don't have bombs hanging off the wings. You forget you made that one run with bombs for that GV that one time.... hey, it happens. :D
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I've never ripped the wings off of a P-51. For that matter, the only American fighter that I've ever over-stressed is the F6F.
Has happened to me from time to time even in what I would consider a non violent move to the plane with no hits from other planes.
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double check to make sure you don't have bombs hanging off the wings. You forget you made that one run with bombs for that GV that one time.... hey, it happens. :D
i tend to do that in A-20s all the time. I forget to drop the wing bombs first and then when I go to pull up the wings continue straight while the fuselage pulls up.
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i tend to do that in A-20s all the time. I forget to drop the wing bombs first and then when I go to pull up the wings continue straight while the fuselage pulls up.
How in the Hell does the fuselage pull up without the wings? :huh
Sorry to comment on an aging thread, but having ords mounted on the wings, instead of on the centerline, decreases wing root bending. (for given speed, weight, yada yada ...) If this is happening consistently, then HTC needs to correct it.
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How in the Hell does the fuselage pull up without the wings? :huh
Sorry to comment on an aging thread, but having ords mounted on the wings, instead of on the centerline, decreases wing root bending. (for given speed, weight, yada yada ...) If this is happening consistently, then HTC needs to correct it.
I don't mean it literally. I mean if I have bombs on the wings and try to pull up out of a divebombing approach the nose starts to pull up and then the wings snap off. I only happens when I have wing bombs still attached to the plane (4 to be exact).
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The wings will rip off on a pony when in a steep dive and suddenly yank back on the stick. Having DTs on and doing any sudden high speed moves will do it too. The B pony seems to be more prone to it. :salute
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How in the Hell does the fuselage pull up without the wings? :huh
Sorry to comment on an aging thread, but having ords mounted on the wings, instead of on the centerline, decreases wing root bending. (for given speed, weight, yada yada ...) If this is happening consistently, then HTC needs to correct it.
but would it not possibly overload the wings? now you have weight hanging out there, that wants to continue straight ahead, while your elevator is trying to bring the nose up.
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ok just checking thanks guys
Have you changed your fuel load out?
I sometimes suffer from what I call "Random pony wing rip". It may not be random at all but it seems sort of arbitrary sometimes.
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Have you changed your fuel load out?
I sometimes suffer from what I call "Random pony wing rip". It may not be random at all but it seems sort of arbitrary sometimes.
you seem to be a pony nut........
i thought i had read in a p51 flight manual a looooonnng time ago, that the pony could not fight with bombs or tanks on the wings? and also with the fuselage tank full it couldn't fight?
only asking......
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you seem to be a pony nut........
i thought i had read in a p51 flight manual a looooonnng time ago, that the pony could not fight with bombs or tanks on the wings? and also with the fuselage tank full it couldn't fight?
only asking......
As far as the game goes, the 51 is really out of whack with fuel in the aux tank, you are right. It is pretty mushy and heavy feeling with ord/tanks on wing mounts and I imagine it really does rip wings easier under these circumstances. I don't fight with either under the wings but have seen it in the arenas plenty of times.
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As far as the game goes, the 51 is really out of whack with fuel in the aux tank, you are right. It is pretty mushy and heavy feeling with ord/tanks on wing mounts and I imagine it really does rip wings easier under these circumstances. I don't fight with either under the wings but have seen it in the arenas plenty of times.
thats what i thought. i wasn't trying to compare the real one to the game one. i just got to thinking about that as i was reading this thread.....
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I did it yesterday for the 1st time in a b-pony. :(
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but would it not possibly overload the wings? now you have weight hanging out there, that wants to continue straight ahead, while your elevator is trying to bring the nose up.
No. What typically breaks wings is excessive bending at the wing root. Wing mounted stores (as opposed to fuselage mounted stores of the same weight) produce less bending (*in flight). Think of it this way, if the weight of the bomb is aligned closely with the resultant lift vector of the wing, then there's far less bending in the wing structure than if the bomb were mounted under the fuselage.
Here's a simple, cheesy example: take a yard stick and hold it in the middle, flat-side down. Now slide a small barbell weight to the center of the yard stick where your hand is. Let's say the yard stick is your left wing and the weight is your bomb. Your hand is the "lift" from that wing (we're ignoring the fuselage in this example). Your resultant lift vector (hand) for that wing is aligned with the bomb (barbell weight), so even if you pull some "g's" (give it a good yank upward) the "bomb" isn't producing any bending in the "wing" at all.
Now, keep holding the yard stick in the same spot, but start sliding the weight to the right (i.e. closer to the centerline of our pretend airplane). Now we're starting to introduce a bending moment into our yardstick "wing", and the further you move it, the higher the bending stresses in the wing get (I guarantee your yard stick is not happy about this :uhoh, and would probably break if you gave it a similar yank as before). This is what centerline or fuselage-mounted stores do to the wing.
Again, this is grossly simplified, but I believe it still illustrates the behavior.
It is possible to overload the bomb rack and the local attachment structure though. This is why rolling pullouts are often critical design conditions for planes with wing mounted stores. The combination of loads normal to the wing due to pitch up and rolling, as well as any lateral (centrifugal) load on the store is sometimes enough to break rack attachment points, sway braces, or the rack itself. A good designer will insure that the underlying wing structure is stronger than the rack attachment joint so that the store or store/rack combination breaks away before the wing itself is severely damaged.
For anyone who's interested, here's the MIL Standard which I'm familiar with which covers this kind of thing.
http://www.dtbtest.com/PDFs/MIL-STD-8591.pdf
* I said in flight because wing mounted stores can easily produce big bending loads in the wing during hard landings, but in that case it's a function of how far the store (bomb or fuel tank) is from the landing gear. An airplane with wingtip mounted stores (like the old F-89D with it's big-ass missile pods) would probably be susceptible to this kind of failure.
<End of long-winded dissertation :salute>
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Haven't changed stick settings, haven't really changed playing style. Tried the search button. Ripping wings off the pony alot the last couple of days. Has there been a change to some tolerances or something? Seems a bit weird but I have had 3 sorties end with the wings off lol. Not complaining just wanted to know if some new flight or damage modeling had occurred.
Try recalibrating your stick, that might help? Also, if the potentiometers are starting to spike, you might want to add a little damping.
Camo