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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Delirium on January 24, 2009, 01:07:46 AM
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I'm looking for a widescreen monitor for my new system. My ideal was the Viewsonic vx2660, 2 ms with a resolution of 1920x1080, brightness 300 for $209.
Is the 2ms really much better than 5ms? Is it worth going for the 1920x1080 resolution instead of 1680x1050?
Can someone recommend a monitor?
Thanks in advance!
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I take it your looking at an open box purchase? At that price why not? Thats a great monitor.
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No, it wasn't an open box, amazingly. The problem is they are no longer in stock and I was hoping to have a monitor for the new system. My old one is going to my wife and daughter...
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More pixels in the same space will make for a much sharper image and yes, 2ms is better than 5ms (minimum recommended for a gaming monitor). Also make sure contrast is greater than 1000 (10,000+ dynamic).
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1920x1200 is as good as it gets without spending a grand or more but I think the even higher res monitors are more for graphics applications and not gaming. The one you mention is not unlike what I am using. The smaller dot pitch helps too. The monitor I got with my first computer had terrible image shearing even though it had high resolution because of the dot pitch. I think the 28" monitors mostly have that problem but the one you mentioned looks good.
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The one I mentioned isn't in stock anywhere, I'm looking for recommendations for something instead of the one I had in mind.
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I use an Acer 24inch. I run it at 1920x1200. It seems fine to me. However I'm no expert. When I purchased the monitor it was like $100 cheaper than the other 24 inch monitors and it had great reviews. I've had it about 9 months now and am still quite happy. I think I have one dead pixel but it doesn't seem to be in the way since it is low left.
From what I understand Samsung and viewsonic are some of the better units.
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i bought a samsung t220 just after xmas and i love it. recomended it to a squaddie who also bought 1 and he loves it as well.
Screen Size : 22" wide
Resolution : 1680 x 1050 (WSXGA+)
Contrast Ratio : DC 20,000:1 (1000:1) (Typ.)
Response time : 2 ms (GTG)
http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/detail/detail.do?group=computersperipherals&type=monitors&subtype=lcd&model_cd=LS22TWHSUV/ZA (http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/detail/detail.do?group=computersperipherals&type=monitors&subtype=lcd&model_cd=LS22TWHSUV/ZA)
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I have ACER 22" monitirs and like them.
http://microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0294222 (http://microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0294222)
http://microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0277268 (http://microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0277268)
http://microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0293388 (http://microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0293388)
My buc 22 cents input
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Just purchased a Gateway 24' widescreen from Best Buy. I have no idea who manufactures for Gateway.
After using it, I wonder why I've waited so long to go widescreen. I still have the 22" Sony CRT.
Del....the gateway has the ability to run 2ms and/or 5ms response times. You have your choice. You can go from one to the other within a menu.
It has 3 options for hookup. VGA, DVI, and HDMI. It is HD1080p.
Desktop I am running 1920 X1200 and the icons are the same size as 1280X1024, maybe a tad larger.
In game i'm running the max 1600 X12?? and it is gorgeous. Cost was ~ 420 dollars. Refresh rate is 60, and I hold a steady 60.
Well worth it.
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I've got an LG 22" and it's great. I've been looking at an Acer 24".
Stick with a major brand; LG, Acer, Samsung, Viewsonic, etc.
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Open Box discount so you may need cables too.
ViewSonic X Series VX2260wm Black 21.5":
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824116400R
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The last two I've gotten are LG's. My wife now has my 19 inch, and I have This One (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0017SDMGI/interactiveda8749-20#moreAboutThisProduct). Very happy with it. I found it on sale for $209 when I got it.
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The one thing I have always found surprising ( not ) is how people seem to always post something like .go with name brands!
The manufactuers make LCD(s) and or CRT type monitors then distribute them out to Vendors
EXAMPLE: Manufacturer's
Sony/Samsung/Panasonic/Phillips/HPC Technology Int'l Ltd/Shenzhen KTC Computer Technology Co Ltd/etc etc etc
EXAMPLE: Vendors & Distributors
NEC/Dell/Sony/LG/AOC/Hanns-G/Sceptre/ASUS/Hewlett-Packard/Gateway/BenQ/Compaq/Acer/etc etc etc etc
I in the past have experienced the above several times
I had a Hewlett-Packard Monitor and once the housing/cover was removed I was astonished to find out it was infact a Sony IT Professional grade 21" CRT
then I had a NEC 21" and found the same scenario, I was infact the owner of a Sony IT Pro 21" Monitor that was packaged and rebadged as a NEC Monitor ( this is going from my terrible memory, think it was a NEC branded Monitor )
so when people say buy name brand Monitors, what are you really buying? to me you just buying a more expensive NAME.....and sometimes a better warranty, but not much more..... the internals are most times the same as the name brands except buying the off brand saves you some money......
Food For Thought......
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I should add to my above post, that with the move toward almost all LCD/Plasma type monitors & Televisions there has been a flood of new Manufacturers and Brands which are not "Rebadged" components as I posted in the above reply.
but to add, there is still alot of Name Brands that are well known which is still a Repackaged/Branded Component ( just for clarification purposes )
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Of course what you say is true. I have a Dell 17" CRT (no longer in use) that's actually a Sony Trinitron.
Funny that you mentioned Samsung as a manufacturer. Samsung designs their panals but outsouce the actual manufacturing of them. They have had some bad raps at times due to their manufacturing partner choices and it's not uncommon to find two, three or more manufacturer's panals in the same model of Samsung monitor.
Regardless of all of this, each marketer attempts to gain a market niche, whether it be high end, value or low price to build their brand around. Over time the cream rises to the top as some marketers in each category consistently choose better partners than others. I'm only suggesting sticking to the cream and leaving the milk behind.
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Of course what you say is true. I have a Dell 17" CRT (no longer in use) that's actually a Sony Trinitron.
Funny that you mentioned Samsung as a manufacturer. Samsung designs their panals but outsouce the actual manufacturing of them. They have had some bad raps at times due to their manufacturing partner choices and it's not uncommon to find two, three or more manufacturer's panals in the same model of Samsung monitor.
Regardless of all of this, each marketer attempts to gain a market niche, whether it be high end, value or low price to build their brand around. Over time the cream rises to the top as some marketers in each category consistently choose better partners than others. I'm only suggesting sticking to the cream and leaving the milk behind.
yes is why I threw out examples, was just an adhoc reference for I did not want to or take the time to go through and dig up information on every individual company. I am sure alot of manufacturer's "out source" alot of their workload to different processing plants and then builds the componets together into a finished product....
my bad on the Samsung thing and for not mentioning about the out sourcing of manufacturing of the different components.
I have a good example of buying the Lady an Openbox Sceptre 19" LCD monitor..it cost $179.00 3+ years ago on newegg..it outperforms my Dell UltraSharp 19" LCD monitor that at the same time cost nearly $499 three years ago.....
with this I say. don't knock the off brands there are bargains and good performance to be found here........if you forgo buying NAME BRANDS on some items
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Okay, would you gents recommend getting the biggest resolution I can find (1920x1080) or something a bit smaller?
I may not run at the bigger resolution now, but I think in the long run it may be nice to have. What do you gents think?
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What is your graphics card again?
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Okay, would you gents recommend getting the biggest resolution I can find (1920x1080) or something a bit smaller?
I may not run at the bigger resolution now, but I think in the long run it may be nice to have. What do you gents think?
Get the most pixels you can for the specific monitor size but make sure your video card can push them because LCD's are best run at their native resolutions.
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1920x???? resolutions or higher will demand at least a medium level graphics card (ATI4870, Nvidia260,280) to run games smoothly.
Remember that the higher the resolution the more oomph is needed from your computer. Running LCD's on lower than native resolutions kinda negate the point of getting a new monitor - the picture will be crappy.
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to the point TequilaChaser made.
personal i dont care on the make. what i do is find a product that sounds good then spend a few days at least searching google for reviews on the product.
originally i was going to get a viewsonic monitor till i noticed that the place i was going to buy it from had a deal on samsung monitors so i researched them as well.
the price for the 24" was withen my budget so i read up on it and found it was 5ms but the 22" was 2ms. about a week later after reading god knows how many reviews
i decided to get the samsung T220 as 95% of the reviews were good and the negative points i could live with.
basically my advice is spend a few days looking for reviews (not reviews by company's but user reviews).
the way i do it is using google and the search string would be +"samsung t220" +review
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1920x???? resolutions or higher will demand at least a medium level graphics card (ATI4870, Nvidia260,280) to run games smoothly.
Remember that the higher the resolution the more oomph is needed from your computer. Running LCD's on lower than native resolutions kinda negate the point of getting a new monitor - the picture will be crappy.
Not true. 8800s even a single one can easily handle FSAA at 16x and 1920x1200 res. In fact when I used it with FSX the fps went up moving from 1280x1024 to 1920x1200 and on a single card not even SLI. In a lot of way AHII uses more of your hardware then even FSX so it might be different depending on cpu etc (YMMV) but in my case at least it was all good.
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Not true. 8800s even a single one can easily handle FSAA at 16x and 1920x1200 res. In fact when I used it with FSX the fps went up moving from 1280x1024 to 1920x1200 and on a single card not even SLI. In a lot of way AHII uses more of your hardware then even FSX so it might be different depending on cpu etc (YMMV) but in my case at least it was all good.
This makes no sense at all. Check out benchmarks charts, such as Tomshardware where they'll compare a card in a game vs several quality (AA, AF, and resolution), I'd say a good 95% of the time (with the 5% being 1024x768 vs 1280x1024), the higher resolution will post lower FPS. The reason for the 5% could be driver related or game related.
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Tomshardware is where I learned this. A post there suggested the newer cards (post-7950) were designed not for standard resolutions of 640x 800x 1024x 1280x but instead were optimized for widescreen high resolutions and would be choked at the lesser resolutions. Appears to be true considering what I have experienced.
Here are some general guidelines from my experience with Intel E8400 cpu and above:
17" and 19" (1280x1024, 1440x900) - Radeon HD3850 or 7950/7900
Up to 22" (1680x1050, 1600x1200) - GeForce 9600GT or Radeon HD3870 (or 3850)
Up to 24" (1920x1200, 1920x1440) - GeForce 8800GTS 512MB (or 8800 GT)
30" monitors (2560x1600) - 2X (SLI) GeForce 8800GT or GTS (512MB) or the new Radeon HD4870 X2 maybe
The 4870(x2) and 280 cards are overkill except in the case of the 4870 and FSX where the performance is less then that of the 8800 GT (there is something that doesnt make sense). Before you ask yes the 8800GT performs better at the higher resolutions (2560x) then the GTS but I was never able to try the GTX or Ultra.
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1920x???? resolutions or higher will demand at least a medium level graphics card (ATI4870, Nvidia260,280) to run games smoothly.
It will be a 260 vid card.
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1920x???? resolutions or higher will demand at least a medium level graphics card (ATI4870, Nvidia260,280) to run games smoothly.
It will be a 260 vid card.
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It's true that a 8800 can run most games fine at 1920x but it's getting old fast and will be outdated soon.
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I can atest to the comment about using a higher resolution helped and improved my FPS in game significantly, refering to here in Aces High II
I was using 1024 x 768 Screen Rez and using the 1024 High Res Texture pack
I wanted to see how big a hit I would take bumping to 1280 x 1024 and actually saw a significant improvement in game play and FPS overall
YMMV
I 1st learned about this improvement using a Ati 9800 Pro 128 meg AGP slot vid card
then it still showed improvement when I went to an Ati 800/850 256 meg AGP card
and now with my New AMD 6400 X2 and ASUS EAH3870 512 meg PCIe video card
all show a better performance using 1280 x 1024 and High res Texture package vs using 1024 x 768 and High rez pack
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I run the game at 1920 x 1200 using an ATI Radeon 3850 OC. It seems to do the job.
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What people should remember is that when shopping for hardware usually also other games than AH should be considered.
What runs AH may not run Crysis.
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I am using Crossfire and dual ATI 4850s. FR of my 24" LCD is a solid 60 which matches the refresh of my monitor.
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Del.....take a look at these. The Gateway I purchased has HDMI, DVI and VGA it's HD 1080p and a setable response time 2ms/5ms I flew with the 5ms response time and had no issues.
As a matter of fact I didn't know that I was set at 5ms until I read the instructions :eek: I'm running crossfire 4850s and AH never looked so good. (Still have the 22in. Sony CRT)
Specs.
size- 24 in diagonal
resolution-1920X1200
Pixel Pitch-0.0106 X0.0106 (0.270mm X 0.270cm)
Aspect ratio-16:10
Brightness-400cd/m2
Contrast ratio- Ultra contrast disabled 1000:1 (typical)
Ultra contrast Enabled: 2000:1
Viewing angles- 160 deg. horizontal and vertical
Response times - UltraResponse Enabled : 2ms
UltraResponse Disable: 5ms (typical)
Frequency- Horizontal 74Khz
Vertical 60Khz
Lamp Life 30,000 hours minimum
Colors: 16.7 million
Connections and inputs-Analog (VGA)
Digital (DVI D) supports 480i 480p 729p and 1080i and 1080P includes HDCP
HDMI supports 480i 480g 720p 1080i and 1080p
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http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=pcat17080&type=page&qp=crootcategoryid%23%23-1%23%23-1~~q70726f63657373696e6774696d653a3e313930302d30312d3031~~cabcat0500000%23%230%23%2311a~~cabcat0509000%23%230%23%2314~~nf398%7C%7C47617465776179&list=y&nrp=15&sc=abComputerSP&sp=%2Bbrand+skuid&usc=abcat0500000
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I just went through the process of buying a new LCD about 4 months ago and settled on this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824014173 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824014173)
It was out of stock but they show available now.
I did quite a bit of research and found the Anandtech forums to be the best overall source of info. They have a great write up on monitors including recommendations:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=31&threadid=2049206&enterthread=y (http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=31&threadid=2049206&enterthread=y)
I looked at the Gateway 24 and even purchased one - it went back three days later. Not that is was "bad" but for the money it wasn't that good. The Benq looks better than the Gateway and is cheaper. It has the HDMI and DVI inputs which you want. I am running it with an Ati 4850 and Aces High looks ABSOLUTELY FANTASTIC. Highly recommended.