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Special Events Forums => Friday Squad Operations => Topic started by: Squire on January 24, 2009, 03:52:16 AM
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Allied:
Single Engined AC Destroyed- 152 for 304pts
Twin Engined Bombers Destroyed (all Ki-67s)- 26 for 130pts
*Air Total- 178 kills for 434pts*
Ground Targets- 137pts
Ships- 75pts
TOTAL- 646pts
Axis:
Single Engined AC Destroyed- 178 for 356 pts
Twin Engined Bombers Destroyed (all B-25s)- 27 for 135pts
Four Engined Bombers Destroyed (all B-24s)- 10 for 100pts
*Air Total- 215 kills for 591pts*
Ground Targets- 344pts
Ships- 235pts
TOTAL- 1170 pts
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See we told you Warloc, the Allies are going to walk right over the IJN.
You should have checked the speed charts?
;)
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(http://www.danielsjourney.com/blog/files/2007/12/fry-see-what-you-did-there-scaled.jpg)
:rofl
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The P-40E is a dog. I think I prefer the P-39D. :rofl
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I think this setup is great for representing the US vs Japan while both sides still had teeth.
It's a very competitive setup. Nice job Warloc.
<S>
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Other then the fact we keep getting our butts kicked this is one of the best events in FSO. WTG Warloc :aok
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Other then the fact we keep getting our butts kicked this is one of the best events in FSO. WTG Warloc :aok
Warloc loves these things. It is always a pleasure flying with him and the 880.
Great job Warloc! :salute
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A few things need to be tweaked, and I would have had the split closer, but we are always looking for ways to improve, in any case im glad its been fun. Frame 3 will have a few new wrinkles to wrap it up.
The score thing as I have said before is something we do, but I hope nobody lets a point difference dampen the fun of the fights, some frames just end up having a wide spread. <S> to both CiCs as this was their first shot at doing that. The #1 thing is to have a good immersive night of WW2 flying.
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As a first time CiC for Axis I didn't fly because I just figured my plans would goto hell in a handbasket. I jumped into a few bombers to get a birdseye view of the action between field hopping. Even though I saw a large attrition rate of my defensive fighters and my sweepers I was amazed that almost all of my Ki-67 groups made it to target with almost no resistance. Seems some of my bomber guys had trouble hitting those pesky DDs though. :salute to the Allied pig dogs and my glorious IJN and IJAAF pilots. The Emperor was pleased.
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Great Job Becinhu. When we have CiC duty we alway have one person assigned to stay on the ground and direct the battle. :salute
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i was stressed leading up to it, but I didn't want it to end because I was REALLY enjoying myself. I was very happy that I guessed right on what group of planes would hit a19 and from the correct direction. It also helped that the B-24 pilots had a very hard time putting bombs on target. I think I saw at least 4 sticks of bombs hit the ord bunker next to the offset fighter hanger.
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Most of this I have already mentioned... but I might as well say it again. :)
The thing that cant (or wont because of refusal) be modeled is SOP for each side. What were the typical patrol alts of the Japanese at that point in the war? Not 20k plus, that I know. What was the typical bombing alts for B24's and B25's in that theater in late '43 (it was higher than 15k for B24's and lower for B25's)? Why are ALL forces in the air at all times 'cept for a re-fuel/re-arm? If the scenario is open for two hours then why the rush and why are most of the major combat ops over within the first 30 min (USE the full 2 hours and the "buffs must drop ord in the first hour" rule is quite limiting and not needed, imo). Why does every aircraft launch at the same time? What were the air raid warning systems like in the PTO at that time? Should the bases be flashing at all (make bases have their own scouts/defense)?
Point is, just as I have said before, this scenario is much like the others: meet in the middle and duke it out. I mean no disrespect, but there is a lot more to setting up a scenario than simply looking up forces in the area and saying "Go". I'm having a fun time no doubt as these scenarios are a huge breath of fresh air compared to the MA.
I for one think the player ratios are a bit off. I also think the Japs have far too many offensive aircraft in the air at one time. I think there should be some restrictions as to what fighters can escort buffs, what fighters can carry ord, etc. There are lots of things that I could mention, but ultimately I am having fun and I do appreciate the efforts. ;) <S>
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Only 2 groups of bombers had escorts for the Axis. The D3As and the level bombers hitting A10. The other level bomber groups had no escort. But I did use heavy fighter sweeps in advance of the bombers. I think some of the problem was range. All of the Axis fighters could reach any assigned target, while the Allies were limited in their escorts due to range. The P-40s and P-39s would have been hard pressed to get to A19 and back.
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The P-40E is a dog. I think I prefer the P-39D. :rofl
Show some faith Moriarty, show some faith baby! :lol
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As a scout for the 332nd protecting C49, I picked up the SBD attack force over a sector out from the CV. This let some of us spread the C-Hawks out and make them a bit less effective then they usually are. The P38s and B25s that came in from the north (I think) had a pretty clean run (but I think they were not assigned C49 as a target and just picked a route that put them over our taskforce). The 332nd were all down by t+60 and C49 should have been an easy cleanup for a second attack. I was surprised that C49 wasn't hit again.
All in all, it was a fun first FSO back in a number of months. <S> C-Hawks for a valiant attack. <S> 68 Lightning Lancers for your p38 skills.
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Definately a fun night for the 353rd. We even got a tad bit of revenge on the 68th for last weeks cruiser tangle!
353rd was assigned CAP for A15 in A6M2's. We set up in a box search grid around 8-11-3 at 20k. At approx T+20, the 68th approached from the SE at approx 15k. After the bounce, we scored 3 kills to our one loss. :salute to the 68th for not turning to fight and using your speed to get to the target. The attack appeared unsuccessful however, as only one building was left burning.
After the 68th cleared the area, 353rd provided CAP for our returning Ki-67's, and we re-armed as well. Timing of it was perfect, because this is when A19 got hit. 353rd began to rally when we saw the A19, A18 and the A16 start flashing indicating a sweeping southward attack.
Our initial bounce was peacemeal, we were still trying to rally when the B-24's approached A16 at 18k. We destroyed one B-24 and then began tangling with the escorts. Everything seemed fine for the moment and it even looked to have cleared out, when what appeared to be over 40 F4U's appeared out of no where. the VF and VMF guys literally stumbled onto the perfect bounce. We gave as good as we could. In the end though, we couldn't match the numbers.
Most excellent bounce guys. I have lots of film to study from it.
:salute
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That was VMF-251 with elements of VF-10 and Rolling Thunder. Some of us got held up over 19 by the CAP there so arrived late, but just in time to clear the guys you were on.
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Squire: GREAT FSO AND GREAT SETUP!!!!!
Lots of fun just as is. Yes the Allies are getting smoked on this one :lol and as a Allied pilot I know this very well.
Looking forward to Frame 3. Keep up the great work. I trust your twiks will make it even more fun and thats all that counts in the FSO. Having fun!!!
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<S> to the 353rd and 352nd.
Our order were changed a bit mid-week. Initially we were flying escort for the strike on C49, but it was then realized there was a danger A15 wouldn't be hit by T-60 so we were re-tasked with hitting A15 hard and fast, then sprinting north without engaging A15's cover to provide escort to the strike package hitting C49.
The strike on A15 was OK - a couple of our tail-enders got caught and had to engage but most of us were able to blow through and drop on the base. Unfortunately, it appears most of us were too busy concentrating on the defending zero's and our best egress routes rather than where our bombs were going. I personally missed fighter hanger two by a good 50 yards.
We met up with our bomber force just as they reached C49. At this point, we were a bit spread out by the attack at A15 and the need to get north quickly. We were also a bit low, which meant when the inevitable zero's appeared above us a very exciting couple of minutes ensued. Given our initial situation, we actually did not bad. As far as I could tell we killed more than we lost and certainly kept the bad guys busy. I've no idea how our buffs did - apart from one quick glimpse, I never saw them.
Having cleared the immediately visible zeroes, we tried to regroup and RTB to A9 rearm and refuel. Along the way, we were harassed by small groups of enemy and the constant skirmishes got us spread out again. However we were quickly learning that our P38's were a worthy adversary for the enemy machines. Our lead elements found A9 under heavy attack and whilst we able to hold our own in the air, losses were starting to accumulate. Fuel and ammo was also becoming a major issue. The constant stream of attackers made disengaging difficult and eventually we were forced to make risky attempts to land and rearm. We lost a lot of aircraft that way.
A few of us did make it to A10, but again got caught on the ground by the Muppets. I was 6 ft off the the runway when approaching zeroes were spotted and despite 68Raptor shouting at me to tower out and save my aircraft I made the fateful decision to do a touch and go thinking that with the help of the field ack I could hold off the two bad guys long enough to let some more of our guys get back in the air. Unfortunately, those two bad guys quickly became 4 or 5 and with a low slow P38, the inevitable coup-de-grace was quickly applied.
Fun frame, but where are the Japs breeding all these zeroes? :D
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I implemented a "special" breeding program for frame 2. I stumbled on it accidentally when one of the Emperor's zeroes was parked for repairs. Someone had let a flock of sheep into the repair yard and we initially tought nothing of it. However, the next morning the sheep were all gone and the field was full of shiny new zeroes. I quickly issued orders to round up all sheep on the island and put them into teh repair yard with the original zero. Looks like it went well. :noid
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A few of us did make it to A10, but again got caught on the ground by the Muppets. I was 6 ft off the the runway when approaching zeroes were spotted and despite 68Raptor shouting at me to tower out and save my aircraft I made the fateful decision to do a touch and go thinking that with the help of the field ack I could hold off the two bad guys long enough to let some more of our guys get back in the air. Unfortunately, those two bad guys quickly became 4 or 5 and with a low slow P38, the inevitable coup-de-grace was quickly applied.
LOL , yeah I had the same thing happen to me. I got a pilot wound from Jennifer of FATE. I nursed my bird back to the A-10 area. The base was flashing and I should have ditched but decided to try and save the bird. I came into the area and didn't see a plane anywhere. So I decided to sneak in. As usual with a pilot wound I got a black out on final approach. As I come out of it I'm over the runway I attempt to set my bird down and start taking hits. My bird come apart and I managed a bail. I got Muppetized. :D
Actually I think the lurking around enemy bases picking off people trying to land is a sound tactic. Being a one life event every bird you take out won't be back for the night.
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Well to be fair, it's not like we were lurking around waiting to kill off rtb planes. We had already been in two or so large large engagements. We were flying from sector to sector looking for anything to kill!
Last frame we fought 39's, 38's, both variant of hog, b24's, and I think an sbd or two.
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Call it what you want but it still works. :aok
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It was alot of fun. However the japaness need to have thier forces limited to 15k or less. Getting jumped from 25k flying a P-39 didn't happen and it shouldn't here. That over give us unlimited number of 38'g and f4u's and allow us to get into the stratosphere.
Valkyrie