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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: jollyFE on January 24, 2009, 09:09:55 AM
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got a quick question; Which is better
I am lookig at getting a 40 in LCD tv...found 2 Vizios that I like..the only difference that I can see is 720p vs 1080i and the contrast ratio 300000 vs 5000:1. The 720 has the 300000:1 and the 1080 has 5000:1.
I was going to use it as a monitor(using the dvi to hdmi cable I have) also for a bit until all my moves are completed and I can get a real monitor.
there really isn't that much difference in price (less than $100). Consumer Reports had an article a few issues ago where they said that under 50 in, you really cant tell the difference between 720 and 1080.
I as thinking that contrast ratio was more important since this isn't our primary tv, only one in a bedroom (I doubt I will even have an hd sat box hooked up to it, but could eventually).
anyways, just looking for some opinions.
thanks
Jolly
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The 720p TV is the better one. Do not confuse 1080i with 1080p; there is a big difference between the two although it is negligible whether you can see the difference on a screen smaller than 50 inches.
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ok I typed wrong, the 1080 said full hd..
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ok I typed wrong, the 1080 said full hd..
Contrast ratio is an important factor in an LCD. The 1080p TV loses with it's contrast ratio. The improved resolution will be negligible with that size screen. Go audition both TVs (preferable next to each other) and choose the one you like the best. My gut tells me the 720p is the winner.
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that was the direction I was leaning..the few $ I save will buy me a stand
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If you're planning to use it as a monitor, than I recommend getting 1080P (1920x1080). Make sure native resolution and response time is good . I just got my self a Samsung 550 40inch that I use for TV and monitor. Also once you get it, make sure to fine a online guide and calibrate the damn thing. Setting that come default are bad for TV / your eyes and they look horrible.
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If you intend to play AHII on it make sure the response time is up to the job or ghosting and residual images will drive you nuts. TVs will go up to 1920x1080 while LCD monitors will be 1920x1200 which is a small difference perhaps but if your primary reason is TV you wont want a monitor. I tried several TVs as monitors and settled on the Toshiba Regza because it is capable of not only HiDef but also the 480 res which so many TVs display horribly. You will know what I mean if you ever watch home made 480 videos on your TV or older VHS and some older movies on DVD even.
Something else to consider: I know you said LCD... Plasma if you use it in low light situations and never see natural sunlight in the room (not as bright) and otherwise LCD. I run my LCD widescreens at about 12% of their full brightness.
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Do not look at specs. They can be misleading and different brands use different clever measurements. Other parts of the TV are also important for a great image. The contrast ratio numbers are all abit iffy so dont trust them. I would suggest that you take the two models you have chosen and google for reviews before deciding.
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I would go with a 720p over 1080i.
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if you go for Full HD, get one with 100Hz
the effect is incredible, try to see it live somewhere before you
buy one. Even old DVD looking like a complete new movie with
this 100Hz.
I can suggest you a Samsung...
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if you go for Full HD, get one with 100Hz
the effect is incredible, try to see it live somewhere before you
buy one. Even old DVD looking like a complete new movie with
this 100Hz.
I can suggest you a Samsung...
Would be 120hz...standard is 60hz.
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40 inch Sony, Im looking at the same tv. Nice choice. Ahh Im probably goin with 1080 guess IMO. :aok around 1000$ at best buy, you find a better deal let me know.
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40 inch Sony, Im looking at the same tv. Nice choice. Ahh Im probably goin with 1080 guess IMO. :aok around 1000$ at best buy, you find a better deal let me know.
http://www.consumersearch.com/lcd-tv/samsung-ln40a550
This is a current best rated 40inch HDTV....
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thks , Samsung second choice, but I really like Sony's for some reason! will keep that in mind though. :salute
I have a 20inch LG tv/dvd/monitor no problems with that brand yet!
Crap, earlier I was talking about the Sony Bravio not vizio, hmm marketing gimmick?
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If sams club is an option.
http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5&item=393519&pCatg=9666 (http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate.do?dest=5&item=393519&pCatg=9666)
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Would be 120hz...standard is 60hz.
Newman5 this has nothing to do with old Hz standards, an LCD is flimmerfree anyway, i was talking about the
latest Full HD TVs offering 100Hz Motion Plus technology which eliminates blurring in fast-paced on-screen movements.
Advanced algorithms in Samsung's new 100Hz Motion Plus processor create a middle frame between image movements
by intelligently anticipating the action, offering more natural and smoother images. Like i wrote before, you have to see
it live to know what i mean. The best way i can desribe it is when the Camera following an Actor, the background
ends up blurred while moving, and with 100Hz Motion Plus it is crisp clear. I like this new effect.
Sony selling a new modell with even 200Hz.
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Most tv's won't produce true 100hz image even if they market it.
The hz will be a big deal in near future when 3D material will get out. People with 60hz tv's won't be able to view 3D material through their tv screens because their refresh rates are too low for 3D shutters.
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Under close examination you will find that the upgrade to MotionFlow 100 is a much larger step then upgrading to MotionFlow 200. Very very few people can even detect a difference.
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I'd sell any Sony product (except their ES series) that I won. They are like Bose. "If you market it well and provide a crappy product, people will buy it."
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thks for the input, what would you recommend then? dont say phillips . :(
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thks for the input, what would you recommend then? dont say phillips . :(
PM me a budget (include what you'd like to spend and an absolute "This is the most".) and I'll give you no less than three options. I get off of work at 4pm EST.
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I am looking to spend no more than $900 before sales tax
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I'd lean towards Samsung myself, we sell Samsung, Sharp, Toshiba, and Panasonic panels at the office and if between those I think Samsung has the best picture quality. They also have a large number of models in the 40-52" range so there's lots of room to match features and budget. If it's not for use as a computer monitor but rather strictly as a TV I'd still go with Plasma over LCD.
If you're buying retail make the sales guy show you some standard def off air stuff. More and more broadcasting is in HD but there's still a some channels that are probably fairly popular with the crowd around here that are currently standard def broadcasts. The cheap knock-off brands will be noticeably worse off than a solid model because they use cheaper processors.
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Here's a little tip on how to reduce price of a TV; Price match. I went to a shady place, talked about TV that I wanted and they tried to do 'used car salesman' approach by giving me 'this price for today only'. For Samsung 550 they reduced price by 250$. So I took piece of paper they wrote price down on to a well known store and they price matched me + 20% of the difference. A TV that originally on sale for 1100 suddenly become cheaper by 250$. :rock
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thks , Samsung second choice, but I really like Sony's for some reason! will keep that in mind though. :salute
I have a 20inch LG tv/dvd/monitor no problems with that brand yet!
Crap, earlier I was talking about the Sony Bravio not vizio, hmm marketing gimmick?
I have a Series 6 Samsung 46" LCD and it is nothing short of a very, very expensive hooker for your eyes.
I lined the Samsung next to the equivalent Sony Bravia and the Samsung absolutely smoked it for picture quality. It was cheaper too.... I paid just under $3000 AUD for mine.
I have never been so impressed by a TV.... I love my TV.... a lot.
It's like a child to me.
So I can only say +1 for Samsung.
Come to think of it.... once I hooked up my Ps3 to my TV I don't think I played AH for over a month. Didn't even log on. I just wanted to watch Blu Rays and play Metal Gear Solid 4.
My eyes definitely cracked a stiffy. :aok
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For a good source of information on A/V equipment check out.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/
As far as 1080i, 1080p, or 720p, they are all considered full HD. the difference between the (i), and the (p) is how the image is scanned onto the screen. (i) is interlaced, in simplified terms that means the image is scanned every other line, IE lines 1,3,5...1079, then lines 2,4,6...1080, (p) is progressive the lines are scanned in order 1,2,3...1080.
The number in front is lines of resolution a 1080 set be it interlaced or progressive has more lines of resolution than a 720 set. LCD t.v.'s have to be run in their native resolution or at least one that is supported by that tv. So with a 720p set you would limited to a resolution of (1280x720), a 1080 set would be (1920x1080). Make sure it can be used as a computer monitor, some can't.
If you are just using the set to watch tv or movies then the difference between a 40" 1080 set and a 720 set past about 3' is not noticeable to about 99% of the people. If you want to use it as a monitor as well then I would recommend going with a set that is 1080p as well as has 1to1 pixel mapping, plus a decent responce rate. Also be careful when looking at contrast ratios, differant companies use differant methods to obtain these numbers so they are not consistant from one brand to the other. Sometimes not even from one model to the next within a brand.
The best thing to do is look at the tv in person, and play with the settings most display tv's have brightness maxed out. Also make sure that who ever you purchase the set from has a good return policy. Do your research all tv's have their pros, and cons. You'll be much happier with your purchase in the long run.
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http://www.target.com/dp/B001HOHWEK/ref=sc_qi_detailbutton?ie=UTF8&pf_rd_r=066YHZQ45HV7EEGJVY65&pf_rd_p=465357931&pf_rd_i=B001HOHWEK&pf_rd_s=bottom-6&pf_rd_m=A1VC38T7YXB528&pf_rd_t=5101
I'm thinking about buying this TV this evening after work. For $698, It seems like the cheapest 42" model I can find at the same time being "name" brand.
Anybody familiar with this model?
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I'd sell any Sony product (except their ES series) that I won. They are like Bose. "If you market it well and provide a crappy product, people will buy it."
But Peyton Manning, Dale Earnhardt Jr., James Brown, and The Chicken say that Sony's HDNA is the way to go :rofl :rofl
Myself, I have a Sharp Aquos LCD that's almost 3 years old and I love it.
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I am looking at the Samsung LN40A530....................i t has a 5ms respomse time..is that good enough?
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I am looking at the Samsung LN40A530....................i t has a 5ms respomse time..is that good enough?
I have 550 version and I can game at full 1080P without any problems.
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Sony makes the best tv's in the medium to high pricerange followed by Samsung. You have some higher end brands like Loewe etc that may be better, but the image and build quality of Sony's are hard to beat. Toshiba also makes some good sets but they do have more DOA products and quality control issues.
Im guessing the tvs and other Sony products that are available in the US are made in another factory (Mexico?) than those that are shipped to europe. I base that on all the negative input americans have on the Sony brand.
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Samsung makes great TVs. I have a 61" 1080P.
I can't stand sony.
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Sony TV's have ALWAYS had a "redder hue" regardless of settings. Why? They use cheap glass/panels.
Pioneer Elite/Pioneer are without question the Champions of any class TV.
Samsung has stolen the LCD market and continued to raise the bar. I'd put Mitsubishi and Panasonic ahead of Sony.
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Whats youre veiw of Sharp Aquos TVs?
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Whats youre veiw of Sharp Aquos TVs?
I'd consider a Sharp myself as well. I was on the phone with the wife when I posted and left them off mistakenly.
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Sharp makes a good panel, IMHO I think Samsung can offer a little more. But Sharp is a good panel.
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Pioneer Elite/Pioneer are without question the Champions of any class TV.
Those are nice sets, if I remember right Panasonic is OEM-ing at least some of the parts for them. Panasonic also is supposed to have a 65" coming out in their commercial/pro series that is supposed to be a Kuro killer.
It's really too bad Fujitsu shut down it's American plasma division, when those were around they smoked just about anything you put them up against.
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Hey...... you guys gave me the itch too hook up my HDTV (Sharp LC-32SB24U) 32 inch,,, and man, it is the BOMB..... Clear and Crisp, but what resolution should i run Aces High on? My video card is a nx8600gt, 9550 amd phenom processor, 2 gig ram.
Thx all,
Wakes
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Hey...... you guys gave me the itch too hook up my HDTV (Sharp LC-32SB24U) 32 inch,,, and man, it is the BOMB..... Clear and Crisp, but what resolution should i run Aces High on? My video card is a nx8600gt, 9550 amd phenom processor, 2 gig ram.
Thx all,
Wakes
Your tv's native resolution is (1366 x 768), so you need to set your resolution to that, or one close to that that your tv supports.
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Sik
I set my resolution too 1360 by 768 and it look like sorta smoshed, horizontally.... and the book does say my native res is 1360x768 .....hmmm,
1024x768 looks normal (not smooshed). any suggestion's?
Thx again,
Wakes
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If it looks good at 1024x768 I would be tempted to run it there. The only issue is what are the ramifications if that is not a supported resolution, and that is a question I don't know the answer to. Does the book say what resolutions the tv supports?
My guess, and it is only a guess, would be that it looks smoshed when you set it to 1360x768 is because of overscan. Does the book say anything about being able to turn overscan off?
Also how did you connect the tv to the computer?
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Samsung makes great TVs. I have a 61" 1080P.
Party at Shuffler's house.
:aok
Superbowl is coming up, isn't it?
One of the teams couldn't find any Americans to do the job and had to get an Aussie, right?
:lol :P
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http://www.target.com/dp/B001HOHWEK/ref=sc_qi_detailbutton?ie=UTF8&pf_rd_r=066YHZQ45HV7EEGJVY65&pf_rd_p=465357931&pf_rd_i=B001HOHWEK&pf_rd_s=bottom-6&pf_rd_m=A1VC38T7YXB528&pf_rd_t=5101
Anybody familiar with this model?
Well, Target was sold out, but SAM'S Club had them for the same price.
So far the TV looks good, but I need to upgrade my DVD and Dish Receiver so I get the HD happening. Got my DVD player hooked up through Component and its good, but it could be better. Need to get a DVD with HDMI Out.