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Title: Empty fuel tanks on fire.
Post by: FYB on January 24, 2009, 11:25:55 AM
A leaking fuel tank that is long empty will not only catch on fire but will burn until something falls off.

We dont have this in game and i'd like to request it.

-FYB
Title: Re: Empty fuel tanks on fire.
Post by: Allen Rune on January 24, 2009, 02:06:54 PM
We dont have this in game and i'd like to request it.

 :rofl

You sure you got that right?
Title: Re: Empty fuel tanks on fire.
Post by: FYB on January 24, 2009, 02:30:44 PM
:rofl

You sure you got that right?
Sorry i requested the wrong thing! :(

-FYB
Title: Re: Empty fuel tanks on fire.
Post by: FYB on January 24, 2009, 02:38:07 PM
A leaking fuel tank that is long empty will not only catch on fire but will burn until something falls off.

We dont have this in game and i'd like to request it.

-FYB
Dame it i wrote wrong.

I meant to say:
If there is no fuel in a fuel tank how come it keeps on burning, and burning until finally something melts and rips off.
I'd like for that to be fixed.


-FYB
Title: Re: Empty fuel tanks on fire.
Post by: Anaxogoras on January 24, 2009, 02:41:27 PM
Dame it i wrote wrong.

I meant to say:
If there is no fuel in a fuel tank how come it keeps on burning, and burning until finally something melts and rips off.
I'd like for that to be fixed.


-FYB

Because you ought to bail out and admit defeat.
Title: Re: Empty fuel tanks on fire.
Post by: 1pLUs44 on January 24, 2009, 02:44:21 PM
I'd like to feel special, and be able to dive and extinguish the flames and hopefully save my aircraft.

:noid
Title: Re: Empty fuel tanks on fire.
Post by: FYB on January 24, 2009, 02:45:52 PM
I'd like to feel special, and be able to dive and extinguish the flames and hopefully save my aircraft.

:noid
That too.  :aok

-FYB
Title: Re: Empty fuel tanks on fire.
Post by: Anaxogoras on January 24, 2009, 02:49:09 PM
I'd like to feel special, and be able to dive and extinguish the flames and hopefully save my aircraft.

:noid

Just like in the movies.
Title: Re: Empty fuel tanks on fire.
Post by: 1pLUs44 on January 24, 2009, 02:50:01 PM
Just like in the movies.

Be t3h l337 h4xx0rz like in The Memphis Belle

:noid
Title: Re: Empty fuel tanks on fire.
Post by: moot on January 24, 2009, 03:10:15 PM
Inflammable fumes?
Title: Re: Empty fuel tanks on fire.
Post by: Allen Rune on January 24, 2009, 04:29:43 PM
How exactly is it that an emptie tank that only has vapors left still leaks and leaves a long trail of fire when it catches fire. Shouldn't a spark from a bullet start a combustion that travels much more rapidly than it would with the liquid leaking away from the main mass in the tank? In other words, go BOOM?
Title: Re: Empty fuel tanks on fire.
Post by: moot on January 24, 2009, 04:57:07 PM
One for the todo list..
Title: Re: Empty fuel tanks on fire.
Post by: A.F. Crash, Fire, Rescue on January 25, 2009, 11:43:50 AM
How exactly is it that an emptie tank that only has vapors left still leaks and leaves a long trail of fire when it catches fire. Shouldn't a spark from a bullet start a combustion that travels much more rapidly than it would with the liquid leaking away from the main mass in the tank? In other words, go BOOM?

Well that's just it, certain flammable liquids have different ignition temperatures. Some are higher and some are lower than others, it all depends on what the liquid just happens to be. I can take a match, light it, and drop it into a cup of gasoline and it will just burn itself out because the match just will not get hot enough to reach the ignition temperature of the gasoline. Now as for kerosene, drop the match into a cup of that stuff and it will light off quite easily because kerosene has a lower ignition temperature that gasoline. Also the flash point of the liquid comes into play as well as gasoline has an extremely low flash point temperature while kerosene is somewhat high. Anyway, a spark at the speed that the aircraft was going and the temperature at the time would greatly affect whether or not the fuel would ignite or not. If you have anymore questions about fire science, just send me a PM.
Title: Re: Empty fuel tanks on fire.
Post by: Banshee7 on January 25, 2009, 11:48:30 AM
I thought it was the vapors/fumes that burned anyway in most fuels?
Title: Re: Empty fuel tanks on fire.
Post by: AirFlyer on January 25, 2009, 01:37:28 PM
Made a post about this awhile back and I'm all for it. I hate when the Aux tank in my A6M catches fire and it's been empty for 20 - 30 mins.

P.S. http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,240254.0.html Here's the post I made on it awhile back.
Title: Re: Empty fuel tanks on fire.
Post by: Masherbrum on January 25, 2009, 05:18:14 PM
An empty tank of fuel is more volatile than a full one.   

Ask any OTR driver you see the next time you fill up.   He'll tell you what I just did.   I also worked in Compressed Gases for Pfizer before they shut their doors in Ann Arbor.   Empty Hydrogen cylinders were handled with more caution than full ones and the full ones were worrisome enough.

Title: Re: Empty fuel tanks on fire.
Post by: BnZs on January 25, 2009, 05:22:28 PM
Indeed, you can weld on an oil storage tank as long as you stay below the level of the liquid.

Fuel tanks are never truly empty in flight btw. There is always some portion of unusable fuel left.
Title: Re: Empty fuel tanks on fire.
Post by: Xasthur on January 25, 2009, 08:53:00 PM
Even though empty tanks may be more volatile the way they burn is silly. Empty tanks should explode and cause structural failure, not leave trails of balls of fire behind for an extended period. Not to be rude or disrepectful...
Title: Re: Empty fuel tanks on fire.
Post by: Masherbrum on January 25, 2009, 10:42:16 PM
Not all "flaming planes" are shot in the fuel tank.    I guarantee you fuel lines are somewhat modeled.   Fuel lines can burn for minutes before "Catastrophic damage" is done. 

Title: Re: Empty fuel tanks on fire.
Post by: moot on January 25, 2009, 10:46:03 PM
"Empty" fuel tanks showing trails as visibly as if they were full, and not bursting like they should when catching sparks isn't right, though.
Title: Re: Empty fuel tanks on fire.
Post by: Denholm on January 26, 2009, 10:54:28 AM
...Shouldn't a spark from a bullet start a combustion that travels much more rapidly than it would with the liquid leaking away from the main mass in the tank? In other words, go BOOM?
Lead doesn't spark. In other words, Hollywood got to you.
Title: Re: Empty fuel tanks on fire.
Post by: allaire on January 26, 2009, 02:42:42 PM
Lead doesn't spark. In other words, Hollywood got to you.
Yeah but the copper jackets on the bullets will.
Title: Re: Empty fuel tanks on fire.
Post by: Motherland on January 26, 2009, 03:06:29 PM
It's less of a matter of 'sparking' and more of a matter of incendiary compounds and high explosives ;)
Title: Re: Empty fuel tanks on fire.
Post by: Denholm on January 26, 2009, 03:08:48 PM
Now THAT will do the trick.
Title: Re: Empty fuel tanks on fire.
Post by: Traveler on January 26, 2009, 03:45:39 PM
Not all "flaming planes" are shot in the fuel tank.    I guarantee you fuel lines are somewhat modeled.   Fuel lines can burn for minutes before "Catastrophic damage" is done. 



I don't think the damage model includes fuel lines, If they did I'd think that the engine would be unable to generate 100% power or War Emergency Power as the aircraft in AH appear to do while zooming around the sky burining out of control for 5 minutes or so.
Title: Re: Empty fuel tanks on fire.
Post by: FYB on January 27, 2009, 01:06:25 AM
It's less of a matter of 'sparking' and more of a matter of incendiary compounds and high explosives ;)
Thank you for saving my back. Or so i think so.  :confused: :rolleyes:

-FYB