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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: spud2u on January 26, 2009, 05:58:21 PM
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it seems that the x52 is the hotas of choice :salute
spudd
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I prefer CH gear myself.
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cause X-52 PWNS
-BigBOBCH
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I will give you my X52
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And the X52 will be my last Saitek. CH products for me here on out. :salute
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X52 for 4 or so years running, still mostly fine as a whistle.
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X45 for 9 or 10 years...still going strong. :aok
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And the X52 will be my last Saitek. CH products for me here on out. :salute
same
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I'll take your X-52 Banshee! My trigger just croaked on mine. sufferin without a trigger till i can talk the wife into letting me get a new stick....
Want to get one of these
(the F-18E stick w/ dual throttles)
http://www.hirevsims.com/01prod/fltcontrl/fcntrl/misc/misc01.htm (http://www.hirevsims.com/01prod/fltcontrl/fcntrl/misc/misc01.htm)
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Saitek Av8r FTW!
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I'll take your X-52 Banshee! My trigger just croaked on mine. sufferin without a trigger till i can talk the wife into letting me get a new stick....
Want to get one of these
(the F-18E stick w/ dual throttles)
http://www.hirevsims.com/01prod/fltcontrl/fcntrl/misc/misc01.htm (http://www.hirevsims.com/01prod/fltcontrl/fcntrl/misc/misc01.htm)
:O :O
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X45 for 9 or 10 years...still going strong. :aok
X2. But seeing wear and tear in it. I give it another...two years before it moves on.
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I do fine with my $25 av8r-01 saitek. :)
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I'll take your X-52 Banshee! My trigger just croaked on mine. sufferin without a trigger till i can talk the wife into letting me get a new stick....
Want to get one of these
(the F-18E stick w/ dual throttles)
http://www.hirevsims.com/01prod/fltcontrl/fcntrl/misc/misc01.htm (http://www.hirevsims.com/01prod/fltcontrl/fcntrl/misc/misc01.htm)
I have a spare trigger. Do you need just the switch?
Wouldn't want the wife to see you suffer withdrawal and send you to rehab :D
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it seems that the x52 is the hotas of choice :salute
Kind of like concluding from the greater number of Toyotas that they're better than a BMW. ;)
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X45 for 9 or 10 years...still going strong. :aok
Yeah my X45 is still rockin along.
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Von- yea, the microswitch (i would assume based on disassembly of other sticks) has gone out. it still "clicks" but sends no signal.
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I'm one of the peeps guilty of having an x52 in my pic. Who wants it?...
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Mind your tounge.
Cougar FTW :) :rock
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As long as its working right the X-52 is a fine choice, "boy that made a lot of sense right"?
I just went about 4 months without ever having to even calibrate mine. Now, for about a week now, Ive had to recalibrate almost every time I change planes or vehicles. Next I'll have another good 4 month run. Who knows why?
Overall Im happy with mine but I had a lot of problems when I first bought it. Ive heard good things about the new beta release of their SST software but frankly Im afraid to try it since the old version still works for me. I'd probably go CH next time around but Im not totally unhappy with my X-52 Saitek stuff.
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Von- yea, the microswitch (i would assume based on disassembly of other sticks) has gone out. it still "clicks" but sends no signal.
If you want, PM me your address and I'll send it to ya. :aok
Also, if it's less than 2 years old (they can tell be the serial #, as I have contacted them about this in the past) you can send it to them and they will fix it.
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Von- yea, the microswitch (i would assume based on disassembly of other sticks) has gone out. it still "clicks" but sends no signal.
if it still "clicks" then most likely its just a broken wire. Just my opinion after working on pinballs for 20 years :)
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Von, thanks,
But, my wife as of today approved my purchase order for a new stick.. :rock . I think I am going to order one from the website I listed above.. either that or a CH setup (Minus the pedals, my saitek pedals are still good to go). Question though, anyone use CH stick with X52 throttle? I REALLY like the throttle on the X52... was wondering if it is possible to use a mix?
Sol
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Von, thanks,
But, my wife as of today approved my purchase order for a new stick.. :rock . I think I am going to order one from the website I listed above.. either that or a CH setup (Minus the pedals, my saitek pedals are still good to go). Question though, anyone use CH stick with X52 throttle? I REALLY like the throttle on the X52... was wondering if it is possible to use a mix?
Sol
You can go to their website and check it out but yes I think you can. They aren't connected.
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Von, thanks,
But, my wife as of today approved my purchase order for a new stick.. :rock . I think I am going to order one from the website I listed above.. either that or a CH setup (Minus the pedals, my saitek pedals are still good to go). Question though, anyone use CH stick with X52 throttle? I REALLY like the throttle on the X52... was wondering if it is possible to use a mix?
Sol
:rock
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If your having to recalibrate alot it might be that the USB doesn't have enough power. Have you added any new USB items lately? I always suggest getting a powered USB Hub. It is inexpensive and fixes a lot of problems.
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Just traded out my X45 stick for my good ol' Microsoft Sidewinder Precision Pro..
X45 wasn't a bad stick, I just couldn't get used to using the little rocker on the
throttle for yaw control.. It did not have enough finesse to and was more of an all or
nothing input.. I tried adjusting with scaling to no avail.. Now that I have twist rudder
control, I'm having much more fun.. I'm still using my X45 throttle with the Sidewinder and
it's a great combination! For whoever asked if you can use an X52 throttle with a CH stick,
I'm pretty sure that you can(sorry, just woke up and frankly too lazy too look who it was).. PM me what the connection is for the CH stick and I"ll tell
you what you need.. :salute
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Kind of like concluding from the greater number of Toyotas that they're better than a BMW. ;)
Less expensive to maintain, easy to work on yourself, less expensive initial investment...sounds like that would be a good reason.
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lol I've always been a buy American type and a big Chevy fan. Problem is that now only 40% of the Chevy truck is american made and 80% of the Toyota Tundra is made in America. Ohhh the webs that we weave.
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lol I've always been a buy American type and a big Chevy fan. Problem is that now only 40% of the Chevy truck is american made and 80% of the Toyota Tundra is made in America. Ohhh the webs that we weave.
Yeah. The DOT here buys American vehicles (besides a few Prius or Honda hybrids they have in the fleet). Funny thing is you open the door and low and behold: Made in Mexico.
So much for helping your fellow hard working countrymen. We're only helping the guys with all the money that sent the labor elsewhere. I know this is all an oversimplification of it but what you said about the vehicles really hits home.
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I'm sure not everyone is lucky enough to have their own full CH setup.
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<--- "rebel" Cougar Owner
:noid
the X52 is either the, or among the cheapest full HOTAS sets you can buy, hence there are more of them..
you see more regular X52s than X52 Pros.. oh noes, the regular is better than the pro! :O :lol
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ST290 walmart special for me. I take it back every 89 days and get a new one. Sweeet.
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ST290 walmart special for me. I take it back every 89 days and get a new one. Sweeet.
:rofl
"stickin" it to the man.
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I was struck with this when I was at The Con last year.
In the 90's, the WB Cons looked like a Thrustmaster Convention.
In the early 2000's, the hardware was 30% TM, 30% CH, and the remainder was split between Microsoft and Logitech.
The 2008 Con looked like an X52 convention. It was all Saitek gear except for 2 CH setups and one Thrustmaster setup (which was mine.)
The times are a-changin...
-Warr
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Less expensive to maintain, easy to work on yourself, less expensive initial investment...sounds like that would be a good reason.
I'd be willing to wager that those with Saitcrap gear will spend more money over the years for replacement parts or sticks than someone that buys CH gear. I've only had to spend $12 bucks to maintain my CH gear over the last 7 years and that was to replace a potentiometer that had gone bad about 4 years ago. I haven't calibrated my stick in the last year (only had to recalibrate after building my new system) and prior to that only time I calibrated was when I reformatted my old system.
Sure, Saitcrap stuff might be less inexpensive than CH gear but in the long run, you probably end up spending more in trying to keep that Saitcrap gear running.
ack-ack
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I went from CH to Saitek many years ago and did never regret it. Turned out to me much cheaper in the long run.
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Like my X-52, won't be switching.
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I'd be willing to wager that those with Saitcrap gear will spend more money over the years for replacement parts or sticks than someone that buys CH gear. I've only had to spend $12 bucks to maintain my CH gear over the last 7 years and that was to replace a potentiometer that had gone bad about 4 years ago. I haven't calibrated my stick in the last year (only had to recalibrate after building my new system) and prior to that only time I calibrated was when I reformatted my old system.
Sure, Saitcrap stuff might be less inexpensive than CH gear but in the long run, you probably end up spending more in trying to keep that Saitcrap gear running.
ack-ack
Well I was referring to buying a Toyota as compared to a Chevy with that comment. Only really the intial cost bears out in the X52 to CH comparison. Well maybe not:
I bought used CH PRO pedals and love them. They are great. I was given a second hand X52 and I love it as well.
My only complaint on the X52 is the slider on the throttle is a little buggy on mine. For being free with that only defect I love it.
The pedals I had to pay about $50 since they were used. I had to crack them open a few months ago to fix the wire running to the toe brake on the left side. That wasn't much fun, but now they are back to 100%.
So thats where I stand on this whole deal. I'd love some more CH gear, but why buy when what I have works fine? Maybe when the X52 goes I'll look at CH gear, hopefully I'll have the cash to handle it.
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IMO the x52 is hideous cheap and nasty looking I mean what why the hell do you need a finger guard on a joystick unless
you plan on attaching a blade too it too go fencing or something??? :rolleyes: and the blue lights on it?? necessary??
I dunno a stick should be a pretty simple thing in my view products that are overloaded with gimmicks tend too be that way
to distract the buyer for lack of quality in their primary functions??
The garb says it has a "spring loaded safety cover for the fire buttons" ??? Nice safety feature there in case you 'kill' anyone
accidentally in a game?? we wouldn't want that would we :lol :lol
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Great Ch products deals on Ebay. As the guys said, they last a long time. Buying used is a very good idea. There are many that buy this stuff for one game and never use it again.
Not much can go wrong with the throt or peds either. Top of the line stuff IMO. Fighter Sticks from 40 to 60 bucks ..WOW they should be 80 used. Brand new combat sticks are 77.00 I think.
http://shop.ebay.com/items/__ch-products_W0QQ_frsZ1QQ_trksidZp3286Q2ec0Q2em359
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I'd be willing to wager that those with Saitcrap gear will spend more money over the years for replacement parts or sticks than someone that buys CH gear.
And you'd lose. My X45 has never needed work (I'm not even sure how old it is now, maybe 5 years?), my CH Pro Pedals have the toe brake problem (bad design imho) and I'm on my 2nd set.
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And you'd lose. My X45 has never needed work (I'm not even sure how old it is now, maybe 5 years?), my CH Pro Pedals have the toe brake problem (bad design imho) and I'm on my 2nd set.
If you don't mind fiddling with the springs the toe brake wire isn't that horrible to fix. All told I spent less than half an hour and most of that was getting the springs hooked up while closing the shell.
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And you'd lose. My X45 has never needed work (I'm not even sure how old it is now, maybe 5 years?), my CH Pro Pedals have the toe brake problem (bad design imho) and I'm on my 2nd set.
The toe brake pots are $10 ea and easy to replace.
http://www.chproducts.com/shop/parts.html
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It's probably the wire running to the pots and not the pot.
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It's probably the wire running to the pots and not the pot.
Maybe so, but he didn't specify what "toe brake problem".
I have heard of the wire problem but the only problems my CH pedals have given me in 7 years are the pots.
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If your having to recalibrate alot it might be that the USB doesn't have enough power. Have you added any new USB items lately? I always suggest getting a powered USB Hub. It is inexpensive and fixes a lot of problems.
Naw, thanks for the help but this is one I'm going to have to write off. Ive tried other USB hubs, connections, everything you can think of. Like any piece of hardware there are little gremlins you have to live with. And once I do calibrate it everything works fine.
Im a tinker'er by nature and Ive tried to just keep hands off things as long as they work. In fairness the X-52 has allowed me to hone my game without having to hone to many computer skills.
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I'll take your X-52 Banshee! My trigger just croaked on mine. sufferin without a trigger till i can talk the wife into letting me get a new stick....
Want to get one of these
(the F-18E stick w/ dual throttles)
http://www.hirevsims.com/01prod/fltcontrl/fcntrl/misc/misc01.htm (http://www.hirevsims.com/01prod/fltcontrl/fcntrl/misc/misc01.htm)
Just bought one at Circuit City. My first. Had the extreme 3D Pro till now. Wife ack let me but it due to the "Going out of business Bargain Bonanza Days" :aok
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It's probably the wire running to the pots and not the pot.
Actually the problem with the Pro Pedals is at the point where the main cable goes into the top end of the pedals. Usually, if you wiggle the cable where it enters the pedals, it will fix the problem. It is a design flaw that been inherent to the Pro Pedals since they were initially designed and due to the cost of making a new mold, it was decided back then not to fix the problem. The problem is the wiring gets pinched from the main cable as it goes into the pedals.
ack-ack
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The problem I discovered upon opening the thing up was that one of the wires running to the brake pot had been severed. No problem with the main wire running into the shell.
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I bought an x-52 a while back for the heck of it and sat my 3d pro down. The x-52 had to be calibrated everyday. I bought a powered hub thinking that would fix it but it didnt :cry So i bought the whole CH set up (fighterstick, throttle, and pedals) and havent looked back. IMHO Ch is so much better for me anyways. I still have the x-52 boxed up in my computer room. The x-52 looks flashy but thats about it. Its just crazy how some people have great experiences with somethings and others have nightmares with it.
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The problem I discovered upon opening the thing up was that one of the wires running to the brake pot had been severed. No problem with the main wire running into the shell.
Same, reconnected the wire and it still didn't work. Not sure if the pot died as well or the wire problem lead to other issues further in the circuit.
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the prob with the x52 losing calibration is the software. this software also limits the buttons for use in game. I run the x52 with no software, just plugged in and played AH. have all buttons and never lose callibration. I have 2 squaddies that had the prob with it too. Once they got rid of ALL the software it worked perfectlty.
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I was one of those X52'rs that had to keep calibrating.. :furious Waaaaay too often.... Then I found a thread about Power management of USB hubs and don't ya know I haven't Calibrated my X52 Since... hmmmmmmmm :huh
Start menu
Settings--
Control panel--
System--
"Hardware tab"--
Device manager--
(clik the +) for "USB Controllers"--
Right clik "USB Root hub"--
"Properties"--
under Power management tab... UNCHECK the "allow the computer to turn off this device to save power"
Do this for any of the USB Root hub that might be in your system (I have two)
I'll bet ya won't have any more issues with "recalibrating"
......and the Powered USB is still a good idea
:O
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I was one of those X52'rs that had to keep calibrating.. :furious Waaaaay too often.... Then I found a thread about Power management of USB hubs and don't ya know I haven't Calibrated my X52 Since... hmmmmmmmm :huh
Start menu
Settings--
Control panel--
System--
"Hardware tab"--
Device manager--
(clik the +) for "USB Controllers"--
Right clik "USB Root hub"--
"Properties"--
under Power management tab... UNCHECK the "allow the computer to turn off this device to save power"
Do this for any of the USB Root hub that might be in your system (I have two)
I'll bet ya won't have any more issues with "recalibrating"
......and the Powered USB is still a good idea
:O
Another good tip. I had also heard about the software creating issues. I don't have it installed. Just plug and play.
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As long as its working right the X-52 is a fine choice, "boy that made a lot of sense right"?
I just went about 4 months without ever having to even calibrate mine. Now, for about a week now, Ive had to recalibrate almost every time I change planes or vehicles. Next I'll have another good 4 month run. Who knows why?
Overall Im happy with mine but I had a lot of problems when I first bought it. Ive heard good things about the new beta release of their SST software but frankly Im afraid to try it since the old version still works for me. I'd probably go CH next time around but Im not totally unhappy with my X-52 Saitek stuff.
Rich, do you run your X52 through a powered USB hub?
I had calibration problems with mine when I plugged it into the computer directly. I bought a $30 USB hub that has it's own wall-plug power source and plug my X52 into that.
I've calibrated my stick once since I bought that and that was almost a year ago. I hadn't used the stick for ages either, so I suspect that's why it needed to be recalibrated.
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It is a design flaw that been inherent to the Pro Pedals since they were initially designed
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I tried to point this out at the CH-Hangar one time and used a phrase similar to "design flaw" and got reprimanded pretty good by both Debby and Revvin. I have been very careful since in discussing this very definite problem over there. These are good folks but you have to be careful what you say and how you say it. That's a business with pretty thin profit margins and a volatile market so it's understandable they could be a bit edgy some times.
Personally, I have repaired a number of pedals whose toe brakes have stopped working. If they had just used a little bigger wire there would not be a problem. The way I fix them is to replace those wires with larger gauge ones.
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Von, thanks,
But, my wife as of today approved my purchase order for a new stick.. :rock . I think I am going to order one from the website I listed above.. either that or a CH setup (Minus the pedals, my saitek pedals are still good to go). Question though, anyone use CH stick with X52 throttle? I REALLY like the throttle on the X52... was wondering if it is possible to use a mix?
Sol
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Yep, it's no problem at all. I use my old X52 throttle with a CH Fighterstick Now when I go to Map Controllers, I see my pedals, the X52, and the CH stick and each are set up independently.
shiv
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I tried to point this out at the CH-Hangar one time and used a phrase similar to "design flaw" and got reprimanded pretty good by both Debby and Revvin. I have been very careful since in discussing this very definite problem over there. These are good folks but you have to be careful what you say and how you say it. That's a business with pretty thin profit margins and a volatile market so it's understandable they could be a bit edgy some times.
Personally, I have repaired a number of pedals whose toe brakes have stopped working. If they had just used a little bigger wire there would not be a problem. The way I fix them is to replace those wires with larger gauge ones.
Yeah, they were touchy about it too when I worked there but it is what it is. Honestly, I don't blame them for not correcting it, to redo the mold would have been extremely expensive. It really blew me away to find out how much the molds cost to make and it's something that is relatively easy to fix in most cases, just wiggle the wire.
ack-ack
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Yeah, they were touchy about it too when I worked there but it is what it is. Honestly, I don't blame them for not correcting it, to redo the mold would have been extremely expensive. It really blew me away to find out how much the molds cost to make and it's something that is relatively easy to fix in most cases, just wiggle the wire.
ack-ack
Unless the wire to the toe brake is completely cut in two. No amount of wiggling will help that problem. Not a hard fix as Homeboy stated, just a PITA to reassemble.
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The problem I discovered upon opening the thing up was that one of the wires running to the brake pot had been severed. No problem with the main wire running into the shell.
Same here. And it's now broke again.
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I'm guessing the X52 is a very fine stick and feels great. Of course from what I've heard it always has calibration problems amongst other things like broken hat switches and such. I think it's kind of sad that Saitek makes such low quality $100 plus joysticks that wear and tear so easily. CH FS might not feel quite as good as X52 but at least I know it won't break on me.
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It really blew me away to find out how much the molds cost to make and it's something that is relatively easy to fix in most cases, just wiggle the wire.
ack-ack
But it's been a fault since the first set of gameport ch pedals. They might save money that way, but they lost sales, my next pedals will be saiteks.
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I see a lot of guys saying how they lose calibration unless they use a powered USB hub.. Am I correct to assume you have more than a few USB devices?
I use almost all of my USB ports on the back of my system as well as the two on the side of the case(that are also connected straight to the mainboard) and I never have problems keeping calibration.. Are some onboard usb ports less powered than others?
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I'm guessing the X52 is a very fine stick and feels great. Of course from what I've heard it always has calibration problems amongst other things like broken hat switches and such. I think it's kind of sad that Saitek makes such low quality $100 plus joysticks that wear and tear so easily. CH FS might not feel quite as good as X52 but at least I know it won't break on me.
Superficially it's amazing. I love the loose tension, the macros you can make and the button availability..
shame about the rest.
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I use almost all of my USB ports on the back of my system as well as the two on the side of the case(that are also connected straight to the mainboard) and I never have problems keeping calibration.
I have a Saitek X52 Pro and seldom have calibration errors. The few times I have were for a slow drift of a GV gunsight. A quick recal in AH and good for a few more months.
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I use almost all of my USB ports on the back of my system as well as the two on the side of the case(that are also connected straight to the mainboard) and I never have problems keeping calibration.. Are some onboard usb ports less powered than others?
Well you probably have a large power supply. Trade that one in for 400 watts or less and you'll know what everyone is talking about.
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Well you probably have a large power supply. Trade that one in for 400 watts or less and you'll know what everyone is talking about.
Even a cheap large power supply is apt to have low amp rails.
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I prefer the X52. The handrest adjusts further up than most of the other joysticks do. My two youngest sons & I all need that.
I need another X52. Haven't looked into getting one, just been complaining that I don't have one and waiting for my husband to get it for me. :D
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I prefer the X52. The handrest adjusts further up than most of the other joysticks do. My two youngest sons & I all need that.
I need another X52. Haven't looked into getting one, just been complaining that I don't have one and waiting for my husband to get it for me. :D
:rofl :aok
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I'm guessing the X52 is a very fine stick and feels great. Of course from what I've heard it always has calibration problems amongst other things like broken hat switches and such. I think it's kind of sad that Saitek makes such low quality $100 plus joysticks that wear and tear so easily. CH FS might not feel quite as good as X52 but at least I know it won't break on me.
I went through a bunch of Saiteks before finally saying this is enough. Went to CH and haven't looked back.
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I went through a bunch of Saiteks before finally saying this is enough. Went to CH and haven't looked back.
I bought a factory reconditioned saitek x52 about 2 years ago and have not had a problem one. $80.00 with throttle.