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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Saxman on January 30, 2009, 10:25:13 AM
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Well, we have the "What do you fear most" thread, so now what do you personally find to be the most under-rated plane in the game?
I don't think anything in the set gets more overlooked than the FM-2. People look at the low speed, unremarkable rate of climb and lack of firepower and write her off as an easy target, I think partly coupled with the reputation the Wildcat had during WWII matched up against the Zero. Periodically I drop into the DA if I'm just looking for a quick fix, and after landing six scalps in a furball full of Tempests, Spits, 190s and N1K2s the other night the text buffer was going wild with "Wow's!" and "How did you do that's?!"
However she may be the toughest fighter in the game. I've come home after taking several solid hits from a 262's 30mm; or landed with half a wing shot off, no rudder, missing an elevator, and my engine smoking. She doesn't have the best climb rate but dives exceptionally well and has good E retention. She's also one of the most agile fighters at all speeds in the game. Rate of roll is solid, though not spectacular, and she'll out-turn everything but the Zero and maybe the Hurricane. There's a particular perverse pleasure in sticking it to the Spit drivers who think they can turn with anybody, and her agility makes her an incredibly difficult target, coupled with even cannon fire needing more than a snapshot to put her down.
The FM-2's firepower isn't great but even the 4 .50cal deserve respect, especially when she can create a tracking shot practically at will. Her biggest problem is speed. She can't catch or run from anything, but a lot of opponents seem more than willing to let her bleed them of E where she can get in close and carve them up.
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I agree the FM-2 and A6M5 are both underated. Another bird I always struggle against is the MC-202.
It seems every time I run into one of those it's being flown by some Honcho that's really good in it. :D
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Periodically I drop into the DA if I'm just looking for a quick fix, and after landing six scalps in a furball full of Tempests, Spits, 190s and N1K2s the other night the text buffer was going wild with "Wow's!" and "How did you do that's?!"
I imagine you could have done that in any plane except the RV8...well,maybe the RV8 too. :D
She can't catch or run from anything, but a lot of opponents seem more than willing to let her bleed them of E where she can get in close and carve them up.
Well, ya know, ya gotta chop throttle and try to match minimum turning radii with everything that comes along. 'Cause to do otherwise would be unmanly. :devil
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i have to say that FM-2 and F4F are a bit trickery to fight. They are a small target.
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Pony-B, FM2, KI-61 and 205.
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FM2, C205 and a few others I can't think of because I am on the phone with a client right now... :D
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Spitfire XVI :devil
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I agree with the list and love the fm-2 but want to add the ki-61-a great lil plane
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Funny you mention the FM2 Sax, as I absolutely have to agree.
After coming back to AH after a long haitus, I've found my air combat skills sorely lacking. Like, extremely lacking. No matter what plane I would get in, I'd likely die before even getting a shot off. In the FM2 I feel I have a chance, at least of avoiding insta-death and maybe even getting some payback. It's the only 1 of 2 aircraft I have a positive K:D ratio in. She's tough, dives like a hunk of lead, but can still turn like crazy, and even be effective if missing an aerilon.
Another aircraft I feel is underrated is the C.205. Has some speed, decent handling decent roll, and GREAT climb. I've got very close to a 1:1 K:D ratio (which, as I said, is practically a miracle). Not a very strong aircraft, and not dominating in any way, the guns package if patient is very potent, and it honestly holds enough speed that while isn't "fast" it feels quick. The great climb also means that if you can bleed the enemy E enough, you have an escape chance by climbing.
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FM2, C205 and a few others I can't think of because I am on the phone with a client right now... :D
Give him his money back.........
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FM2, C205 and a few others I can't think of because I am on the phone with a client right now... :D
sure you are...
:noid
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IN before
'lol u must learn not underrate plane UNDERATE PILOTS LMAO ITS PYLOTS NTO PLANES LMAO HAHA!!! :uhoh :uhoh' /drones
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what do you personally find to be the most under-rated plane in the game?
109-G6. I'd also agree with those who say that the Tony is underrated.
- oldman
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The Goon
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FM-2 is a flying Tank. It takes a alot of damage and keeps on flying. In the hands of someone like Slapshot... :salute
It's leathal.
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Do not listen to these people... the FM-2 sucks... don't even get in it.
:noid
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the fm2 is 1 of my favorite planes. in the right situation its deadly.low and slow :salute
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well I don't see them too often,never thought it was great or even good(never really flew it) but after reading this thread, I bet I will be in one in oh about 13 minutes.
I have -for the most part- put away my hurri2C, and have been trying planes I haven't flown in years, FM2 is next.
I also agree with the 205 being underrated.
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I also agree with the 205 being underrated.
Half the reason I don't fly it more than infrequently is that it's an enemy magnet. People see your C.205 and they immediately drop what they're doing to help gang.
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FM-2 is a flying Tank. It takes a alot of damage and keeps on flying. In the hands of someone like Slapshot... :salute
It's leathal.
:noid
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well I don't see them too often,never thought it was great or even good(never really flew it) but after reading this thread, I bet I will be in one in oh about 13 minutes.
I have -for the most part- put away my hurri2C, and have been trying planes I haven't flown in years, FM2 is next.
I also agree with the 205 being underrated.
ink ... you're gonna fall in love all over again.
Two things you will need to get use to ...
1) It can take a beating ... unlike the Hurr
2) Coming from a one-shot cannon killer to the .50 cal buzz saw is going to require some patience.
You'll get plenty of snapshots like the Hurri, but 98% of the time, the fight will not end there. So when you take the snapshot, expect the fight to continue and plan accordingly. Most times you will knock stuff off which helps in closing the deal.
Also, don't be afraid to hold down the trigger ... it carries plenty of .50 cal ammo so don't be stingy like you might be in a Hurri. Once you get use to .50 cal gunnery, the FM2 can easily take down 5+ bad guys down in a sortie. I bagged 7 the other night and still had about 100+ rounds left.
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1. C202
2. P-39D
3. Tie between P-39Q and F4U-1
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i fly alot with slap in the fm2's lots of fun
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agree with FM2. Its a killer. love it though.
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109-G6. I'd also agree with those who say that the Tony is underrated.
- oldman
Yes, I agree there. 109G-6 is so under rated because with any skill in the plane, you can out turn just about anything. Only problem that I have to fight in a G6 is a KI and not so much spits, and other 109s. I've got it down to a science, it takes six bullets, to take out any plane in the game, other than bombers.
Ki-61 is also a very under rated plane. I turns very well, and has a very good climb.
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Fm-2
P39's
Hateing life with one of these on your six.
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Jugs rule
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I would say the P-40 B or E . I have noticed lately that there are a few guys landing kills in the P-40 series . I love it myself , no speed , horrible climb , but a pleasure to fly and fight in , and can hold a bit of damage . Not enough motor to get you out of a tight spot or pull out low and slow on the ground in a turn fight but she's a fun old girl . And in the hands of a few of us die hards that fly it on occasion can surprise the heck outta someone .
On the C 205 its got great potential and can whup booty on occasion also , I see FM 2's a fair amount and its nice to see someone take them up . Good thread .
Nutte :rock :salute
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i'd say the n1k2 is underrated.
i think its cuz maybe alot of ppl think "jap plane = slow" or something.. nik CAN dive! and retains E well.. and turns... and has spray and pray magazines.. now if it could roll..................
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I think the A-20 is way underrated when flown skillfully in fighter mode.
You should be able to walk away from an FM-2 in almost any late war plane without too much trouble.
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Kill the FM2 first. :aok
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The FM2 is one of the best aircraft in Aceshigh2 i was in the winning group of KOTH in an FM2 and got both vanscrew and Bosco :)
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The Ki-84-Ia for sure, the thing's a beast!
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I love my Fm2,......Oh wait no,....Fm2 is a slob don't fly it. :rock
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Agree with the A20, flaps down and no bombs it can TURN!. Oh and the Mossie
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FM2 is a tidy turner. if you throw it into DA Furball you're always gonna walk away with a kill or 5. Then again, throw anything into there and you walk away with a kill.... even an rv8. :rolleyes:
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i'd say the n1k2 is underrated.
i think its cuz maybe alot of ppl think "jap plane = slow" or something.. nik CAN dive! and retains E well.. and turns... and has spray and pray magazines.. now if it could roll..................
By the numbers the N1K's energy retention is mediocre, and comparable to the 109 series. The Ki-61 is actually ~12% more efficient with energy retention than the N1K. The N1K's dive acceleration is nothing special, either.
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Agree with the A20, flaps down and no bombs it can TURN!. Oh and the Mossie
Yeah, the Mossie is a nasty bird. Prolly has the best gun package of them all and can turn very well. Now if the flame dampers would be removed...oh my...
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Sax in an FM2 = surprise trip to tower.
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109F4
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P40, Some of my best fights are in these. As long as you go in with altitude and keep your speed up its a great plane. It can take a heck of a lot of damage too. The on problem with it is that everybody sees it as an easy kill and you will quickly get ganged. As long as you finish the fight before its gets low and slow its a great plane.
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The Ki-84-Ia for sure, the thing's a beast!
Yeah, but I wouldn't say it's underated.
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I love my FM-2, even gave it a nick name. I call her stubby (http://www.messengerfreak.com/emoticons/love/falling4353.gif)
(http://www.bluejacket.com/usn/images/ac/f/fm2_general-motors_wildcat_cve29santee_1944..jpg) 57 Kills in her this month
Another favorite of late is becoming the Ki-61, only 11 in the main so far but just started with her there.
Elongated nose to house the cannon and fairly decent MG has a high rate of fire and can turn well.
(http://www.j-aircraft.com/artwork/graham_ward/KI61_Tony.jpg)
LAst favorite fun plane to fly would be the C.202. (http://www.airplanemodelworks.com/images/medium/macchi-c-202-folgore-model-plane_m.jpg)
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the fm2=the buzzzzzsaw
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By the numbers the N1K's energy retention is mediocre, and comparable to the 109 series. The Ki-61 is actually ~12% more efficient with energy retention than the N1K. The N1K's dive acceleration is nothing special, either.
well.. it SEEMS good to me :) :)
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Under-rated.....
Boston III: Gives the A-20G a whuppin' (and a significant number of fighters too).
SBD: Out turns the FM-2 quite easily... Ask Slapshot. Shot down a 262 with one....
TBM: Matches the Hurri IIC in turn radius. Killed jets with this thing... Dives well.
P-39Q: Surprisingly fast. Lethal pumpkin gun. Good maneuverability above 200 mph. Lousy flaps.
P-38L: Used primarily as a bomb truck. I prefer it to the J for its faster roll rate. In the hands of an expert, as dangerous as they come.
P-40E: It's really a P-40K, E models didn't have WEP. With some altitude (potential E), very dangerous.
P-47N: Untouchable up high.
BF 110C: Shocking low-speed maneuverability. Just adequate guns.
SpitIX: Not widely used since the Mk.XVI and Mk.VIII arrived. Not as fast down low, doesn't climb as well either. Gets better as it goes up. Above 25k, it's one of the most dangerous fighters in the game.
Future under-rated...
B239 Brewster. Wing loading nestled in between A6M2 and Mk.V Spitfire. Combined with high CLmax, the Buffalo should be big trouble in a low-speed fight.
My regards,
Widewing
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(http://www.airplanemodelworks.com/images/medium/macchi-c-202-folgore-model-plane_m.jpg)
That looks like a Ki-61 disguised as a C.202! :lol
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My Vote would have to go to the P-40
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Having read countless posts about how no one skilled is ever found in the cockpit of a Spit16 or La7, and how every stick worth his salt eats large groups of Spit16s and La7s for breakfast in any crate you want to name, including Fw-190 A-8s, Stukas, Storchs, and from the rear cockpit of a Stearman with a .22 pistol, some little voice in the back of my mind begins to scream "Thou dost protest too much....", thus my choice for these two airplanes.