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Help and Support Forums => Help and Training => Topic started by: Serenity on January 31, 2009, 02:16:55 AM
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Hey, I was hoping someone out there might be willing to give me a hand. Im looking for someone to fly with me, and help me learn the more advanced aspects of dogfighting. Ive tried going into the DA with some of the better sticks, and unfortunately ive been told I'm at the point where im not a great stick, but I'm beyond the point where they can help me. And yet no matter how I practice, I really havn't gotten any better.
My main ride is the Bf-109 again. When I really started struggling again I figured it would be best to return to my roots, so im back in my Messerschmitt. I've been giving the G2 a go lately. I don't want to learn the art of picking, or boom-and-zoom, but rather how to really fight in that, or really any aircraft.
Is anyone available to do some hands-on training every now and then? Or at least review some films and tell me where Im screwing up? Thank you in advance!
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Rather fly k4's but next time you see me on pm me. I'll duel you for a good hour or so
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Rather fly k4's but next time you see me on pm me. I'll duel you for a good hour or so
K-4s are fine with me. I think I do a fair bit better in those than Gs. I just saw you online a few minutes ago, are you still on?
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Just checking the forums before going to bed. I should be on at this time tomorrow night.
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The best advice I think anyone can give you is to find out what name Bighorn is using right now and track him down. Not only is he a pretty good pilot, but he's also a very good teacher.
The next best thing is just spend a lot of time spent in the DA.
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Hey Serenity, what's this I hear about me stick stirrin? :noid
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Hey Serenity, what's this I hear about me stick stirrin? :noid
lol. You were stirrin up and down all over! And that certainly didn't help my horrible aim! (I ran out of cannon ammo about 10 seconds before you ran out of fuel).
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I was flyen a FW190 A8 as the ENY was 26. As I don't fly 190's often I may have been a bit aggressive rolling and wigglin on the deck. Sri...didn't mean to stick stir.
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I was flyen a FW190 A8 as the ENY was 26. As I don't fly 190's often I may have been a bit aggressive rolling and wigglin on the deck. Sri...didn't mean to stick stir.
Thats okay, but when your aim is as bad as mine, every movement makes it hell! Why wouldn't you just fly straight so I could shoot you?!? :furious
Back on topic, ive been doing some work with Scotch, are there any third-party pilots willing to review films and catch any errors of mine he might miss in the heat of the fight?
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Hey Serenity,
Some tips in a 109, keep it fast! Remember, the 109's can reduce it's speed VERY FAST, and you can sustain the plane just well under 100mph, It may not sound much, but not every plane can reduce it's speed so fast. I Understand that you don't want to learn bnz, well, this plane was mostly created for that. But, you can have a good dogfight with many planes. In a dogfight, when you are fighting, and you are low on speed, or in a stall, try ALWAYS to turn LEFT. Or reduce throttle and then turn right. Don't be afraid to stall the plane, as you already know, the plane can recover in seconds or less. When in a dogfight, don't get low with a better turning opponent, because if you do that, it will end up in a circle, and he is pulling the stick back hitting flaps like mad, and so do you, he will win in a short time if you keep it like this. When you are above the enemy in a fight ( a loop for example ), reduce the throttle to 0 and drop on his head, the pick up speed fast, follow his tail. There are many tips i could show you, when you see me on-line, tell me to go in DA with you. <S> !
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I'm curious as to who had the audacity to say that to you Serenity. Personally, I prefer the 109F4, I use it 99% of the time. Engine performance is almost to the Gustavs, it is tougher to compress and it turns great.
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Keep dueling better pilots. Film what happens. Try to figure out what you could have done better every time you die.
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Keep dueling better pilots. Film what happens. Try to figure out what you could have done better every time you die.
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Stop by the DA next weekend if you can, Serenity... I plan on getting my butt handed to me by some people there then, and I'm sure they wouldn't mind beating up on you too :)
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Hey Serenity,
Some tips in a 109, keep it fast! Remember, the 109's can reduce it's speed VERY FAST, and you can sustain the plane just well under 100mph, It may not sound much, but not every plane can reduce it's speed so fast. I Understand that you don't want to learn bnz, well, this plane was mostly created for that. But, you can have a good dogfight with many planes. In a dogfight, when you are fighting, and you are low on speed, or in a stall, try ALWAYS to turn LEFT. Or reduce throttle and then turn right. Don't be afraid to stall the plane, as you already know, the plane can recover in seconds or less. When in a dogfight, don't get low with a better turning opponent, because if you do that, it will end up in a circle, and he is pulling the stick back hitting flaps like mad, and so do you, he will win in a short time if you keep it like this. When you are above the enemy in a fight ( a loop for example ), reduce the throttle to 0 and drop on his head, the pick up speed fast, follow his tail. There are many tips i could show you, when you see me on-line, tell me to go in DA with you. <S> !
Only keep the 109 Fast in a Target rich Environment. The 109 isn't a 190. It cannot take accuracy shots going above 375IAS because the elevators get super heavy making adjusting your shots difficult. Keep it fast but do not be scared to slow her down and mix it up. Keep the fights nose up and in the verticle in the G2 and if you start getting saddled, start rolling and turning. Always try to toss your enemy in a scissors and let your flaps, throttle, and rudder take over. G2 is one of the best scissors aircraft because she can bleed speed very easily and often able to stall your opponent out with a nose up scissors. Just make sure while you're in scissoring if it gets to stall point fights, hard right rudder to keep the nose level or she will wing over.
I prefer the G6 for knife fighting because the G2 is unstable at those speeds and will wing over if you push it too far. Just put the 109 in every situation possible, that's how i learn. I'm learning the 190 now and i've been turning with it, slow dogfighting, the works and i've actually start to see good results. Even taking down muppets in her :O :O :O so just film, review, learn and you'll be good to go. :aok
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Any time any of you want to duel k4's (again), let me know.
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Any time any of you want to duel k4's (again), let me know.
Yessir! That was great fun! Are you available around 0400 GMT anytime soon?
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I'll probably be on tomorrow.
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Hey, I was hoping someone out there might be willing to give me a hand. Im looking for someone to fly with me, and help me learn the more advanced aspects of dogfighting. Ive tried going into the DA with some of the better sticks, and unfortunately ive been told I'm at the point where im not a great stick, but I'm beyond the point where they can help me.
who ever told you that was wrong, every fight is a benitfit to both people playing.
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who ever told you that was wrong, every fight is a benitfit to both people playing.
I think what was meant was that they couldn't give any pointers. Of course, you should know, lol. You said it to me after a few duels in P-47D-11s a few months back.
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I had an inkling thats who you were refering to. What i said was, me giving pointers only has value untill the first time you fight someone who flies different to me. That for anyone to learn dogfighting fully they would have to fight as many people as possible and as regularly as possible.
Ive tried going into the DA with some of the better sticks, and unfortunately ive been told I'm at the point where im not a great stick, but I'm beyond the point where they can help me.
Are you trying to convince yourself that i said something like this quote above? that kind of patronising setance to blow your self confidence ....and...'beyond the point where they can help me'....is the kind of person you think i am? You have a very creative imagination mate, unless this was a quote from someone else. :huh
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I had an inkling thats who you were refering to. What i said was, me giving pointers only has value untill the first time you fight someone who flies different to me. That for anyone to learn dogfighting fully they would have to fight as many people as possible and as regularly as possible.
Are you trying to convince yourself that i said something like this quote above? that kind of patronising setance to blow your self confidence ....and...'beyond the point where they can help me'....is the kind of person you think i am? You have a very creative imagination mate, unless this was a quote from someone else. :huh
Nosir, that's a paraphrase of a sentence I have heard from many different people. You were more optimistic. It's not that I am told I'm bad, but I guess what they mean is I don't need to be taught the basics, I just need more experience behind the stick, which fits much more with what you in particular said. Then there's the "There's not much I can help you with, just keep at it" and "I don't know how I do it, I just do" that I tend to get a lot. Check PMs for a more specific response.
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When it comes to teaching people how to fight, I for one have a pretty limited technical knowledge base, and my time and interest level keeps me from expanding on that too drastically.
When I'm teaching someone to fight, I'm doing it in "layman's terms" because that's quite simply how I know it. I've read loads of books, etc, on the subject, and have some basic ideas of what I'm trying to do/replicate, but I'll admit I'm far from an expert.
Mainly, when I'm teaching I'm very quick to recognize weaknesses/mistakes that I can capitolize on. Most of my training has to do with pointing those mistakes out to my "student" and describing/showing/teaching "better" methods that will eliminate or at least limit things that I would capitolize on in a fight. I'm essentially teaching my student's (or attempting to teach) to beat me.
When a student reaches a point where they're equal to me, or exceed my abilities, I'm "out of ideas" for the most part, and can't teach them much beyond that...
Fortunately (for my ego?) I haven't had that happen all that much- but I'll be the first to admit I'm not "expert" quality...
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The secret (IMO) isn't in the teacher...its in the student. 1 on 1 ACM is wonderfully complex and very subtle differences can have huge effects. I think Bat and I know each other exceptionally well but every single fight I learn something new. I often find myself waiting on bat...who's waiting on me as we both creep up (we seem to fly forever up at 65IAS) or flutter down (again often at falling leaf speeds) only to split and re merge. Doesnt matter if I go E or he goes angles...once again cockeyed, nose up, shuddering...loaded, unloaded in a tail slide 75 feet away looking to see what his rudder is doing as we start to tumble...
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ok good, thanks for clearing that up for me :salute
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Take their advice and track down Bighorn. I think the weeks I spent with Bighorn in the DA were the best I've ever been at dogfighting.