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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Getback on January 31, 2009, 08:19:40 AM
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Not real good here in Indiana from my point of view. I was lucky to find 2 jobs to apply for this week. I've been thinking of relocating. So I was wondering how things were in other states.
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Well North Dakota isn't terrific, but we are ducking much of the storm thats leveling the rest of the country.
Probably wouldn't want to live here though.
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East Tennessee isn't fairing well at all. I was laid off this past Monday. My wife was laid off yesterday (Friday.) Same week. Both of these were without warning :( I have been to the local Career Center and had to actually make an appointment to file for benefits as there are so many people filing in my area. We were both in manufacturing. She was in Pharmaceutical and I was a plastic extrusion operator.
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alabama is going through a real slow down-my company has 9 plants and most are having voluntary layoffs.my plant has cut back to 30 hours a week.this part of the country is becoming a big auto manufacturing state.we have honda.mercedes,kia and hundai.Krupp steel is building the worlds largest mill in mobile.It is a good place to live as there are alot of jobs but it is slow right now
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Not real good here in Indiana from my point of view. I was lucky to find 2 jobs to apply for this week. I've been thinking of relocating. So I was wondering how things were in other states.
i was in central florida last weekend,.......looks like there's lots of construction going on in the claremont area. might be worth looking into.
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I know my area of florida at least is getting a huge boost from the superbowl
just waking up from some of the parties last night, saw loads of players and celebrities, city of tampa was alive like I've never seen it before.
Also a few months back on my side of tampa bay we had the World Series in St. Petersburg, as well as two college bowl games, so tourism is way up around here, which is a big chunk of our economy.
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Texas usually is immune to slow downs unless they last 3 years or more. I have heard of several companies slowing down in the area though. My company is as busy as ever. Most of my employees are still 50 to 60 hours a week. We pride ourself on diversification just for those times the economy takes a dump.
A lot of companies concerened about BO and his inexperience as to what makes this country tick. Looking right now as if folks sitting on their can at home will be making as much as a lot of folks working their tails off. If that happens then production will about cease as the working folks will just go home and sit too.
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for Kansas being in the midwest, we are at a slow pace. but once the economic catches up out here, its real slow and not as bad. the only big layoff i have seen is Cessna that let go 6,400. that is a bad sign for the aviation.
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Pennsylvania is hurting a bit. New construction is almost nill, industries are slowing production or ceasing to exist.( or moving out of state) many/most companys are going thru layoffs. This one hit us a bit hard i fear. I work in the insurance industry
(property) and we just closed one of our largest offices leaving 600 out of work.
Business goes thru these cycles ( this worse than most ) but some how folks like me and you dig our heels in and pull out of it. Fingers crossed for everyone its affecting now, and i hope everyone bounces back soon.
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Worst in the United States.
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for Kansas being in the midwest, we are at a slow pace. but once the economic catches up out here, its real slow and not as bad. the only big layoff i have seen is Cessna that let go 6,400. that is a bad sign for the aviation.
NOT intended as a hijack, but i heard that the skycatcher is being built in china? that would hurt them a bit i'd imagine.
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Wing Commander just took delivery of a brand new 182, complete with the G1000 and all. he said he was very impressed with their facalities out there.
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The expected economic downturn for last quarter of 2008 was alledged to be 7-8% but the actual was 3.4% and thats with the newspapers and televisions inciting panic on every show and every edition. If the press/media had reported news instead of spreading opinion and turning it into panic the downturn would have been much less. You can guess what is driving it.
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With the low quality output of china I'd never dream of buying anything like a plane or car from there.
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NOT intended as a hijack, but i heard that the skycatcher is being built in china? that would hurt them a bit i'd imagine.
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Wing Commander just took delivery of a brand new 182, complete with the G1000 and all. he said he was very impressed with their facalities out there.
Yea, not happy about that.
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With the low quality output of china I'd never dream of buying anything like a plane or car from there.
Agreed.... There's a big difference between Made In Taiwan, Japan, Philippines and Made in China...
The aforementioned countries are westernized and have western ethics and manufacturing processes as
well as quality control. China has none of these.. Chinese products I have seen or had are poorly made,
poorly assembled, and use poor materials.. The Chinese version of capitalism is as follows:
Make as many as possible, as quickly as possibly, as cheaply as possible, forgo quality control(too time consuming
and too expensive), never include any kind of usable warranty, and rest assured that if one guy is
unhappy with your cheap product(usually a knock-off/rip-off of something else), 100 other idiots are standing in
line to buy them anyway(due to the inherently attractive price).
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With the low quality output of china I'd never dream of buying anything like a plane or car from there.
Oh they make loads of quality and high end products too, but when it comes to cars id agree. They have yet to reach a high enough standard, but in a few years they will prolly be there.
First attempts at something like cars is usually poor, but from there they can get to good quality real fast when they are over the first learning curve. Its the step from good quality everyday cars to high end/leading design that is the hard bit. If the ecomony in the developed world plunges even further im pretty sure many good designers and engeneers that used to work here would not mind taking on work in china if the offer is decent or even present.
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With the low quality output of china I'd never dream of buying anything like a plane or car from there.
same here.
my goal is to own my own aircraft in the next 5 years. i was going for either a 152 or a 172. then i heard about the skycatcher, and figured i could find a way to afford that and have a brand new one. then i hear about them building em in china......now i'm back to looking at 152's and 172's.
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The economy in Michigan has been in the crapper for years. You all are just catching up with us. I can't comment on my theories as to why without getting modded or getting the thread locked and that's all I've got to say about that.
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im in central florida and while it hasnt been REAL bad it has been detrimental.
most of the big companies that relied on loans and credit got slapped and either closed down or went into skeleton-staff mode. I was laid off Nov4 from one such company.
However other sectors are still strong. Tourism is one of the main things around here and rule of thumb is that even in the bad times people will still take vacations...they'll just get them cheaper.
which is why many of the big megacorporations are suffering so much. They cannot sustain their spending level in marketing and infrastructure to top their competitors because the consumer is buying from the smaller, less bling competitor that offers about the same for much less.
I get the feeling that the one good thing of this economic crash is that the big companies will be fading and maybe the middle-sized and small sized bussineses will sprout to replace them. (and much later on be absorbed by the big ones.. its a cycle).
One of the things that impressed me the most when I visited Japan was just how many small and local bussinesses and shops there were... for example there's hardly a 'supermarket' or walmart type store; there's hundreds of little shops all over the place selling the stuff. A grocery mart in one corner, a 7-11 like store in another, a veggie/produce shop down the street, a mini-meat mart on the other side..
just amazing. big companies handling the distribution but private shop owners handling the retail.
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The economy in Michigan has been in the crapper for years. You all are just catching up with us. I can't comment on my theories as to why without getting modded or getting the thread locked and that's all I've got to say about that.
Michigan, like California, keeps trying to tax itself into prosperity. I took a SALT class (Sales and Local Taxation) after studying Michigan I said my gawd that is just awful. They have so many tax laws it is unbelievable. The professor said yes but California is worse.
Michigan is a beautiful state just too bad they can't get their act together.
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Maryland (well, at least the 95 corridor) is doing fairly well. There are a lot of government jobs in the DC/MD/N. VA area that pay well and are stable. Not much in the way of manufacturing here anymore, so that isn't hurting.
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Sucks.
Look who the governor was and that will give you an idea......
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All those good paying, stable government jobs won't make things better. Today, about half of all American workers are employed by, or selling some product or service to local, state or the federal government, or they are getting some transfer payment. Think about it. Is someone in your household or family in that situation?
Two generations ago, federal employees had stable, but not well-paid careers. It was the trade off that came with what used to be called "Civil Service." People sacrificed earnings and even the right to vote to be "civil service" workers and serve their country without political interference.
One generation back, politicians created a new constituency by repealing parts of the Hatch Act to allow federal employees to vote and promised to raise the compensation in exchange for votes from their new constituents. Big government supporters became entrenched in congress.
This generation of government employees are like an aristocracy, or a ruling class. Their compensation is more than the private sector now. They never have efficiency gains and are unproductive. Improved efficiencies and productivity are important elements of economic recoveries. Recoveries can only happen when unproductive activity is replaced by efficient activity.
Profit is a reward the comes from efficient production or sales of goods or services that are in demand within a free market. Government demand is not a free market demand because the buyer isn't using the reward from any profitable endeavor to pay for the product or service.
Now, I know all of you government employees, retirees, contractors and people working for businesses that depend on government contracts for your jobs won't like what I wrote. I can understand how people seek stability and defend their government work as doing something of "service" to their country. But, if you step back away from your own position and take a holistic look at economics and history, you'll see that the major contributing factor in the fall of the Soviet Union was the inefficient economic model of a massive government bureaucracy to build and maintain a military. The malinvestment in government, by government, made no investment money available for businesses that could be productive in creating a consumer and non-military industrial economy. It is that productive, market economy that creates wealth, not government.
The US is very close to that same situation that the USSR was in.
I feel badly for all of you who have lost your jobs. I'm glad that I'm not young or have a house full of kids now. There is something to be learned from even the worst financial situation, and that is that you should have, and must, save money. If you've been in the workforce for ten years, you should have enough savings to last you 1 year without any reduction in standard of living. You should have 2 years of annual salary saved if you're forty years old. If you don't have that savings, then you had better learn your lesson and pledge to yourself that you will never, ever not save again.
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I don't disagree with you. I was very surprised when I started with the Army that the salaries were quite competitive with "industry".
My starting salary wasn't high (especially for Md) at just under 38k, but most of the folks who have worked for the government for 20 years are making around 100k. I could probably do about as well (with less stability) if I had gone forward with my original plan to be an actuary - better if I passed a lot of the tests, but I really value the security here.
As far as the direction of the country goes, I don't feel very optimistic. I think that over the course of my life I'll see the standard of living in the US go down until it hits that of the third world coming up. There just aren't very many jobs left in the country that pay well, the most prevalent job in most of the states is "cashier/retail sales". I think that pretty soon the US will be a "Wal-mart Nation", with a bunch of minimum wage workers spending their salaries where they work and never 'getting ahead'.