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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Spikes on January 31, 2009, 10:28:19 AM
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Hi all
I'm looking for a small free keylogger. Maybe one that takes screenshots too? I just need something that is easily hidden as well.
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Do you mind me asking why you need a keylogger? Most people will naturally assume you're attempting to steal personal data of another user on your or another person's computer.
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Do you mind me asking why you need a keylogger? Most people will naturally assume you're attempting to steal personal data of another user on your or another person's computer.
That's what I am thinking.
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Do you mind me asking why you need a keylogger? Most people will naturally assume you're attempting to steal personal data of another user on your or another person's computer.
Ditto and that is jacked if so.
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While it could be stealing, I doubt someone here is that stupid.
More likely options would be if an employee(s) is doing something not allowed during the work hours, or a child is accessing sites not appropriate to them.
Almost sounds like he wants proof of something (hence wanting pictures and wanting it to be hidden).
I know of no key loggers as all of them I have searched for in the past ended up having a virus, not saying there isn't one though.
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While it could be stealing, I doubt someone here is that stupid.
More likely options would be if an employee(s) is doing something not allowed during the work hours, or a child is accessing sites not appropriate to them.
Almost sounds like he wants proof of something (hence wanting pictures and wanting it to be hidden).
I know of no key loggers as all of them I have searched for in the past ended up having a virus, not saying there isn't one though.
Then give a wee bit of info on why it is needed.
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Do you mind me asking why you need a keylogger? Most people will naturally assume you're attempting to steal personal data of another user on your or another person's computer.
No, I have a feeling someone on my gaming computer is doing a little snooping around, not sure what for, but I'd like to find out what. No I'm not stealing anything.
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No, I have a feeling someone on my gaming computer is doing a little snooping around, not sure what for, but I'd like to find out what. No I'm not stealing anything.
How many people have access to your gaming computer, and what could you have to hide that someone might be looking for?
When my kids wanted to move their computer to their rooms (out of the family room) I gave the ok with the stipulation I had access any time to anything. They didn't need key loggers because they could sit there and watch me look through anything on their computers. Being a kid you don't have any privacy yet :D
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I know a site that sells a physically keylogger that hooks up to a PS/2 keyboard so it won't work for laptops. But the key-word here is sell so it's not free like you asked unfortunately. I never really looked around for them so I don't know what a decent price is for them but this one retails at just about $60 even.
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No, I have a feeling someone on my gaming computer is doing a little snooping around, not sure what for, but I'd like to find out what. No I'm not stealing anything.
Simple solution... go into BIOS and PW the machine before it will boot. No snooping
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FUGITIVE: Did you know that KIDS HAVE ACCESS TO AND USE WORKAROUNDS for cleaning all history, E-mails, and Messenger files? Even bypassing filters you may have installed on a given machine. Remember you are not dealing with just your kids. They are exposed to How many Kids at school who as a group are better informed than you are about workarounds. Having them in their rooms is completely irresponsible as a parent. I am amazed the lack of parental control some parents exercise when it comes to computers. In my home, if one of my kids are going over or visiting a friends I go over and meet the parents along with asking what kind of access they have on the computer. If the computer is in a private area, like a bedroom No visit will happen in that house. It is our job to protect our children from what exist out there for as long as they are juveniles.
I AM NOT writing this to chastise you and your parenting, I wrote this to stimulate some thought. My statements about parenting are General statements.
FOR WHY SPIKES needs a key logger I hope he has a god reason. Its not our business why. If we want to help, then help. If not then don't.
KIDS ARE NOT TO BE OUR BEST FRIENDS. WE are parents first. A wonderful loving relationship will grow beyond any friendship if as a parent, we Hold that line. For those that do not have that I really feel for you. Is a great place to be with your children.
QUALIFICATIONS? I have sole custody of a 14 yr old Boy, 13 yr old Girl and a 6yr old Boy. Its not a perfect home but my kids Know I WILL FOLLOW through with my discipline and rules.
KAM
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Heh if my kid is smart enough to hide his porn browsing from me he can enjoy it as far as Im concerned :)
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Simple solution... go into BIOS and PW the machine before it will boot. No snooping
So long as the kids don't know how to reset a CMOS, it's unlikely though and something of this sort should be pretty obvious if it's done.
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Heh if my kid is smart enough to hide his porn browsing from me he can enjoy it as far as Im concerned :)
WOW that is a statement from one without kids..I HOPE..
KAM
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WOW that is a statement from one without kids..I HOPE..
KAM
Porn is educational, if you want your kids to be porn stars!
As for the logger, yes.. there is plenty. I'd like to make an enquiry on the reasons first though...
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I used a hardware keylogger called 'Keykatcher' when I was monitoring what my nephew was doing online.
(http://www.keykatcher.com/images2/64k-keylogger.jpg)
I shrink wrapped it to the cord for the keyboard, even if he found it, I would know if he played with it.
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Simple solution... go into BIOS and PW the machine before it will boot. No snooping
Or a Windows logon password? The last 3 mainboards I owned only offered a password into the BIOS, not for a general boot.
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I just noticed when I got home today there were a few windows open in various folders on my HDD's. Don't know what they're looking for, but 3 other people have access to it.
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One thing to consider if you have a Webcam may be Motion activated Security. Two I have are BananaFace and Dorgem.
BananaFace is a Facial Recognition to access the computer. Dorgem is a program that will take a picture of someone accessing your Computer by using the webcam to snap a photo using motion activation.
One Keylogger I have seen, is ReFrog, it seems to do what you wanted, but it is a 14 day trial, and cost 40$ fir full program. After trying it a little tonight it seems decent, and fully hidden.
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One thing to consider if you have a Webcam may be Motion activated Security. Two I have are BananaFace and Dorgem.
BananaFace is a Facial Recognition to access the computer. Dorgem is a program that will take a picture of someone accessing your Computer by using the webcam to snap a photo using motion activation.
One Keylogger I have seen, is ReFrog, it seems to do what you wanted, but it is a 14 day trial, and cost 40$ fir full program. After trying it a little tonight it seems decent, and fully hidden.
Yeah I saw ReFrog.
Also no, I don't have a web cam hooked up to it.
I'll have to try this ReFrog thing out, I know a lot of the Keyloggers out there are scams so I'm trying to be careful.
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Well after using using ReFrog, I didn't see it anywhere on the taskbar or task manager, was hidden well.
It keeps logs very well. I had it open when typing a message here, viewed logs and it was recorded word for word, no errors.
It says it can take pictures, unsure of it means the people or the screen, but it has the option.
To open it you have to know it is installed, as you have to go to Start>Run>Program-name.
I have not seen any spyware warnings pop up from Spybot S&S, AVG, Windows or Ad-Aware, so it seems safe.
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No, I have a feeling someone on my gaming computer is doing a little snooping around, not sure what for, but I'd like to find out what. No I'm not stealing anything.
Why does he have to give info. It kinda is a straight foward question. I would think its the individuals business and not mine.
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I am still wondering why in our forums some would instantly suggest a member was trying to get the keylogger to steal? Sheesh you guys should be ashamed of yourselves.
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I am still wondering why in our forums some would instantly suggest a member was trying to get the keylogger to steal? Sheesh you guys should be ashamed of yourselves.
Can I borrow your SSN and your bank account information? I need it for a project. Promise.
What references do I have of this persons character other than what he types on the intardnet. I don't know them in person so what makes you think we should automatically trust anyone on these forums?
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WOW that is a statement from one without kids..I HOPE..
KAM
Porn never caused me any harm. If I had kids as long as they weren't looking at really weird watermelon or filling my computers with viruses I'm not sure I would care.
A teenage boy is going to fap no matter what you do. Looking at some gash on your computer screen isn't going to change anything.
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I am still wondering why in our forums some would instantly suggest a member was trying to get the keylogger to steal? Sheesh you guys should be ashamed of yourselves.
Because a keylogger will reveal none of what he stated he is concerned about. Back under your rock please...
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I just noticed when I got home today there were a few windows open in various folders on my HDD's. Don't know what they're looking for, but 3 other people have access to it.
Simpliest solution: Create user accounts to all three persons and make your own folders private through ntfs security. No more snooping.
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http://www.download.com/KeyScrambler-Personal/3000-2144_4-10571274.html?tag=mncol
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I just noticed when I got home today there were a few windows open in various folders on my HDD's. Don't know what they're looking for, but 3 other people have access to it.
You still havn't answered the question.... what are you afraid they will find? If your not afraid because you didn't hide anything, then why worry about it in the first place. If it is "your computer" not moms or dads and your in a house other than your parents or guardian, like with roommates and such then you may have reason to lock down your computer.
Kamori, I have two sons, neither got to take his computer out of the family area untill they were over 16. Both of my sons know that I will follow through with my discipline and rules as well. I too have met the parents of my kids friends. Being a parent not only means we must "protect" our children, it also means we must teach our children right and wrong, and then we must...at some point let them fly and TRUST them to do what is right. By the time they were 16 both, in mine and my wifes opinion had earned the "privilege" <--- note the word there... to move their computer into their rooms. The idea that they may hide stuff, or would let their friends hide stuff would never cross their minds because they had been taught what was right, and the consequences should something go wrong. I agree that there is a lot of poor parenting out there, but rest assured it didn't happen in my house. I hope that you too continue to watch over yours, but remember trust is a two way street even when it comes to kids. If they earn it, you have to give it.
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You still havn't answered the question.... what are you afraid they will find? If your not afraid because you didn't hide anything, then why worry about it in the first place. If it is "your computer" not moms or dads and your in a house other than your parents or guardian, like with roommates and such then you may have reason to lock down your computer.
I don't have anything to hide to my knowledge, but I'm not sure since it was quite random. Maybe they think something that I'm not thinking of, not entirely sure.
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I don't have anything to hide to my knowledge, but I'm not sure since it was quite random. Maybe they think something that I'm not thinking of, not entirely sure.
User accounts are there to be used.. So create separate user profiles for everyone and you no longer have a problem. If you're the owner of the box you can give admin privileges only to yourself and hide your pr0n or whatever is to be hidden in a private folder.
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You still havn't answered the question.... what are you afraid they will find? If your not afraid because you didn't hide anything, then why worry about it in the first place. If it is "your computer" not moms or dads and your in a house other than your parents or guardian, like with roommates and such then you may have reason to lock down your computer.
I don't know about him, but I dont have anything to hide on my computer, but I would damned sure wanna know why someone was snooping around it. In fact, the lack of something to hide makes it even more concerning that someone is looking through it.
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I don't know about him, but I dont have anything to hide on my computer, but I would damned sure wanna know why someone was snooping around it. In fact, the lack of something to hide makes it even more concerning that someone is looking through it.
Same here...it could even be something that they don't think is good. Basically I just want to know what files they're going through, I'd rather not block it off to them because they'd get quite suspicious.
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Same here...it could even be something that they don't think is good. Basically I just want to know what files they're going through, I'd rather not block it off to them because they'd get quite suspicious.
lol. You and I think alike. If you lock it, you never get to know what they were looking for.
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Well with what little info your giving its hard to understand whats going on. If you were my kid and you suspected either me, "mom", or your brother is messing with the computer your best bet would be to ask your folks if they had. If they have been say ok and its all done, if not you might ask them to ask your brother if he's been messing with it and why?
Here in my house all of this would be ok and if it wasn't one of us parent type I'd have my other son hanging over the hot coals to find out what hes up to. On the other hand if I found a keylogger, or was locked out of one of my sons computers the solution would be easy. I'd unplug it, bring it out back, and cut it in half with a chainsaw, and then return it to his room. He would then buy his own computer AFTER he got his own apartment.
Just because a computer is in your room, our you bought it with your own money, doesn't make it yours if you still live at home. Now if your away at college and your worried about a room mate, or others roaming through your room I'd say you have a case.
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Well with what little info your giving its hard to understand whats going on. If you were my kid and you suspected either me, "mom", or your brother is messing with the computer your best bet would be to ask your folks if they had. If they have been say ok and its all done, if not you might ask them to ask your brother if he's been messing with it and why?
Here in my house all of this would be ok and if it wasn't one of us parent type I'd have my other son hanging over the hot coals to find out what hes up to. On the other hand if I found a keylogger, or was locked out of one of my sons computers the solution would be easy. I'd unplug it, bring it out back, and cut it in half with a chainsaw, and then return it to his room. He would then buy his own computer AFTER he got his own apartment.
Just because a computer is in your room, our you bought it with your own money, doesn't make it yours if you still live at home. Now if your away at college and your worried about a room mate, or others roaming through your room I'd say you have a case.
Are we just assuming spikes is a kid and its his parents? Or has he said he's a kid?
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I'm going by my memory..... which I'm sure is failing with the rest of me... But I think I remember him saying he was young.
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I'm going by my memory..... which I'm sure is failing with the rest of me... But I think I remember him saying he was young.
Yes I am, but I bought & built my computer on my own and with my own money. I suppose I'll just leave it be, seeing as I looked through it yesterday and seemingly have nothing to hide.
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A teenage boy is going to fap no matter what you do. Looking at some gash on your computer screen isn't going to change anything.
Ah thanks, you have a certain way of putting things ever so succinctly yet eloquently at the same time. I needed a new sig.
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Hahaha. I am glad to be of service.
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Can I borrow your SSN and your bank account information? I need it for a project. Promise.
What references do I have of this persons character other than what he types on the intardnet. I don't know them in person so what makes you think we should automatically trust anyone on these forums?
Don't answer it. Better to be quiet than imply a person may be looking to steal.
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Do you mind me asking why you need a keylogger? Most people will naturally assume you're attempting to steal personal data of another user on your or another person's computer.
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could be he wants to track his kids?
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could be he wants to track his kids?
Cept a keylogger won't do that.
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Simpliest solution: Create user accounts to all three persons and make your own folders private through ntfs security. No more snooping.
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also make your account the only administrator account on the box, the others should be limited. if you do need to use it, Blazing Tools Perfect Keylogger is pretty good at http://www.blazingtools.com/bpk.html (http://www.blazingtools.com/bpk.html), the Lite version is free iirc.
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Yes I am, but I bought & built my computer on my own and with my own money. I suppose I'll just leave it be, seeing as I looked through it yesterday and seemingly have nothing to hide.
Possession is 9/10's of the law.
If you are living in your parents house, EVERYTHING in it belongs to them regardless if you, your brother, the cat, the dog or the parakeet bought it with anyone's money.
End of story.
All that, aside, I keylog my kids all of the time. Call it paranoia, call it oppression, call me the computer Nazi. I don't care. I also flat out block sites that I don't approve of. They are well aware of it, too as the screen tells them them it is a blocked site. My house, my rules.
My kids are smart, too, but I am older and waaayyyy more stubborn. They may get past the security once in a while, but I always find a better fix. I admit, I gotta admire their tenacity as they got it honestly.
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While it could be stealing, I doubt someone here is that stupid.
More likely options would be if an employee(s) is doing something not allowed during the work hours, or a child is accessing sites not appropriate to them.
Almost sounds like he wants proof of something (hence wanting pictures and wanting it to be hidden).
You forgot another possibility
Spouce doing inappropriate things on the computer.
Orrr one spouce may be doing something inapproperiate and thinks the other spouce may be spying and wants to know how much he/she knows.
There are more the a few legitimate reasons to want a keylogger for your home or work machines.
Its when you want a keylogger for other peoples machines where most of the problems of privacy lie
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Totally agreed.
I do not advocate invasion of another citizens privacy.
Fortunately, my kids aren't old enough for this rule to apply as they are still under age and under my roof.
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I'd stay away from Keyloggers. It's like a cliff you don't want to be near. If you suspect, truly suspect something is in the works I would hire a detective agency. I'm starting to get some suspicions what this is about through all the dodging around. Any Marital problems going on here? Well I can tell you this, no matter what you have done with good intentions are how benign it will be used against you. If it's because you have games on your computer they will use that too. Anything everything! If someone is snooping on your computer it is probably because they are doing something wrong and seek to justify it by saying you did he same thing.
However, this is all conjecture. I'm only going by experience. I sincerely hope this is not the case.
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I'd stay away from Keyloggers. It's like a cliff you don't want to be near. If you suspect, truly suspect something is in the works I would hire a detective agency. I'm starting to get some suspicions what this is about through all the dodging around. Any Marital problems going on here? Well I can tell you this, no matter what you have done with good intentions are how benign it will be used against you. If it's because you have games on your computer they will use that too. Anything everything! If someone is snooping on your computer it is probably because they are doing something wrong and seek to justify it by saying you did he same thing.
However, this is all conjecture. I'm only going by experience. I sincerely hope this is not the case.
Calm down people, the OP is a teenager and was wondering how to track someone (Mom or Dad most likely) messing with his computer. My guess is he was messing with a couple of pict..... umm things he shouldn't have been and was hoping nobody was going to catch him.
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Calm down people, the OP is a teenager and was wondering how to track someone (Mom or Dad most likely) messing with his computer. My guess is he was messing with a couple of pict..... umm things he shouldn't have been and was hoping nobody was going to catch him.
I guess the days of Playboy's under the mattress, etc are going the way of the Dodo. :devil
Poor Heff. :cry
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Calm down people, the OP is a teenager and was wondering how to track someone (Mom or Dad most likely) messing with his computer. My guess is he was messing with a couple of pict..... umm things he shouldn't have been and was hoping nobody was going to catch him.
Oops, hehe :o
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Porn never caused me any harm. If I had kids as long as they weren't looking at really weird watermelon or filling my computers with viruses I'm not sure I would care.
A teenage boy is going to fap no matter what you do. Looking at some gash on your computer screen isn't going to change anything.
My thoughts exactly.
The other option here is to leave all the computers in public space, as there are many benefits to be had.
1. Not going to need to worry about any of above mentioned issues, as long as you are home. When you're not home, other kids aren't going to be at your house anyway (shouldnt be, anyway) ....so really it comes down to an issue between your child and you.
2. Even if the kid is playing video games, still keeping them in public space creates more social interaction than letting them hole up in the bedroom.
2A. If doing something productive, you can more easily offer assistance, if they need it. (homework, etc)
I was raised with NOTHING cool in my bedroom. No tv, no computer, no radio...just my clothes and some books :) This forced me to spend time in the living areas of the house, and created a much healthier environment, to be quite honest. Also, it meant that being sent to my room actually was a punishment. Now you can argue that your kids can earn the priveledge of having the comp. in their room...but I think you can just as easily provide alternative rewards. I very much intend on leaving any/all computers in public space when I have kids, as it eliminates many potential problems.
As for your keylogger...there is no legitimate reason for a teenage kid to need one. End of story. I realize this is blasphemy...but try communicating with whoever you aren't trusting in this instance. :aok
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I was raised with NOTHING cool in my bedroom. No tv, no computer, no radio...just my clothes and some books :) ...
As for your keylogger...there is no legitimate reason for a teenage kid to need one. End of story. I realize this is blasphemy...but try communicating with whoever you aren't trusting in this instance. :aok
Yikes! I had an eight track stereo hooked up to my Marshall amp's twin bottoms. It rocked!
I agree on the keylogger.
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FUGITIVE: Did you know that KIDS HAVE ACCESS TO AND USE WORKAROUNDS for cleaning all history, E-mails, and Messenger files? Even bypassing filters you may have installed on a given machine. Remember you are not dealing with just your kids. They are exposed to How many Kids at school who as a group are better informed than you are about workarounds. Having them in their rooms is completely irresponsible as a parent. I am amazed the lack of parental control some parents exercise when it comes to computers. In my home, if one of my kids are going over or visiting a friends I go over and meet the parents along with asking what kind of access they have on the computer. If the computer is in a private area, like a bedroom No visit will happen in that house. It is our job to protect our children from what exist out there for as long as they are juveniles.
I AM NOT writing this to chastise you and your parenting, I wrote this to stimulate some thought. My statements about parenting are General statements.
FOR WHY SPIKES needs a key logger I hope he has a god reason. Its not our business why. If we want to help, then help. If not then don't.
KIDS ARE NOT TO BE OUR BEST FRIENDS. WE are parents first. A wonderful loving relationship will grow beyond any friendship if as a parent, we Hold that line. For those that do not have that I really feel for you. Is a great place to be with your children.
QUALIFICATIONS? I have sole custody of a 14 yr old Boy, 13 yr old Girl and a 6yr old Boy. Its not a perfect home but my kids Know I WILL FOLLOW through with my discipline and rules.
KAM
WOW... someone else like me out there,
when I was a young kid my "dad" would tell me to "go play in traffic" (no lie)
now that I have the kids I do, I cant understand how people just let there kids go where ever they want, no flippin way, I know whats out in that world, and my kids are not gonna have to deal with the crap I did.
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now that I have the kids I do, I cant understand how people just let there kids go where ever they want, no flippin way, I know whats out in that world, and my kids are not gonna have to deal with the crap I did.
[hijack] I have one of those fathers. His only rules are: Do well in school, don't get arrested, and don't get anyone pregnant. He's one of the most hands-off people I've ever seen, and while at times it really confuses me, I can sort of see where it comes from. From my perspective (as a teenager) and from the way my dad has explained it to me, what's the harm in finding your way into a bit of qeustionable material every now and then? Honestly, in my opinion (Though I will admit, this will probably change if I ever have kids) if a teen is getting straight 'A's in school, he hasn't been arrested, isn't mixed up with the wrong crowd, etc., whats wrong with watching porn on the internet? I'm not fond of it personally, which may be why my dad doesn't really fret over what I do on the internet, but is there really any harm in it? Now, if a child is using the internet and hacking computers, or gambling, that's a WHOLE other story. But even things like internet poker can be perfectly fine. I've used PokerStars.net with my father (He loves playing online poker, though never with real money). I play a bit here and there, and I'm not very good at it, but its hurting no one, and I know better than to put real money on any card game. Maybe its because I don't use the computer for much but Aces High and other games, but I really don't see much harm in letting kids look around, if they're doing well in school and life, obviously they can be trusted to make at least decent decisions when it comes to what internet sites to look at. But that's just me.
As far as putting the computer in the family room, I do agree with that. At my dad's house, I have a computer in my room, and as a result, I really don't spend much time with him. He has his computer, I have mine, and basically we see each other at meals and on the drive to and from school. I feel bad not spending more time with him, but there's never much reason to. Keeping the computer in a public area helps give the family a reason to spend time with each other when they have nothing else in common. [/hijack]
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Calm down people, the OP is a teenager and was wondering how to track someone (Mom or Dad most likely) messing with his computer. My guess is he was messing with a couple of pict..... umm things he shouldn't have been and was hoping nobody was going to catch him.
Frankly, no. I don't know what they're looking for and haven't done anything of the sort on that comp. It's specifically for gaming, heck, I don't even have Office 07 on there.
[hijack] I have one of those fathers. His only rules are: Do well in school, don't get arrested, and don't get anyone pregnant. He's one of the most hands-off people I've ever seen, and while at times it really confuses me, I can sort of see where it comes from. From my perspective (as a teenager) and from the way my dad has explained it to me, what's the harm in finding your way into a bit of qeustionable material every now and then? Honestly, in my opinion (Though I will admit, this will probably change if I ever have kids) if a teen is getting straight 'A's in school, he hasn't been arrested, isn't mixed up with the wrong crowd, etc., whats wrong with watching porn on the internet? I'm not fond of it personally, which may be why my dad doesn't really fret over what I do on the internet, but is there really any harm in it? Now, if a child is using the internet and hacking computers, or gambling, that's a WHOLE other story. But even things like internet poker can be perfectly fine. I've used PokerStars.net with my father (He loves playing online poker, though never with real money). I play a bit here and there, and I'm not very good at it, but its hurting no one, and I know better than to put real money on any card game. Maybe its because I don't use the computer for much but Aces High and other games, but I really don't see much harm in letting kids look around, if they're doing well in school and life, obviously they can be trusted to make at least decent decisions when it comes to what internet sites to look at. But that's just me.
As far as putting the computer in the family room, I do agree with that. At my dad's house, I have a computer in my room, and as a result, I really don't spend much time with him. He has his computer, I have mine, and basically we see each other at meals and on the drive to and from school. I feel bad not spending more time with him, but there's never much reason to. Keeping the computer in a public area helps give the family a reason to spend time with each other when they have nothing else in common. [/hijack]
My father is quite the same way...do good in school, laid back kind of guy. He doesn't care if I drink at all or take shots. Basically, he goes to bed at 8 and I'm free to do whatever I want as long as I want. The only thing that gets him is girls. He's walking past my room every 2 minutes if she's over. I kind of laugh over it.
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To be honest with you my parent's didn't seem to care where I was or what I was doing. I was the third and youngest of three brothers (14 and 9 years older than me). By the time I came along my parents had seen it all and I think they realized that kids will do what kids do so let him and let him learn from it.
I grew up in the country 5 miles from town. By the time I was 9 I had a snowmobile to get myself around in the winter. By the time I was 11 I had a 90cc Honda motorcycle and was gone all the time. I turned out OK but of course I'm much older than you guys are and it was a different time. Things in the world are a lot more haywire these days and the Internet isn't nessesarily a safe place either.
All I'll say is listen to your parents, keep your wits about you and don't do anything stupid.
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WOW that is a statement from one without kids..I HOPE..
KAM
yeah - kids should learn about sex the way we did - in the streets, the parks, ya know, more traditional ways.
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To be honest with you my parent's didn't seem to care where I was or what I was doing. I was the third and youngest of three brothers (14 and 9 years older than me). By the time I came along my parents had seen it all and I think they realized that kids will do what kids do so let him and let him learn from it.
I grew up in the country 5 miles from town. By the time I was 9 I had a snowmobile to get myself around in the winter. By the time I was 11 I had a 90cc Honda motorcycle and was gone all the time. I turned out OK but of course I'm much older than you guys are and it was a different time. Things in the world are a lot more haywire these days and the Internet isn't nessesarily a safe place either.
All I'll say is listen to your parents, keep your wits about you and don't do anything stupid.
Yeah, parents with 3 or more kids don't seem to care and let their kids do whatever they want at a much younger age.