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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Nosara on February 02, 2009, 08:52:27 AM
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What does this forum think about a recoilless rifle mounted on the Jeep ? .75 mm was in use.
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Neither the US 57mm or 75mm RR were officially vehicle mounted at the time. Neither were the German 75mm or 105mm RR or the 88mm 'pupchen'. Sorry to poke holes into your suggestion. We cannot have ahistorical deplyment of equpiment in AH. :rofl (vis the WW, you know how many were ACTUALLY made) Nope, can't allow anything that would deviate from reality in the GV world into the game.
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.75 mm was in use.
Do you actually mean a .75 (point 75) calibre rifle, or a 75mm rocket/grenade launcher?
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Neither the US 57mm or 75mm RR were officially vehicle mounted at the time. Neither were the German 75mm or 105mm RR or the 88mm 'pupchen'. Sorry to poke holes into your suggestion. We cannot have ahistorical deplyment of equpiment in AH. :rofl (vis the WW, you know how many were ACTUALLY made) Nope, can't allow anything that would deviate from reality in the GV world into the game.
Thats not true at all, jeep mounted RR's saw extensive action with Paratroop units in WTO and in the PAC on Okinawa.
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Thats not true at all, jeep mounted RR's saw extensive action with Paratroop units in WTO and in the PAC on Okinawa.
Jeep mounted?
Try shoulder fired in the case of the 57mm and tripod mounted in the case of the 75mm. We've been through this before, still no difinitive proof that a RCL was fired from a jeep mount in WWII.
http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,230653.0.html
Please, prove me wrong (seriously). It would be a nice addition IF it ever happened.
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i think i have seen a bazooka mounted on a jeep but if you want fire power look up the british sas jeep
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I've seen a dozen plus pics of jeep mounted 57mm RR in action on Okinawa, the 57mm used the same tripod fitting as the .50 cal and was interchangeable as needed...
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Neither the US 57mm or 75mm RR were officially vehicle mounted at the time.
Can't comment as to whether RR's were "officially mounted" on jeeps, but it certainly was done late in the ETO.
From Steven L. Wright, the author of "THE LAST DROP, OPERATION VARSITY. March 24-25, 1945"
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"Ten days before Varsity, Batteries B and C of the 17th Airborne's 155th Anti-Aircraft Bn each gave up one British six-pounder anti-tank gun to be replaced with a 75mm Recoilless Rifle. Corporal Eugene Howard, Battery C, and his crew were the recipients of the new weapon, which was to be jeep-mounted:
The jeep was modified to carry the gun. The tripod mount was secured to the floor of the back section of the jeep. A cradle for the barrel was welded to the front bumper of the jeep. One of the advantages of the gun was that it could be fired from the jeep -- it could even be fired with the jeep moving."
Eugene Howard supplied the above account for my book on Operation Varsity.
Steve W.
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Gotta love that funky perforated case:
(http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8650/57mmbv1.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
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The 57mm RR needed no special modifications since it was designed to mount on the M1917A tripod, the same weapon tripod standard on any jeep configured to carry the 30 cal MG...
(http://www.olive-drab.com/images/firearms_mg_m1917_onjeep_375.jpg)
Numerous accounts of the 57mm being swapped for MG's in ETO...
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I'm for it, if everyone wants to use it, I can just up a Jug, get 10 easy strafe/rocket kills and re-arm/land. :t
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"being swapped" -- as in, field mods?
There ya have it.
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"being swapped" -- as in, field mods?
There ya have it.
Numerous accounts of the 57mm being swapped for MG's in ETO...
I read humble's post to mean the 57mm was swapped out for the mg in the eto. Not the other way round.
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"being swapped" -- as in, field mods?
There ya have it.
That is not a field mod at all. The 57mm RR was designed to use the standard 30 cal tripod so it was deployable like the MG on a variety of platforms. Your confusing "field mod" with the standard flexibility of a light infantry weapon. The 57mm RR could be mounted on any vehicle with the appropriate mast and fittings and easily removed as well. This weapon was mast, tripod and shoulder deployed as needed based on circumstances.
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i think we should just be able too carry the 57 30 and 50 all in differet packages
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It's very much a late war weapon, IMO its the type of thing that would be a a great option (lets say 1 perk point) when/if we get selectable ords for any jeep or M3.
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yeah true but the heavier tanks in ma up against a 57mm or 30 cal. on a jeep+ victory=not likley
i would put 0 perks on it
It's very much a late war weapon, IMO its the type of thing that would be a a great option (lets say 1 perk point) when/if we get selectable ords for any jeep or M3.
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http://books.google.com/books?id=I_fFkOS4b_4C&pg=PA22&lpg=PA22&dq=jeep+mounted+weapons&source=bl&ots=gUN9TbXysg&sig=o0XhiFpW_9Rvgp2PoV2DakIwxtI&hl=en&ei=0tCvSYv4IdKCtgfVzIT0BQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=8&ct=result
it was interesting to find there was T2 37mm and T21 105mm mounted on jeeps along with the 57mm
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i wouldnt mind seeing better weapons sets on the jeep
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Only problem with the RR's being used on jeeps in World War II is that for the most part they were field experiments, like the jeep with 4.5in rocket launcher (using M14 launch tubes) that under went field trials with the 7th Army in the Alsace region in the winter of '44. It really wasn't until after WW2 that RRs on jeeps saw extensive use.
ack-ack
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Only actual use in line units (that I'm aware of) was dismounted paratroopers in huertgen forest area and on Okinawa. However that is not a "field experiment" per se. The 57mm RR was designed as a shoulder or tripod mounted weapon. So it was interchangeable with any man portable infantry weapon capable of being tripod mounted (on compatible tripod). So for any unit equipped with the RR (basically paratroop/some marine units) all that was required was a jeep or M3 with a suitable tripod. They were primarily used as bunker busters not AT weapons when jeep mounted...
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+1 Im all for it. :aok
Besides most tanks could kill this thing with machine gun fire, cant see why the tankers are so afraid.
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ok lets get it im for it