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Title: Dar Bar all the way to the ground
Post by: BnZs on February 04, 2009, 11:58:03 PM
I'm straight-up asking for this. NOT radar coverage all the way to ground level, but having the bar would be nice.

Yeah, yeah, I can hear it now, unrealistic, ground clutter. Well, cockpit display for any kind of radar is also unrealistic for 95% of our fighters, but we tolerate this anachronism to help find each other. Just needs a bit of fine tuning to make it even better for that purpose, IMHO.

If there is some technical problem that makes this wish impossible, I understand though.




P.S. Thanks again for the work on the new water! :aok

Title: Re: Dar Bar all the way to the ground
Post by: AWwrgwy on February 05, 2009, 01:05:37 AM
Squirrels with cameras, and radios.


wrongway
Title: Re: Dar Bar all the way to the ground
Post by: Anaxogoras on February 05, 2009, 01:08:09 AM
+1

Long overdue.
Title: Re: Dar Bar all the way to the ground
Post by: Getback on February 05, 2009, 07:23:23 AM
Nevermind
Title: Re: Dar Bar all the way to the ground
Post by: WMLute on February 05, 2009, 07:53:26 AM
If there is some technical problem that makes this wish impossible, I understand though.

It is an adjustable arena setting.

Which is why in King of the Hill you don't have dar bars, but you do have dot dar all the way to the deck.

I would rather they move it from 500' to 200'.

There is something to be said for being NOE sometimes.
Title: Re: Dar Bar all the way to the ground
Post by: RTHolmes on February 05, 2009, 08:05:40 AM
neg on this one, flying under radar and terrain masking have been staples of combat flying from WWII to this day, I say leave it as it is.
Title: Re: Dar Bar all the way to the ground
Post by: SmokinLoon on February 05, 2009, 08:32:21 AM
I think the level should be 200ft (as it was?).  Make it an art and make it so unless one is going over water or completel flat terrain, auto pilot woul dbe near impossible.
Title: Re: Dar Bar all the way to the ground
Post by: Puck on February 05, 2009, 08:33:12 AM
neg on this one, flying under radar and terrain masking have been staples of combat flying from WWII to this day, I say leave it as it is.

Yeah, but my cat can fly at 500'.  Make it 100' and NOE becomes interesting.
Title: Re: Dar Bar all the way to the ground
Post by: hitech on February 05, 2009, 09:47:51 AM
Yeah, but my cat can fly at 500'.  Make it 100' and NOE becomes interesting.

Ok Puck  now it is official, I IS A NERD. Because I also am just "Just another F4 dweeb"


HiTech
Title: Re: Dar Bar all the way to the ground
Post by: BnZs on February 05, 2009, 10:45:01 AM
neg on this one, flying under radar and terrain masking have been staples of combat flying from WWII to this day, I say leave it as it is.

Yes, but it is overused and abused in AHII purely to avoid fighting. This is incontrovertible. If you wanted to FIGHT, you wouldn't want a bunch of 110s at treetop level, you'd want fighters with alt. Comparisons to actual practices in war break down when you consider that in r/l there were humans on the ground who would notice if 75 110s flew over at 500 feet.

Maybe lowering it is a good compromise.
Title: Re: Dar Bar all the way to the ground
Post by: chris3 on February 05, 2009, 11:05:23 AM
Yes, but it is overused and abused in AHII purely to avoid fighting. This is incontrovertible. If you wanted to FIGHT, you wouldn't want a bunch of 110s at treetop level, you'd want fighters with alt. Comparisons to actual practices in war break down when you consider that in r/l there were humans on the ground who would notice if 75 110s flew over at 500 feet.

Maybe lowering it is a good compromise.

hey, noe fliing inst the try to avoid fighting it is the try to start the fight at a new place, did you think about this site of fiew???
I cant see any problems with ouer noe flightmodel.
And im prity sure you will never notice 75 110 if thay are low on the ground if you 1-2 kilometers away there route if the country isnt to flat.

cu chris3
Title: Re: Dar Bar all the way to the ground
Post by: Saxman on February 05, 2009, 11:17:49 AM
My brain just broke trying to read that.

 :huh
Title: Re: Dar Bar all the way to the ground
Post by: Saurdaukar on February 05, 2009, 12:06:57 PM
As much as I may like the potential for reducing the effectiveness of the base taking hordes, its a player restriction and will undoubtedly result in the creation of some other issue we'll end up hating.

You cant legislate or code social conduct.
Title: Re: Dar Bar all the way to the ground
Post by: BnZs on February 05, 2009, 12:21:16 PM
Who said anything against hordes? Hordes are okay. It should be horde vs. horde is all.

Team Lemming Kung-Fu decides to attack Team Turkey Buzzard (flying high!) or Team Herd o'Cats. With the dar, a counter-horde can form. The carnage, the humanity, the quagmire. Airplane parts rain from the sky. Hundreds of cartoon letters to the cartoon parents/wives of cartoon pilots are written. "I regret to inform you your boy was sent back to the tower because he was an idiot who tried to HO a 110." Hours of fun for the entire family.


As much as I may like the potential for reducing the effectiveness of the base taking hordes, its a player restriction and will undoubtedly result in the creation of some other issue we'll end up hating.

You cant legislate or code social conduct.
Title: Re: Dar Bar all the way to the ground
Post by: Saurdaukar on February 05, 2009, 12:27:31 PM
Who said anything against hordes? Hordes are okay.

Perhaps I misread your post?

Logically, I concluded that anyone requesting that dar bars operate at ground level would be making an attempt to discourage 30 v. 2 NOE raids.
Title: Re: Dar Bar all the way to the ground
Post by: Saxman on February 05, 2009, 12:47:09 PM

 :cry :cry :cry I want people to play how *I* think is the right way to play! :cry :cry :cry


Fixed.

Let the NOE hordes play their game and you go play yours. If it's a front-line base you should expect it to come under attack. If it's a rear base how does it interfere with your game? For that matter, if a rear base starts flashing that should be a pretty big clue something's up ANYWAY so you don't even NEED the dar bar.

What's the big deal if someone gets a kick out of rolling undefended bases? There's plenty of others out there looking for actual fights. Go play with them and let the guys who don't have their fun.
Title: Re: Dar Bar all the way to the ground
Post by: BnZs on February 05, 2009, 04:19:28 PM
Perhaps I misread your post?

Logically, I concluded that anyone requesting that dar bars operate at ground level would be making an attempt to discourage 30 v. 2 NOE raids.

And encourage 30 vs. 30 military disasters  :D
Title: Re: Dar Bar all the way to the ground
Post by: BnZs on February 05, 2009, 04:22:48 PM
If I was getting paid for base captures, I would go with NOE smash and grab every time.

If this were a real war, and X technique were so much more effective, I'd say, Hell yeah, let's concentrate on that.

This is a game though, games can be and are manipulated to increase variety/interest all the time.

Fixed.

Let the NOE hordes play their game and you go play yours. If it's a front-line base you should expect it to come under attack. If it's a rear base how does it interfere with your game? For that matter, if a rear base starts flashing that should be a pretty big clue something's up ANYWAY so you don't even NEED the dar bar.

What's the big deal if someone gets a kick out of rolling undefended bases? There's plenty of others out there looking for actual fights. Go play with them and let the guys who don't have their fun.
Title: Re: Dar Bar all the way to the ground
Post by: B4Buster on February 05, 2009, 04:27:42 PM
Puck I agree, it should be lowered to 100, giving NOE-ers an opportunity to run those type of missions, but rick losing 3/4 of their pilots in the process  :devil
Title: Re: Dar Bar all the way to the ground
Post by: E25280 on February 05, 2009, 05:56:53 PM
Go too much lower than 500 feet and you won't be able to do Poetsi-type heavy buff raids.  While some may like that idea, I think it takes away too many kills - er - too much fun from some players.

My vote (as if I had one) would be to leave things it like it is.  Bases flashing are enough notice of an incoming attack IMO.
Title: Re: Dar Bar all the way to the ground
Post by: Puck on February 05, 2009, 10:10:50 PM
Ok Puck  now it is official, I IS A NERD. Because I also am just "Just another F4 dweeb"


HiTech

Did you do it in your head or did you run it?  That's the real test of nerdness!  :D
Title: Re: Dar Bar all the way to the ground
Post by: NoBaddy on February 05, 2009, 10:38:31 PM
Did you do it in your head or did you run it?  That's the real test of nerdness!  :D


In his head....and yes...I would be willing to put money on it. :)

Title: Re: Dar Bar all the way to the ground
Post by: RTHolmes on February 06, 2009, 05:55:06 AM
"I regret to inform you your boy was sent back to the tower because he was an idiot who tried to HO a 110."

 :lol
Title: Re: Dar Bar all the way to the ground
Post by: Puck on February 06, 2009, 04:22:12 PM
Puck I agree, it should be lowered to 100, giving NOE-ers an opportunity to run those type of missions, but rick losing 3/4 of their pilots in the process  :devil

Nonsense.  The pilots would get there just fine.  The rest of the pudknockers might have to find a different route.