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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: TwentyFo on February 05, 2009, 01:34:29 PM
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Deltron 3030 is a perfect example
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7_jbluF0qo&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7_jbluF0qo&feature=related)
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I hate rap for many reasons, lyrical content is one of them
I know not all rap has bad content, but the fact of the matter to me is that they shouldn't call them selves musicians, if they call them selves poets then I'm fine with it.
stealing music from rock songs or just making beats doesn't require much musical talent if any.
I've said this a million times, I'd like to see Kayne West or Jayzee or Lil Wayne or whoever explain to me chord progression, the pentatonic scale anything that is taught in the study of music, and they most likely can't.
It's just not music its poetry to a beat.
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Rap is never good. Never. Live with it. :D
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I bought 2 rap records once. Pooped one 1 and covered it up with the other :aok.............werd up munny !
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I hate rap for many reasons, lyrical content is one of them
I know not all rap has bad content, but the fact of the matter to me is that they shouldn't call them selves musicians, if they call them selves poets then I'm fine with it.
stealing music from rock songs or just making beats doesn't require much musical talent if any.
I've said this a million times, I'd like to see Kayne West or Jayzee or Lil Wayne or whoever explain to me chord progression, the pentatonic scale anything that is taught in the study of music, and they most likely can't.
It's just not music its poetry to a beat.
Who cares?
Chord progression or pentatonic scale....who really gives a crap. Music is Music. Me farting could be considered music. I make music using my car's turn blinker and my hands. Anyone can make music. Just like any art form, it is subject to how a person interprets it. You putting a definition to what music is and isn't is just plain stupid.
Approaching music as a "Science" is just ridiculous. How do you explain some of the tribal musicians that existed thousands of years before music was written? Do you think they were like, "Oh chit, we can't play this music because we don't know chord progression or pentatonic scale"?
Music is Music. That's all it is. Like I said before, when you put limitations on an art form it becomes very stagnate and boring. Some of the most famous and influential musicians were able to step outside of what was considered the "proper" way to write and play music.
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I hate rap for many reasons, lyrical content is one of them
I know not all rap has bad content, but the fact of the matter to me is that they shouldn't call them selves musicians, if they call them selves poets then I'm fine with it.
stealing music from rock songs or just making beats doesn't require much musical talent if any.
I've said this a million times, I'd like to see Kayne West or Jayzee or Lil Wayne or whoever explain to me chord progression, the pentatonic scale anything that is taught in the study of music, and they most likely can't.
It's just not music its poetry to a beat.
Im curious if you have actually listened to a whole kayne or lil wayne album?
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Some crack dealer bought a recording studio, invited other crack dealers to come run their mouth to the microphone. They called it "rap music" :rolleyes:
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Del Pwns. Great music.
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Hard for me to say what I don't like about modern rap. I like older/classic rock and reggae a ton, I listen to a variety from both all the time, but rap... I guess It has to do with much older long-retired gang-bangers who openly talk about how they have long wised up and figured out what they wanted to do with their life to make a living... by rapping about current 17-year old gangbangers who haven't figured out what they want to do with their future or how to make their living. From that perspective, not only can I not listen to rap for more than a few seconds without taking it seriously, but I think myself and a lot more people would laugh histericaly and openly in these "artists" face if they didn't sing about killing a guy and not giving a damn about the type of person they are in every other song.
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Who cares?
Chord progression or pentatonic scale....who really gives a crap. Music is Music. Me farting could be considered music. I make music using my car's turn blinker and my hands. Anyone can make music. Just like any art form, it is subject to how a person interprets it. You putting a definition to what music is and isn't is just plain stupid.
Approaching music as a "Science" is just ridiculous. How do you explain some of the tribal musicians that existed thousands of years before music was written? Do you think they were like, "Oh chit, we can't play this music because we don't know chord progression or pentatonic scale"?
Music is Music. That's all it is. Like I said before, when you put limitations on an art form it becomes very stagnate and boring. Some of the most famous and influential musicians were able to step outside of what was considered the "proper" way to write and play music.
DING! Nail on the head.
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Aesop Rock
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Rap is wack!
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Who cares?
Chord progression or pentatonic scale....who really gives a crap. Music is Music. Me farting could be considered music. I make music using my car's turn blinker and my hands. Anyone can make music. Just like any art form, it is subject to how a person interprets it. You putting a definition to what music is and isn't is just plain stupid.
Approaching music as a "Science" is just ridiculous. How do you explain some of the tribal musicians that existed thousands of years before music was written? Do you think they were like, "Oh chit, we can't play this music because we don't know chord progression or pentatonic scale"?
Music is Music. That's all it is. Like I said before, when you put limitations on an art form it becomes very stagnate and boring. Some of the most famous and influential musicians were able to step outside of what was considered the "proper" way to write and play music.
i give a crap because as someone who has studied and performed music all my life it's sickening to hear these guys call themselves musicians.
The african drummers are muscians because they actually play the drums and use the instrument to express themselves.
Rap music is spoken word to a beat, they don't even try to be in any kind of key.
Music is a science, until you understand that you shouldn't be arguing with me. People have been making music for over a thousand years using the concepts of the ancient greeks (scales and what have you) and it has managed to grow and reinvent itself and not get stagnate.
Yes there is a beat in rap music, but the rapper I'm sure has no clue what rythmic pattern it is (4/4 3/4 etc) so the only actual musical aspect to their "songs" I'm sure they have no clue the science and pattern behind it.
Once again, it's poetry with a beat, its not sung, its spoken. Poets have done this for years and they don't call it music, they call it poetry.
Yes music can be poetry, but not rap because there is no musical skill involved to become a rapper, you just need to know how to use a beat machine and throw together whatever you want without any thought or knowledge of what it is exactly you're doing.
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There are plenty of "Rappers" who have bands.
I saw a show at Metropol in Pittsburgh back in 2003. It had four big acts, every single group had guitars and drums keyboards and turntables. You may not know any of the groups, but it was Gangstarr and DJ Premiere, Common, Twalib Kwali and a few others.
Besides the Vocalists aka "Rappers", everyone on stage had a musical instrument.
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Aesop pwns.
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Depends on who doing it.... I guess.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoAAbu2LUWQ
:noid :lol
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Besides the Vocalists aka "Rappers", everyone on stage had a musical instrument.
Yes but could they play them?
:rofl
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Yes but could they play them?
:rofl
Better than me. :lol
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"Music is a science, until you understand that you shouldn't be arguing with me. People have been making music for over a thousand years using the concepts of the ancient greeks (scales and what have you) and it has managed to grow and reinvent itself and not get stagnate."
I apologize for not quoting that properly (I cut and pasted, I cheat).
But you said it yourself there "and it has managed to grow and reinvent itself and not stagnate".
Rap (as horrible as some of it may actually be) is the antithesis to the point you were making there. The kids nowadays like their blase' music, with heavy bass and what have you.
Those of us cultured and or educated enough(music wise, this isn't a shot at anyone by any means) to understand the pentatonic scales, chord progression, the in's and the out's of what makes "music" "music" should have at least a modicum of respect for even music such as rap(not so much a fan of rap, but at least true hip-hop, I'll use rap as an example).
Go hit up some Jurassic 5, or Blackalicious, Deltron 3030 as the thread started with. That my friends, isn't rap. That is hip hop. Some of it may be poetry with a beat, but what earth shattering idea have you come up with that debunks, and makes "less than music" of "rap"
Someone in this thread asked as far as instruments go "if they could play them".
Check out The Roots....Mos Def...De' La Soul..... Hip hop has a little more grounding in the fundamentals of "music" than the rap we hear nowadays does.
I kind of thought about just not even posting this, but whatever, have fun.
Kinda forgot where I was going with this, but I just can't seem to understand how people who like a certain type of music can't at least respect what someone else has thrown out there. Rather or not if they're wearing a 5 karat stud in their ear, someone in the production process knows what the F he/she is doing. Else wise "they" (the rappers you mentioned earlier as being talentless) wouldn't be driving Maybach's while we play computer games.
Just because you don't like something doesn't mean a million kids who are willing to chunk up $15 a CD don't either.
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Who cares?
Chord progression or pentatonic scale....who really gives a crap. Music is Music. Me farting could be considered music. I make music using my car's turn blinker and my hands. Anyone can make music. Just like any art form, it is subject to how a person interprets it. You putting a definition to what music is and isn't is just plain stupid.
Approaching music as a "Science" is just ridiculous. How do you explain some of the tribal musicians that existed thousands of years before music was written? Do you think they were like, "Oh chit, we can't play this music because we don't know chord progression or pentatonic scale"?
Music is Music. That's all it is. Like I said before, when you put limitations on an art form it becomes very stagnate and boring. Some of the most famous and influential musicians were able to step outside of what was considered the "proper" way to write and play music.
Anyone with a borderline gay obsession with the Jonas Brothers knows not what good music is.
ack-ack
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But you said it yourself there "and it has managed to grow and reinvent itself and not stagnate".
Rap (as horrible as some of it may actually be) is the antithesis to the point you were making there. The kids nowadays like their blase' music, with heavy bass and what have you.
Those of us cultured and or educated enough(music wise, this isn't a shot at anyone by any means) to understand the pentatonic scales, chord progression, the in's and the out's of what makes "music" "music" should have at least a modicum of respect for even music such as rap(not so much a fan of rap, but at least true hip-hop, I'll use rap as an example).
Go hit up some Jurassic 5, or Blackalicious, Deltron 3030 as the thread started with. That my friends, isn't rap. That is hip hop. Some of it may be poetry with a beat, but what earth shattering idea have you come up with that debunks, and makes "less than music" of "rap"
Someone in this thread asked as far as instruments go "if they could play them".
Check out The Roots....Mos Def...De' La Soul..... Hip hop has a little more grounding in the fundamentals of "music" than the rap we hear nowadays does.
I kind of thought about just not even posting this, but whatever, have fun.
first off my statement about growing and not becoming stagnate could be interpreted that way, but i was refering to music with structure and not just a beat with words, i was proving the point to twentyfo that following actual musical structure there are infinate possibilities and that can never get stagnate.
And I've heard some of the stuff you're refering too and it's not bad, I know the roots actually are muscians and I can respect that.
Now in regard to rap selling alot, its because its catchy and unfortunatly the current youth generation is fixated on catchy music that in reality sucks.
I want to listen to music and feel a whole range of emotions, you know? Feel good and get inspired.... music that actually means something and that has already stood the test of time.
Rap as it is, doesn't stand the test of time, a million new rappers come out all the time and nobody really cares that much about them after a while, with a few exceptions. Its juts catchy crap and people cant see it for what it is.
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TwentyFo, I disagree with a portion of you posts.
1.) Music isn't a "Science", it's the "Universal Language". Nothing scientific about communication, regardless of language barriers.
2.) Most of the "Rappers" today suck. But the public doesn't care.
I listen to "old school" these days because it takes me back to High School (88-91). I still listen to Public Enemy, NWA, 2 Live Crew, Poison Clan, MC Breed (from an hour north of me in Flint), ESHAM/NATAS, Ice-T, Dre, Ice Cube, Geto Boys and others from that era.
Sure they sampled, but not even remotely close to how it is today. Lil Wayne is a drug trafficker and Kanye opens his mouth too much.
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well its certainly isn't as bad as it sounds.
:cool:
zuii
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Rap is never good. Never. Live with it. :D
QFT
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Rap is for people that are "tone deaf". :t