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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: Larry on February 06, 2009, 07:21:19 AM
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I was wondering if anyone knew if the engine nacelle cones on the Me-262 had the spiral effects like some of the 109s, 190/152s did?
Another queston I have is do you think they'll let me skin a Me262A-2a on our 262?
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I was wondering if anyone knew if the engine nacelle cones on the Me-262 had the spiral effects like some of the 109s, 190/152s did?
Another queston I have is do you think they'll let me skin a Me262A-2a on our 262?
No Spirals on any of the books I have. I don't see why not out side of the bomb mounts I think it is the same plane.
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Larry,
I've never seen the spirals on 262 nacelle cones. That doesn't mean they didn't do it.
They're recessed so they may not be visible enough to make it worth the effort.
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I have them done already I was just wondering if I should keep them or not.
(http://www.fileden.com/files/2007/4/24/1013733/262engine.jpg)
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I haven't seen a single photo of 262 that would have spirals in the nacelles. I'm pretty sure there weren't 262 that had them. It has probably a lot to do with the fact that the unlike spinners in prop fighters, those nacelles didnt turn with the turbine blades but housed the starter motors.
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1. I haven't seen a single instance of the spiral on any 262 during my study of it. This was a housing that was forward of the turbofan that rotated. None of the 262 manufacturing plants would have painted them in the scheme you're describing. Possibly in the field but I seriously doubt it.
2. Quoting Squadron Signal Walk Around #42...Page 3
"The Me262 A-2a "Blitzbomber" (fast fighter bomber) had the upper pair of MK-108 30mm cannons deleted, and two ET 503 or Wikingerschiff (Viking ship) bomb racks mounted on the lower nose undersurface. It could carry either two SC-250 blast bombs or two SD-250 fragmentation bombs. The empty upper gun ports were faired over on some Me 262A-2a, but were left open on others, making them externally indistinguishable from the fighter varient.
ReDhAwK
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The spirals were a recognition device used by the Luftwaffe. Day Fighters only. So, if you couldn't actually see them there would be no reason for them to be there.
wrongway
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Agreed, leave them off.
Also, the bomber 262s were slight modifications, as some have mentioned, but their roles and perhaps their camo was different as well. By this I mean the night fighter and the day fighters were "pretty" close as well, but they carried different markings.
I'd avoid the bomb-carrying camo jobs because it's sort of like putting Jabo markings from a 190F onto a fighter-only 190D. Similar planes, but the plane you're skinning just simply didn't play the roles you're skinning it for.
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I'd avoid the bomb-carrying camo jobs because it's sort of like putting Jabo markings from a 190F onto a fighter-only 190D. Similar planes, but the plane you're skinning just simply didn't play the roles you're skinning it for.
What about your Jabo 109F?
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Because the 109F skin happened to be the JABO gruppe with interesting rudder marks, but otherwise the camo was used for fighters.
I would guess the reason he's trying to skin a bomb-toting 262 is because he wants to do an interesting or unique skin (otherwise he'd have picked a similar fighter camo style).
Other than that, the centerline bomb option is more likely to be reinstated on the 109F than adding 2 bombs, removing 2 guns, on the 262 flight models. In-game, the 262s are a 1-trick pony.
EDIT: Maybe it would help to know what he was attempting to skin? It might not even be an issue, but seemed at first glance like he was trying to hide the skin he was working on (possibly a surprise?)
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The skin I want to do don't have the spirals on the cone I was just trying it out and wondering if it was comman or not like the other LW planes. If it was I would have included them. Iv been working on this skin for a total of twelve hours and I'm still on the panel lines since I'm doing them from scratch because the default ones IMO are wrong.
Here is a picture of the one I was looking at.
(http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Rev2/1001-1100/rev1088_TrupmeterMe-262_Tabsh/01.jpg)
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In this case, the white "squiggles" were common of LW bombers and/or night fighters, but not really suitable for the fighter-only version we have in-game.
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Does anyone have any pictues of how the rivets were layed out on the 262?
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I adjusted the saturation on these scans so the rivets pop out a bit more for ya.
4 Pics (Top, Belly, Port, Starboard.) The Starboard does not show the rivets. However, it does show the medical access hatch, 2 access cover plates on the Starboard Rear Stabilizer. Also, no flare ports are on the Starboard fuselage. Only the Port.
ReDhAwK
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Thanks redhawk.
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In this case, the white "squiggles" were common of LW bombers and/or night fighters, but not really suitable for the fighter-only version we have in-game.
The Germans might have disagreed?
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It's a bomber variant (as most 262s were initially forced into the bomber role by Hitler) that because of late-war turmoil was sent up with half its weaponry in a desperate attempt to stop allied planes.
Doesn't mean it's not a bomber camo on a bomber variant.
We also don't skin kamikaze planes for the Japanese craft in this game, if you see the parallel.
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Isn't that black Ki84 scheme a kami paintjob?
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Matter of fact, it's not. I was doubtful at the time I did it, and found out afterwards that the unit was tasked to escort the kamikazes to their targets. The Ki84s being to valuable to waste, were not kamikazes themselves.
P.S. It's really a dark dark brown, rather than black.
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So we are sure the 262's engine cones shouldn't spin? Does anyone have a reference to quote for this?
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Heya Moot, I can only offer this, quoted from page 49, Walk Around # 42, Squadron Signal...
"The Starboard engine nacelle of the Jumo 004B-1 engine. The bullet-shaped covering covers the Riedel-Anlasser RBA-S10. The ring pull handle for the Riedel starter located in the center of the covering is missing."
There is a picture associated with the quote that I am unable to scan right now :( However, the picture clearly shows the cover placed on top of a housing which is welded inside the nacelle, just forward of the rotating fins within the main engine housing.
IMO, only the turbofan rotates.
ReDhAwK
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So we are sure the 262's engine cones shouldn't spin? Does anyone have a reference to quote for this?
I can do you one better. I've seen it on film. A guy on one of the old Wings episodes brings out his 2-seat Me262 and starts the engines for viewers on camera. He pulls out the starter handle located in the cone itself. The cone does not spin.
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I linked to the above posts in the bug forum.