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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: SEraider on February 07, 2009, 12:36:17 PM
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There are some that swear by this bird and quite successful. Is duel throttle a must with pedals or just the dual throttle?
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There are some that swear by this bird and quite successful. Is duel throttle a must with pedals or just the dual throttle?
duel throttle would only help in spins and whatnot...it would NOT, however, make you turn any tighter. I have fought a few duel throttle set up with my regular X52 and seem to be able to hang with them and sometimes out do them
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I have fought a few duel throttle set up with my regular X52 and seem to be able to hang with them and sometimes out do them
That's only because your the uberist pilot in the whole game... ;)
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I built my dual throttle back in June and I can say without question it gets me in more trouble than it is worth. Heaven help you don't keep those both engines in sync during low speed high AoA maneuvers, you'll find yourself spinning, falling much lower than the bandit with little E.
The only benefits to dual throttles is the ability to do picture perfect hammerheads, spin recovery, donuts on the runway, the P38 immersion effect, and the ability to compensate for a missing wing by throttling back the opposing engine. (note: AKAK used the word 'immersion' in the past)
I absolutely hate twisty sticks, I've seen many of my students literally flop right out of the sky using them. They simply don't have the fine control you'd obtain from pedals, more so when snaprolling.
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I am fortunate to live close tho the EAA HQ in Oshkosh WI, and i have talked to 2 different P38 pilots from WWII (sorry i don't have there names) I have photos of one, They both flew in the ETO and both had confermed kills Vs 190's and 109's (not many as i recall but more than one) and i do remember one conversation that one of them told me about how they would throttle back one engine to out turn the 190's (i don't recall turning with the 109)
I do fly the 38 in here but don't have duel throttles so idk of in game stats (but good 38 pilots do)
Historically speaking people did it in real life and that's what counted and they swore by doing it if it needed to be done...
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with dual throttles you can force a spin quicker, or recover from a spin quicker. I know of only a couple that use dual throttles, and those didn't believe they really give you any advantage. Pedals on the other hand I think are a big help with any plane. I used a twisty stick when I use to travel for work. I spent more time BnZing then because I just couldn't get as fine a control with the twisty.
The problem I see with the twisty is you have to really use the damping and the sliders to soften the rudder..... unless your really limp wristed :D... and even tho you would think you wouldn't be able to have such fine control with your feet you can really get fine due to being able to open up the adjustments and using it all.
Of course, I may not be one of those "uber" guys in the 38, but I do ok, so take it for what it's worth. :aok
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I dont use the twisty on my X52 for rudder....I use the little thumb dial on the throttle
That's only because your the uberist pilot in the whole game... ;)
Nah, I just get lucky
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I'm not a fantastic P38 fighter in any way but I found I went from no good to much better with the dual throttle. The only explanation I can guess is that when losing the power to some extent on one side you slow down just enough to maybe not tighten your turn but tighten your turn up. If that makes sense. In other words you may not have a smaller turn but you will be using the planes available turn capability better. Don't forget there are many types of "turns"
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I built my dual throttle back in June and I can say without question it gets me in more trouble than it is worth. Heaven help you don't keep those both engines in sync during low speed high AoA maneuvers, you'll find yourself spinning, falling much lower than the bandit with little E.
The only benefits to dual throttles is the ability to do picture perfect hammerheads, spin recovery, donuts on the runway, the P38 immersion effect, and the ability to compensate for a missing wing by throttling back the opposing engine. (note: AKAK used the word 'immersion' in the past)
I absolutely hate twisty sticks, I've seen many of my students literally flop right out of the sky using them. They simply don't have the fine control you'd obtain from pedals, more so when snaprolling.
Ok, so for rudder for any plane, actual rudders are better then in your opinion? Or for the 38 it's an advantage?
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I never would have thought you needed a dual throttle to turn inside of a 190 with a 38.
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I never would have thought you needed a dual throttle to turn inside of a 190 with a 38.
...in the game of Aces High. ;)
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I'm still learning in a 38 so nobody should use me as a guide. I want to be much better in it and eventually every plane. By then I will be as old as shuffler is now and he will still have the blender.
It has helped me stay in the fight and get more kills or at least the opportunity to do so. I plan to get some pedals very soon, which I have not had so far. I'm sure I will need to re-learn some tactics as I get used to them.
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I have a quadruple throttle. I bet you guys didn't know that HTC put 2 invisible engines on the 38.
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Ok, so for rudder for any plane, actual rudders are better then in your opinion? Or for the 38 it's an advantage?
In any a/c within AH, rudder pedals are always a plus. In a P38 they are particularly beneficial because you can use them to increase your roll rate by a large margin.
If you have a choice between a throttle and rudder pedals, get the rudder pedals as they will help you a lot more in the long run.
The only explanation I can guess is that when losing the power to some extent on one side you slow down just enough to maybe not tighten your turn but tighten your turn up. If that makes sense.
This may have been the case historically, but in AH they have no effect on increasing turn rate or decreasing turn radius.
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There are some that swear by this bird and quite successful. Is duel throttle a must with pedals or just the dual throttle?
i'd get pedals before dual throttles.
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Ok, so for rudder for any plane, actual rudders are better then in your opinion? Or for the 38 it's an advantage?
rudder is very needed in the 38
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Ok, so for rudder for any plane, actual rudders are better then in your opinion? Or for the 38 it's an advantage?
Correct in any plane pedals is better, in some with strong rudder authority like the 109, hogs, and 38, its even better.
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That's some good feedback guys. Thanks. :aok
I have an X52 sietek. Are there any rudder pedals that any of you recommend?
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That's some good feedback guys. Thanks. :aok
I have an X52 sietek. Are there any rudder pedals that any of you recommend?
i'm a CH nut.....and i think the ch peds will work with your stick..........
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I have an X52 sietek. Are there any rudder pedals that any of you recommend?
I have an X52 with CH pedals. I've seen some people complain about the CH pedals being to close together, so they prefer the Saitek pedals which are a bit wider. I don't have a problem with the width. I've never used or seen the saitek pedals in person but from pictures of saitek's, the CH pedals seem more durable to me.
EDIT: Not only are CH pedals more durable, they also cost a little bit less than saitek.
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This may have been the case historically, but in AH they have no effect on increasing turn rate or decreasing turn radius.
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y is that? anyone have the right answer?
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I have an X52 with CH pedals. I've seen some people complain about the CH pedals being to close together, so they prefer the Sietek pedals which are a bit wider. I don't have a problem with the width. I've never used or seen the sietek pedals in person but from pictures of sietek's, the CH pedals seem more durable to me.
Your correct, CH pedals are build like a brick outhouse compared to the saitek pedals.
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I dont use the twisty on my X52 for rudder....I use the little thumb dial on the throttle
Nah, I just get lucky
Oooo, now there's an idea for my X-45. I've been using the rocker (?) switch on the throttle, but it's tough to get any fine control with it.... You happy with the dial?
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I use two x 52 throttles when i want a duel throttle set up. I just dont fly the 38 that often.
they work really nice tho.
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Oooo, now there's an idea for my X-45. I've been using the rocker (?) switch on the throttle, but it's tough to get any fine control with it.... You happy with the dial?
I did that for a while with my X45 and I just couldn't get used to it.. Sometimes, I'd forget it was all the way left or all the way right..
In fact, I put my X45 stick away and switched it out for my trusty Sidewinder Precision Pro.. I still use the x45 throttle though..
The rocker on the joystick just didn't have have any dynamic to its control..