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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: james on February 08, 2009, 02:20:47 AM
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http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/dd353205.aspx <--- Anyone tried this yet? Can you still play AHII with it? Is it as memory intensive as vista? Thinking of putting it on a POS PC I have to try it but wondering if it's even worth my time really.
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From other threads I've read, it's Vista in a different wrapper.
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Im running it...I dont know if its Vista completly looking different. I havent run Vista. I am having game problems. I talked to HTC and I need a bigger powersupply for my 9800GTX+ video card. I didnt realize it needed 30+ amps on a single rail. I have a 750 watt with 60amps OTW. I hope it will solve my crashing problems in Windows7 and My XP Pro. (Getting same lockups in both). Ill keep up with posts as I figure this out.
COMP SPECTS:
ASUS:M3N78_Pro MB
Processor: 3.1 Gig Dual Core AMD
Mem: 2 Gig
Vidcard: 9800GTX+ EVGA 512
Core Clock:756MHz
StreamProcessor: 1836MHz
Mem speed 1.1 GHz
SATA Harddrive..
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You should not be using Windows 7 in a system you need to be operational.
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You should not be using Windows 7 in a system you need to be operational.
It says the same thing in the tryout disclaimer. I was going to put it on one of my desktops that I wouldn't mind losing in my sons science experiments. I can't stand vista so much i'll try anything that isn't as memory intensive.
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You should not be using Windows 7 in a system you need to be operational.
If you are refering to me I am running Dual Boot and intend to run Aces High in XP....Im just dinking around with Windows 7. I am hoping the new PC Power and Cooling 750w Power supply fixes my lockup problems in XP Pro...
KAM
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I'm running Windows 7 x64 in one of my computers as main OS at the moment.
I also tried it in parallels virtual enviroment and it run fine with 512Mb or ram.
AHII worked offline without visible glitches when I tried it in W7. Only prob is this machine doesnt have a joystick and/or account settings ready but I think I'll try adding them next weekend.
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I'm running Windows 7 x64 in one of my computers as main OS at the moment.
I also tried it in parallels virtual enviroment and it run fine with 512Mb or ram.
AHII worked offline without visible glitches when I tried it in W7. Only prob is this machine doesnt have a joystick and/or account settings ready but I think I'll try adding them next weekend.
Please post ur computer specs
Kam
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Please post ur computer specs
Kam
Actually I just tried AH online although again without joystick.
FPS pegged to 60, no anomalies detected. Sound worked 100%, graphics 100%.
This budget / testbed computer (with W7) is:
Asus p5q pro
Cheapo Intel E4500 C2D watercooled and clocked to 3.2Ghz
Kingston 4Gb ram running at PC6400
2 hd's 2 terabytes total
ATI Sapphire Radeon 4830 cheapo displaycard
Samsung DVD-RW-Dual layer cheapo dvd-writer
HP w2007v LCD screen
Total cost of the whole system with monitor approx €800 incl. VAT 22%
Edit: forgot to mention this is x64 flavor of Windows7, the parallels virtual W7 version that I tried with my macbook pro was 32-bit.
(http://xs536.xs.to/xs536/09060/cpuz793.png)
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What texture, resolution and AA were you using Ripley?
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What texture, resolution and AA were you using Ripley?
These:
(http://xs536.xs.to/xs536/09060/settings658.png)
and
(http://xs536.xs.to/xs536/09060/video281.png)
IE8 is buggy though, about the only thing I've found to be really broken in W7 along with HP laser printer driver support.
Another problem I just found: I tried to grab a screenshot with burning field online but the printscrn gave only a blank screen with aero frames.
And no I'm NOT advocating use of Windows7 to play AH. It's BETA and you WILL have problems even if my current setup would run flawlessly.
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Windows has problems in final versions.
go figure in beta test :rofl
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You should not be using Windows 7 in a system you need to be operational.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
This applies to any Beta stage software out there.
As a sidenote I just flew a few rounds online using W7 and non-overclocked E4500 using above settings (hires1024, 1680x1050x32, 8xAA 16xAF vsync on) and the system had no trouble pegging fps to vsync.
Only prob is that either W7 or me logging in initially with only a mouse on made all my stick mappings disappear, I had to remap every function in my joystick inside AH. I mapped axis and slide + view buttons and started to fly. I encountered a LA5 and a higher P38 and started turning with the P38.
I was wondering how my plane felt so awfully sluggish.. then it struck me - I had stall limiter still on! Bigger surprise happened when I outmanouvered the P38 and took a shot at him - forgot to map both my fire keys! :)
Had to run back home with apologies from the fight.
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So as a main os is it more efficient than vista or is it just as much of a hog as far as using so many resources?
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I think GetBack is laughing at the way I said it Ripley. I could have said it better. I tend to run short on words over the weekend.
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So as a main os is it more efficient than vista or is it just as much of a hog as far as using so many resources?
It's a bit lighter and so far tests indicate it falls somewhere between XP and Vista in speed. As I said I tried it in 512Mb virtual machine ram and it ran completely fine. Memory footprint 384Mb.
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Thanks ripley I downloaded it but not installed yet. Was getting too late. It says I need to pick a program to open it and by that time the birds were chirping outside. Ill get to it Wednesday and post some things I find good and bad for you if you need. Happy to hear its lighter than vista. Should be good on a dual core I would think.
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Thanks ripley I downloaded it but not installed yet. Was getting too late. It says I need to pick a program to open it and by that time the birds were chirping outside. Ill get to it Wednesday and post some things I find good and bad for you if you need. Happy to hear its lighter than vista. Should be good on a dual core I would think.
It's an image file. You can't just open it. It has to be burned to a DVD specifically as an image file. Then use the burned DVD to install the OS as in other versions of Windows.
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It's an image file. You can't just open it. It has to be burned to a DVD specifically as an image file. Then use the burned DVD to install the OS as in other versions of Windows.
Actually it is possible to open it but that won't do you much good if you're on XP. Only Vista can be upgraded to W7, XP users need to make a full install.
The contents of the image are transferrable to a USB disc at will though. For most users the only reasonable way is to burn a DVD from the image.
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So as a main os is it more efficient than vista or is it just as much of a hog as far as using so many resources?
Alot better than vista and faster than a cleanXP on my rig. After several weeks of testing i will say that Win7 is the best microsoft OS yet. The XP fans will not agree and never will whatever happens i suppose.
Using win7 and will never go back. I sold the XP pro discs and license that i bought when vista was released a few days ago just incase win7 also turned out to be junk.
It is beta so may run into trouble at some point, but that is to be expected with most beta software.
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Actually it is possible to open it but that won't do you much good if you're on XP. Only Vista can be upgraded to W7, XP users need to make a full install.
The contents of the image are transferrable to a USB disc at will though. For most users the only reasonable way is to burn a DVD from the image.
couldn't one use something like PowerISO or Alcohol120 or something to mount it then run it? instead of doing an ISO / image burn like using Blindwrite or nero or etc.....?
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couldn't one use something like PowerISO or Alcohol120 or something to mount it then run it? instead of doing an ISO / image burn like using Blindwrite or nero or etc.....?
Yes they can but OS installation naturally won't be possible from that source due to need for multiple reboots and XP not being upgradable.
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I think GetBack is laughing at the way I said it Ripley. I could have said it better. I tend to run short on words over the weekend.
That would be a big yes. Knew what you intended but it was darn funny.
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I'm currently using Windows 7 as my main OS for my main laptop, since I'm reviewing it for the April issue of CPU Magazine. In fact, I'm writing it now but procrastinating by coming onto the forum.
My summarized thoughts thus far:
- Windows 7 would probably have been called "Windows Vista SE" were it not for the fact that there is so much (justified) negativity with Vista in the marketplace.
- It is definitely faster than Vista, even with all the beta code running in it. XP is still faster for most things, though.
- The biggest single change: The Taskbar is now completely different. It's like the old Windows Taskbar and the OS X Dock had a love-child. I like it.
- GUI changes make more sense in W7. I feel that Microsoft changed things in Vista just for the sake of changing things. There's some actual thoughtfulness in features W7. For example, most people right-click the desktop to change resolution: in XP you clicked "Properites" and then the Settings tab. In Vista, you clicked "Properties" and did basically the same thing, but it was worded differently and more confusingly for power users (sorry, it isn't in front of me now). In W7, there's a "Screen Resolution" item in the pop-up menu. And by the way, that screen now has a "Connect to a Projector" button - that's very handy, since I can't tell you how many times I've been a meeting and watched someone try to hook up a projector.
- I suspect Windows 7 will be "good enough" for XP holdouts resisting Vista. (And I am one of them.) XP will soon be two versions old, and hardware and software support and drivers for it is going to start to go away sooner than later. (Just look at support for Windows 2000 right now to see what I mean.) Faced with this prospect, and based on the improvements to W7, I suspect it will be much more popular than Vista ever was, and there will be less demand for an XP Downgrade from W7 on new computers.
Windows Vista just drives me insane with each and every little click of its Control Panel, its dialog boxes, and its GUI. Windows 7 doesn't.
I'm not saying my gaming rig is going to switch from XP to W7, but if my next notebook came with W7, I'm not sure if I'd bother reformatting and putting XP on it like I did with my current notebook, which came with Vista.
-Llama
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Thanks for the insight Llama.
There are things about W7 that still irk me, but it is better than Vista could ever be. I figure to give them at least 6 to 8 months, after release, before considering it a serious replacement OS for me.
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Yes Im trying it as a dual boot on my gaming rig. It brings absolutely nothing to the gaming table but as a work os I think it will be good. I tried Suse 11 64 bit first and though I think Linux is coming on leaps and bounds I'm afraid even for experienced users Win 7 is going to be much easier to install and work with. I still only get 3gb/4gb ram usable in 64 bit. I suspect it's my dual graphics set up on my ageing Asus A8n Sli causing that. Skipped Vista entirely so far.
At leat the OS REPORTS 4gb installed.
My set up is A8N Sli Deluxe
4Gb Corsair
AMD 64 4800x2 running at 2.6Ghz
dual 8800GTs (Not a dual card fan but had to try it. AH doesn't like it but that's something in my set up)
XP Pro/Win 7 64 Dual boot
20" NEC Multisync 2070NX
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So as a main os is it more efficient than vista or is it just as much of a hog as far as using so many resources?
in my system, w7(x-64) boots faster than xp-pro/64 by 3 full seconds. i use it as my only o/s in the house. i'll be using it until they come out with the retail box. the beta expires on august 1, but i think "slmgr -rearm" allows for the user to extend evaluation for 120 days more.
antec 902 case
amd phIIx4 940 3.0GHz
mushkin ddr2 1066MHz 4GB
asus m3a79-t motherboard
asus dk ati-radeon 4870 1GB GDDR5
asus blu-ray
seagate 500GB/32MB cache
silverstone da-1000 power supply
read over the reviews for w7(google). i've been using it for a while and in my experience, it is way better than vista. i love the new taskbar.
ah2 plays flawlessly, by the way. and so does counterstrike:source, half-life:2, team fortress, WOW, and COD:WOW.
ht/aces high needs to get listed at steamgames.com, or at impulsedriven.com, both are great gaming content delivery systems.
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Thanks for the insight Llama.
There are things about W7 that still irk me, but it is better than Vista could ever be. I figure to give them at least 6 to 8 months, after release, before considering it a serious replacement OS for me.
Service pack 1 again? :D
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It seems to take them about that much time to get things stable after they rush it out the door. W7 is on the fast track. Microsoft wants to put Vista behind them. To be reminded of that debacle everyday has to be hard on the folks working there.
Anyway, with the rush, I figure it would be smart to wait a bit.
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Once again we return to driver updates and incompatibility until at least that far along the support trail. I am wondering how many of my devices will start producing BSODs in W7? I am not looking forward to a two day install period any time soon. :rolleyes:
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It should not be as bad as Vista as the driver API's are all the same. From XP to Vista was a nightmare. From Vista to W7 should be fairly painless with only the existing bugs migrating over from Vista to W7.
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Thats a relief! The first time through I didnt know you couldnt install with all your memory installed but when I upgraded to 64-bit I knew that and Vista was actually the fastest OS to mount then. Of course my hardware for Vista was also much faster and that probably helped.
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Once again we return to driver updates and incompatibility until at least that far along the support trail. I am wondering how many of my devices will start producing BSODs in W7? I am not looking forward to a two day install period any time soon. :rolleyes:
W7 won't be that painful.
Many of devices in my laptop were recognized immediately by the W7 installation disc, whereas almost none of it was with Vista.
Regardless, I downloaded and installed ALL of the Vista driver packs and utilities Lenovo offers for my notebook, and they all worked, including the funky surround-sound soundcard and speakers, the custom energy management, and the webcam. The Intel chipset driver complained that it didn't recognize the OS (it was written for Vista, after all) and quit, but Windows 7 was smart enough to identify the problem, and asked me if I wanted it to re-run the installer with better compatibility. I said "yes" and it automatically re-ran the chipset installer, and it worked like a charm.
-Llama
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I think Skuzzz may have had a bevie or two.. I thought he said somthing positive about 7 ?
Nahhh :)
lol Gatr
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ht/aces high needs to get listed at steamgames.com, or at impulsedriven.com, both are great gaming content delivery systems.
For a small developer like HTC, you have to pretty much sell your soul to the Devil to get listed on Steamgames. Impulsedriven is far more better for the small/indie development studios.
Actually, HTC needs to sign up with neither. HTC already has a pretty good digital distribution system, just go to the main site and download the game without any hassles. Can't get any better or easier than that.
ack-ack
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For a small developer like HTC, you have to pretty much sell your soul to the Devil to get listed on Steamgames. Impulsedriven is far more better for the small/indie development studios.
Actually, HTC needs to sign up with neither. HTC already has a pretty good digital distribution system, just go to the main site and download the game without any hassles. Can't get any better or easier than that.
ack-ack
of course, htc's distribution system via the website works great and is very simple. however, i was thinking that getting listed at those "portals" would give aces high more online exposure to maximize marketing and sales. also, visitors at those sites are primarily interested in gaming, so it's a more precise sales pitch than putting on a t.v. commercial or a web ad at a generic page.
i didn't know getting listed at steam cost a gazillion $$$, but maybe they can always work something out. as it is, the referral/reward system aces high employs already cuts out a chunk from the $14.95 a month we pay to HT.
thanks for your thoughts.
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I see where skribetm is getting with the exposure aspect. I'm sure HTC would have to give up a lot of licensing freedom etc if they were to deal with Valve (which by some is the evil empire of the world). Most of the demographic for steam gamers is 15-25, AH probably being a much older crowd with the majority 25 and older (much much older :D).
But lets say did they this huge advertising blitz etc. I really don't think AH servers could handle a 3-5k player influx. Which by larger games standards, is like passing gas.
Of course I have no knowlege of HTC and this is purely speculation on my part.
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I think Skuzzz may have had a bevie or two.. I thought he said somthing positive about 7 ?
Nahhh :)
lol Gatr
If being better than Vista is saying something positive, then yes, I said something positive. Let's face it, could it really get any worse than Vista?
What irks me about W7, is it is just a new coat of paint on top of Vista, but being sold as a brand new OS. People who bought or were forced into Vista are getting screwed. Take what you paid for Vista, add the cost of upgrading to W7 and that is what you will have spent for the OS that should have shipped anyway.
It is still slower than XP, but better than Vista. Again, how hard did they have to try in order to improve the performance? Yeah, that had to take 15 minutes of work. They must have really sweated that one. Reconfigure the OS to not load all the bloat at boot time took a lot of thought and a bazillion meetings.
I still detest Microsoft's design philosophy. "Don't worry, we will prevent you from doing things with your computer because we know best." Or, "Just because it is an OS does not mean we cannot write it like an application." Or, "We're Microsoft and you're NOT!".
Better? :)
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Skuzzy ... I skipped Vista and so glad I did...
Gatr
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zdnet re: windows7 RAM/HDD usage
Windows7 Uses 216MB RAM & 8.6GB HDD Space
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=672 (http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=672)
free Windows7 upgrade
"This is a consumer-oriented program targeted at individual consumers and small businesses that have purchased eligible PCs during the Program Eligibility Period. End users will have to meet these requirements to be deemed eligible for the upgrade to Windows 7 when it is released..."
"The only Windows Vista® versions eligible for the program are :
Windows Vista® Home Premium
Windows Vista® Business
Windows Vista® Ultimate
* Microsoft Windows Vista® Home Basic, Windows Vista® Starter Edition, and Windows® XP (all editions) are not qualifying products under the program."
"The following are the only valid upgrade paths under the program :
Windows Vista® Home Premium -> Windows® 7 Home Premium
Windows Vista® Business -> Windows® 7 Professional
Windows Vista® Ultimate -> Windows® 7 Ultimate"
http://www.techarp.com/showarticle.aspx?artno=609&pgno=0 (http://www.techarp.com/showarticle.aspx?artno=609&pgno=0)
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Question: those of us clinging to XP (pro) by our finger nails, going under the assumption that Microsoft will support that OS thru 2014...are we safe assuming that hardware manufacturers will continue drivers for XP until MS pulls the plug?
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For the most part Max, that is probably a safe assumption, but you can bet there will be new hardware that hits the market without XP drivers.
Currently, all motherboard chipsets are supported under Windows XP. Video cards, network adapters, and sound cards also still have XP drivers.
Windows XP still occupies about 70% of the Windows marketplace. Anyone not supporting it is foolish right now.
It would not surprise me to see most all hardware still being supported under XP through 2010 or 2011. There will be exceptions, as there always is.
I figure the computer I just built, with Windows XP will see me through W7's growing pains easily enough and by the next build, W7 should be in good enough shape to be useful. As it is built from Vista, it has an edge due to the number of bug fixes that have already been doen to Vista. Now with the default bloat being disabled by default and the more than stupid ways to navigate around being dropped for something more sensible, for the most part, it has a decent shot at being a decent replacement OS.
I am watching with a bit of pessimistic caution. I think Microsoft has earned that.
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Question: those of us clinging to XP (pro) by our finger nails, going under the assumption that Microsoft will support that OS thru 2014...are we safe assuming that hardware manufacturers will continue drivers for XP until MS pulls the plug?
According to the Steam Hardware Surveys, 65% of the gamers playing their games are still running XP. In the immediate future, I'm not too worried. But there will be a day. New features that just can't be supported under XP, or they don't think its worth it to write XP drivers. Right now you'd be foolish to release a Vista only product.
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W7 is not 100% compatible with Vista anyway and the beta has given me two bluescreens so far. Driver problems.
Haven't had a bluescreen that wasn't overclock related in 5 years before the beta.
But I still think W7 is a step in the right direction. It's still bad in same places as Vista was but otoh I'm surprised how responsive it feels with 4 gigs. Opening apps seems faster than in XP but will drive you mad if you try to copy a few gigs of data.
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eVGA released a driver update last month that was I believe intended to bridge the Vista/W7 gap but it caused AH and AHFilm to lock up hard (total system lockup) so I had to rollback to an older driver. Its the first lockup this system has had since I reconfigured AH for Win98 compatibility.
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Well, I was reading through this thread and decided to give the beta an other round for some reason or an other. Anyways last time I did this I ended up basically killing my XP setup. So I wanted to know if there is a way to dual-boot W7 and XP. I have two HDDs but even though each OS had an HDD W7 basically took over and I wasn't able to boot into XP. Using 64-bit versions for both.
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I'll wait until Skuzzy gives W7 a shot. Otherwise I'm sticking to XP.
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I may wait until W8. :D
The economy sucks and you never know it might finally be time for some emerging country to raise a fledgling OS company. Ha!
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Well, I was reading through this thread and decided to give the beta an other round for some reason or an other. Anyways last time I did this I ended up basically killing my XP setup. So I wanted to know if there is a way to dual-boot W7 and XP. I have two HDDs but even though each OS had an HDD W7 basically took over and I wasn't able to boot into XP. Using 64-bit versions for both.
Windows 7 will leave your XP (and Vista) installation alone if you create a second partition on your single hard drive, or use another hard drive, and then you boot from the W7 installation CD and select the non-XP partition or drive (In other words, don't run the W7 installer from Windows directly. In other news, W7 isn't able to do an upgrade to XP, just Vista). It will install a Vista-like boot menu that will let you select from your installed OSes.
My notebook currently has DOS (no joke), XP, Vista, W7, and Ubuntu (running via Wubi), and all the boot menus get along just fine. I'm not exactly sure where the Grub boot menu would fit into all this, but Ubuntu via Wubi uses XP's boot menu to THEN launch Grub.
-Llama
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I hear that the more OS's you can boot, the more chicks dig you...
:D
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I hear that the more OS's you can boot, the more chicks dig you...
:D
I can boot all the os'es in the world but I wouldn't want to stuff them all in one notebook.
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Been using Windows 7(64-bit) for a few days now and I have to admit this time around is a lot more pleasing then last time(most likely my fault). From what I've seen this is basically how Vista was supposed to be when it got used. When I first installed W7, right after the first boot I went to task manager 38 processes, 25% of memory used(1GB). Not horrible, IMO and I can deal with it. Now that I've installed all my programs and have drivers, avast, etc running in the background it's more like 46 and 30% memory used. The worst part of W7 is the memory footprint but it was inevitable, it increases with every OS and I never really expected it to stay on par with XP. As far as using this OS as a gaming OS is completely possible. Even running Crysis Warhead I was getting very similar FR to when I play it on my XP Boot(around 30FR avg. for both). AH is still no challenge and comp keeps it at a steady 60FR with with 16xQ AA and 16x AsF. Red Alert 3 stayed at a solid 30FR(it won't go over that, something with how all the C&C games are) and my lowest drop was to 25 after me and a friend built a giant hoard of units that you would almost never see in a casual game SP or MP. Overall a solid OS and when it's released I think I'll finally be ready to make the jump to the newest OS. Granted I'll still be keeping XP on an other boot but W7 will become my new universal OS. Overall with 64-bit the memory req. seems fine, since if your using 64-bit theres a good chance you have 4GB or more of memory, I would post min. at 3GB if your going to be gaming on it. Thats my 2-cents anyway, being a die-hard XP fan Windows finally made something that can appease me and get me to switch, and since it's still in development we can only hope it gets better.
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Been using Windows 7(64-bit) for a few days now ...
Glad to hear you're getting a good experience on W7 (me too).
FWIW al the games below work like a charm on the new O/S too.
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