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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: brady on December 21, 2000, 06:15:00 PM
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Well for starters this was news to me(ok maybe I have been under a rock (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) ),I had always read it was rumored to have Sean combat.
Anyway in the book "Luftwaffe Album" by Joachim Dressel & Manfred Griel on p.145 it tell's how Lt. R. Schmidt shot down a Typhoon on the 4th of May 1945 near Lech, apparently the British pilot parachuted and was taken prisoner and made a guest in the officers mess.
The unit was I Grupe of JG Iwhich had 40 He 162 on hand, 30 of which were operational. Apparently they had been conducting operations since the 11th of April 1945.
Also of note is the II and III Grupe of JG I were at Partachim and Heidfeild near Viena, apparently working up.
The aircraft used in the Kill was the A-2 with 2 20m MG 151/20's.
Thought this was cool enough to Post it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif), what do all think can we Perk it??? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Brady
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[This message has been edited by brady (edited 12-21-2000).]
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I'd heard/read the HE-162 was flown from 17 April 1945 on and it did have one combat loss as well as one aerial kill - that Typhoon.
-Westy
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The P51H will be here and it saw NO combat, I sure as hell hope we will get the He 162.
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I'd like to see the He162A-2 as one of the jet perks, along with the obvious Me262A as well as the Ar234 and Gloster Meteor MkIII.
Me163 Komet and Ohka + G4M "Betty" would be great rocket perks.
Sisu
-Karnak
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He-162 saw the action with the preproduction versions (V-) and then A1 and A2 series. First V-versions saw the battle trials against US and UK bombers. One pilot of P-51 fixed on the gun camera his unsuccessful shots to He-162 and in film is possible to see how fast was this plane (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
In East Prussia were located more then 50 units, which were in action against Russian troops and bombers. There were shot down 4 of them and at least 4-5 were lost in accidents over home base airfield. When Russian troops were already near the airfield, all planes that were able to fly and which has fuel where relocated back to Germany. Almost all others there were destroyed, except several.... Russian troops so fast captured this airfield...
One Russian pilot, who visited this airfield, tried to evaluate one of captured He-162. He was ejected by catapult, because he wasn't known what the 'red' button is.... Such trial cost him 5 month in hospital
this is from a form for Il-2 strumavik and posted by Oleg Maddox ....
Brady
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19th April 1945, Tempest shoots down He 162.
3 May 1945, He 162 shoots down Tempest(misidentified as Typhoon).
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jet planes fly too high
man wasn't meant to fly
shall I tempt fate to say
feels like I'm gonna die
in an aeroplane one day
The Cruel Sea - Too Fast For Me
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"The P51H will be here and it saw NO combat"
Sucks don't it?? lol Ahh. P-51H. Can't wait! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) F8F, can't wait! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) P-47 M is to die for! Mmmmhmm. You guessed it. Can't wait again! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
They were deployed and weren't needed. That says it all (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
-Westy
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Why are you so jealous of me westy?
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well o course it will be a possible perk, i think ya can likely bet on it...
Perk permits many "what if planes" slipped into the set as well as some rare birds as well.
IMO
AKskurj
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I would love to see that in the arena..
Me-410 first. lw nees jabo.
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Whats all this about the P51H???,did i miss somthing ? are they going to add "another US plane?"
Brady
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that thing reminds me of an a-10 warthog for some reason.. :P
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P-51H was listed in Pyros plane poll - implies that it will be added one day.
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Don't forget the Meteor. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by Westy:
" Sucks don't it?? lol Ahh. P-51H. Can't wait! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) F8F, can't wait! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) P-47 M is to die for! Mmmmhmm. You guessed it. Can't wait again! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
They were deployed and weren't needed. That says it all (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) "
Westy, I'm not sure if you're trying to say that the P-47M didn't see action... I think the P-51H and F8F didn't.
Just to set the record straight, the P-47M was flown only by the 56th FG, first on 14 January 1945. Considerable teething problems with this new type slowed its widespread usage, and it wasn't until March 14th that the 56th was able to mount a squadron size flight of P-47Ms. Here's a snippet of that mission log (note: another perk plane hiding in it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) ):
"A" Group had picked up the Liberators at the same time, but they continued on with them until 1625 near Koblenz. At this time the 63rd FS broke off to head for home, only seeing five jets of an undetermined type that were not encountered. Williamson, meanwhile, took the 62nd FS to Frankfurt, back to Holzwickede, and then turned them south to discover two flights of the rare Arado 234 jet bombers.
"Blue Flight, led by Lt. Sandborn Ball, started the chase, and Ball and his wingman, Lt. Warren Lear shared in the destruction of one. 1st Lt. Norman Gould, Red Three, knocked down another after closing and setting its right engine on fire, backing away, and then reclosing and firing again on it to set the other engine on fire. It spun in. This was Gould's fourth and last kill."
--From Beware the Thunderbolt (http://www.schifferbooks.com/military/aviationunithistories/0887406602.html)
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Color me thick, If the P51H did not see combat why is it being added, or even considered?
Brady
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I vote no jets (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
prop AC..lets fly them all
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Thanks for the aar Sanch. The P-47 M and N definatley saw service. I was replying in the context of AH perk plane set.
Now I have that book you quoted from that I need to find for some reading (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
-Westy
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I'm with ammo! though jets may have had limited service late ww2, i just think it would hurt overall gameplay, perked or not. Besides that thing looks like it could never fly anyway (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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I hadn't thought of having the `Salamander' as a perk plane...that would be cool!!!
SD
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Allied pilots moaning when they face WW2 planes that could probably kick their bellybutton (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Fishu,
I'm an Allied pilot. You'll hardly find any whinning in my post in this thread.
Don't go sprayin' that garbage all over.
Aim it. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Sisu
-Karnak
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Karnak,
Love the Signature!
What a piece of work:
"This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remember'd,
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition:
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here
And hold their manhoods cheap while any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day."
Can you imagine the despair and howling when one of the late war LW uber planes gets shotdown? Ah, warm flaming FM and gun threads to keep us toasty through the coming winter. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
[This message has been edited by Toad (edited 12-23-2000).]
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Fishu is kind of like Dr Strangelove in that he is almost incapabale of not blurting things like that out.
-Westy
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Originally posted by Westy:
Fishu is kind of like Dr Strangelove in that he is almost incapabale of not blurting things like that out.
-Westy
If I would be doing PR for allies, you guys would just love me (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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That's where your wrong.
-Westy
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Originally posted by Westy:
That's where your wrong.
-Westy
Thats what you say now, but I wonder what you would had said if it would been other way around since begining (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Nope, I think Westy's got it right.
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Given the 162's tendency to enter accelerated stalls and it's top heavy design the only thing it's got going for it is speed.
Always read that anything more then a wing-level stall lead to an inverted flight/spins at which point you started wishing there was more then glue holding yer wings on (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
It'd prolly be the least user friendly perk if ever added.
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From Madox Games Il-2 Sturmovik:
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Sisu
-Karnak
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p.25 Wings of The Luftwaffe by Capt. Eric Brown.
"The aircraft had excellent directional snacking characteristics,making it a good gun platform. From this aspect it was the best jet fighter of it's time, and I was certainly in a position to judge, having flown every jet aircraft then in existence"
p.24
"it was evident that the Germans had got the original stability problems licked"
p.25
"very touchy ruder"
p.26
"phenomenal role rate"
p.26
"delightful little fighter"
p.26
"it was like all German jet's a superb airplane"
p.26
" I had never met better flying controls yet they could be so easily mishandled"
p.26 "I will always recall the He-162 with affection"
Brady
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Well folks would u rather have a Me 262 or a He 162, the He 162 would Handel better, be smaller, and would be easier to use gun wise, and it is biodegradable.
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The He 162 would Handle better, be smaller, and would be easier to use gun wise, and it is biodegradable. from bradys5 ROFL, hey aren't you suppose to be at work? Anyway the nose heavy variant the A-1 was solved with the removal of the Mk 108's and replaced with the MG 151's in the A-2. Also additional work was done for manuevering. Read reports though of turning where jet exhausts would jam the rudder. Why perk it follow behind one and he is bound to crash/lawndart. Besides low ammo loadout wont attract many to it that are looking to boost stats. 250 rounds is not a lot of ammo. No perk for it please, but the 410 should be added first (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) If you have the fuel follow the 234 to his runway they take forever to slow down, and have a high landing speed. Stay out of ack and you can nab one. same goes for the 162 if added. Landing and take offs they are very vulnerable.
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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
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Who the hell cares if it saw combat?
Who cares if more than a handfull were built?
Who cares what country it flew for?
The nice thing about a computer game is we can play out the "what-ifs" and "why nots". We can also re-live history. Why limit ourselves in what we can do? Why limit ourselves to what the competition already offers? Why not do something new?
It isn't like the MA is very "Realistic" to begin with!
I say if it is a WW2-era airplane, it's fair game to add to AH. The only criteria worth using is how well it fits in with the rest of the planeset performance-wise. If it's interesting and the data exists to model it, then add it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
J_A_B
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*JAPAN*
A6M5b
N1K2-J
*ITALY*
C.202
C.205
*USSR*
La-5FN
La-7
Yak-9T
Yak-9U
*GREAT BRITAIN*
Seafire IIC
Spitfire MkIX
Spitfire V
Tempest V
Typhoon
Lancaster III
*GERMANY*
Ar 234B
Bf 109F-4
Bf 109G-10
Bf 109G-2
Bf 109G-6
Fw 190A-5
Fw 190A-8
Fw 190D-9
Fw 190F-8
Ju 88A-4
Ta 152H
*USA*
P-38L
P-47D-25
P-47D-30
P-51B
P51D Mustang
F4U-1C
F4U-1D
F6F-5
TBM-3
B-17G
B-26B
C-47A
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Toad, I see your point believe me I see your point and I have lobbied for more stuff for the deprived countries myself, and this truly is what I feel is more deserving of HTC's attention than more US or German stuff.
My only point in the above passage is that if we are to get a German jet fighter I would rather see the he 162 because I think it would be more useful in the Ma than the Me 262, do to it's better handling traits and the MG 151/20 armament.
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If I'm not wrong, it only had one 30mm cannon?
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One problem with the He 162 is endurance. With the Main Arena fuel multiplier, you would only have fuel for about 15 minutes of flight.
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Originally posted by Animal:
If I'm not wrong, it only had one 30mm cannon?
You are wrong (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) the 162 was issued to be armed with two Mk108 30mms on the wing roots, on the same place the 20mm were later fitted. HOwever some troubles messed in, and it almost all were fitted with all MG151/20s. Still, the RLM issued an order to arm all the planes with 30mm cannons as soon as it was possible.
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He 162 had 2 MG 151/20mm, some early He 162 had 2 30mm MK 108's but these were to much for the airframe, so they switched to the 20's.
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HE 162a-2 3./jagdgeschwader 1 leck, may 1945, armed with 2 20 mm mg 151 cannons 120 rounds each btw the wings were made of wood, it was said that students could go from gliders to this plane with little adjustment, with the actseption of a whole lot more power (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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You say it would have a low endurance that is not quite true, it had exceptional endurance for a german jet, the 262 range is 650 miles which is not all that bad. The 162 could go full power for 30-45 minutes at sea level,thats not to shabby. Only problem is nothing could shoot it down or catch it, only buff gunners would have a chance or ack. If people used them as dog fighters well yes you would see kills then, I guarantee most deaths would be compression or lawn darting.
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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
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Im not comfortable with it in AH, it saw far too little, well toejam almost no use in the war,what 1 kill?? No prototype what if in AH, dont we want to fight WW2 here?
If not I want my F-86 and Mig-15 cuz Mig Alley sucked big time for me. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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IMHO, the only thing fair to all sides involved is to say that it is fair game if ANY production models were produced during the war.
Using combat as the guiding factor unfairly favors the Axis because they were throwing anything and everything into combat while the Allies could extensively test new equipment far from enemy forces.
Using production as the guiding factor unfairly favors the Allies because their factories had not been bombed, their supplies had not been cut off while the Axis was suffering all of those things.
There were production He162s, so it is, in my opinion, a valid aircraft.
Other examples that I consider valid:
A7M2
Spitfire F.Mk.21
P-51H
Meteor MkIII
F7F
F8F
Do335
Obviously all of these would be perk planes.
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Shall be my brother
Bring the Spitfire F.MkXIVc to Aces High!!!
Sisu
-Karnak
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He-162 is boring. (this tricky to fly and useless fighter needed 1,5 km runway for take off)
The only one really interesting perk plane I would like to see in AH is Do-335. Should be VERY perk though...
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D0-335 perked? Were talking a porky fighter, no manueverability what so ever 1 30mm and 2 15mm guns, not including wingpod or other variants. Were talking about a buff killer only. Yes it is fast, but speed kills most of the time.
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Sturm6 StaffelKapitän
JV44 Platzschutzstaffel
Airfield Defense Squadron
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Do-335 should be perked: You never know if it's coming or going....Just put the infamous Typhoon backward cannons (ala RAM) and you get the ultimate killing machine (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
(just a cheap joke)
Pepe
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pepe, 7 meses despues, y sigo convencido de que era un tramposo de mierda.
Solo te dire una cosa...jamas lo vi de nuevo en la MA. por que sera?.
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aper...did u see the quotes posted above it was a good handling machine "the best of the German Jets"
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brady
I know the test reports from NII-VVS (Russia) where the captured He-162s were tested. The report was:
He-162 has total unharmony on oversensitive controls. It makes the flight unstable, tricky and dangerous especially for unexperienced pilots. The plane needs too long runway for take off. These things make He-162 totally unusable in the role of cheap 'folksjeager' fighter for which it was produced.
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aper:
Please read above Capt. Eric Brown would disagree with u i think.
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There we have it folks. Brady wins the award for most belated responce on the BB to date! :D
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All good things in time...... :)
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the P51H is going to be added just to pissoff the luffwhiners
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From FlightJournal:
"With a top speed of 487mph in a clean configuration, the P-51H was the fastest propeller-driven aircraft produced during World War II. However, production was so late that the war ended before any of these hot-rod Mustangs saw combat service."
IMHO if it saw fights then its welcome; If not forget it.
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Yes I agree if it did not see combat then it should not be in AH.
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Originally posted by brady:
Yes I agree if it did not see combat then it should not be in AH.
Congratulations, spoken like a true luftwhiner! Actually same goes to Staga. 51H has as much right to be in the arena, as the badly tested and hurriedly put in production 162.
mx22
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I am NOT a luftwabbie, I think we have enough german stuff for now aside from some aramement stuff for the JU 88 and FW 190 F8, I just think if HTC is going to do a jet fighter the He 162 should be considered.
The line neads to be drawn somewhear and the wheather or not it saw combat should be the line I think. IMO we nead more Japanese, Rushian and Itilian stuff heck even some British planes like the Mossie or Beaufighter before we get more German or US stuff.
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mx22 I rather fly P-51D than Me-109 and now you tell me I'm "Luftwhiener".
Are you stupid or something ?
Issue is there really should be a line which plane had a right to be in plane and which not.
Me-262 saw action (a lot of it btw)= model it.
P-51H did not see any action= forget it.
He-162 saw limited action= model or not, I dont care.
Now go play with your toys.
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Originally posted by Staga:
Are you stupid or something ?
Grow up Staga!
-SW
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Just asking a innocent question ;)
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:) ;) Just pokin' fun atcha! :)
I would like to see the He-162, never played it in anything other than SWOTL.
P-51H.. no thanks.
-SW
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Seeing you guys being so afraid of the 51H makes me wanna fly it.
Staga, before I answer your question, I have to know if you are smart enough to understand my answer. Until then I rest.
mx22
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Originally posted by mx22:
Congratulations, spoken like a true luftwhiner! Actually same goes to Staga.
You were already talking without better knowledge so please continue :)
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Staga,
The problem with using "action" is that different people have differing opinions on what constitutes "action" and that it favors certain countries that were completely covered by enemy air action. Some say the Meteor did see action, some say that it did not. I wonder what the pilots of the Meteor think?
Using production numbers is the same thing, it unfairly favors nations that did not have their production capabilities pulverized and over-run by the enemy.
In my opinion, the only fair, linear, system is to judge by whether there where any production models produced before Japan surrendered. Thus:
6 Prototype Airframes = Do Not Add
7,856 Production Airframes = Add
1 Production Airframe = Add
2 Mock-Up Airframes = Do Not Add
That said, I would much rather have a 1943 arena than the 1944/45 arena we are heading for.
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punt
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Originally posted by Karnak
Staga,
The problem with using "action" is that different people have differing opinions on what constitutes "action" and that it favors certain countries that were completely covered by enemy air action. Some say the Meteor did see action, some say that it did not. I wonder what the pilots of the Meteor think?
Using production numbers is the same thing, it unfairly favors nations that did not have their production capabilities pulverized and over-run by the enemy.
In my opinion, the only fair, linear, system is to judge by whether there where any production models produced before Japan surrendered. Thus:
6 Prototype Airframes = Do Not Add
7,856 Production Airframes = Add
1 Production Airframe = Add
2 Mock-Up Airframes = Do Not Add
That said, I would much rather have a 1943 arena than the 1944/45 arena we are heading for.
what about 15 pre production airframes...
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The moment we get a P-51H. I'm gonna throw a campaign for the Go-229. Since that lil' line of certain limits in historicity is crossed, then no reason why another line cannot be crossed.
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What next inflight porn, the Humanity....:)
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http://www.acefury.com/
it'd be a hilarious game if they give the FMs all the real faults they had...& if you look at the video, why the fu>if they wanted something cool they should have tried this
(http://j-aircraft.org/xplanes/hikoki_graphics/pa22-02.jpg)
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that plane allways cracked me up,,looks like its strait from buck rogers design book,,lol
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a staggeringly cool plane in both looks and performance - 360 MPH in from 180 HP engine in 1940
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wow,,that is very impressive for 180 horses!! could you imagine over 1,000 in it?,,hehahe
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The U.S. had many planes ready to fight and kill near the end of the war. Should the U.S. be penalized and not have these planes in AH? The Bearcat and Tigercat were both enroute to the Pacific when the 2nd atomic bomb was dropped. I'm sure the P51H was in a similar situation.
If the plane was in a combat unit at the end of the war, then it should be modeled and perked.
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Originally posted by Westy
"The P51H will be here and it saw NO combat"
Sucks don't it?? lol Ahh. P-51H. Can't wait! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) F8F, can't wait! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) P-47 M is to die for! Mmmmhmm. You guessed it. Can't wait again! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
They were deployed and weren't needed. That says it all (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
-Westy
[This message has been edited by Westy (edited 12-21-2000).]
I think this really sucks since we miss many models that were actually important in war and were operated in hundeths.
I would like to see planes like FW 190A-6, FW 190A-2 ,FW 190A-9, Bf 109E-1, BF 109f-2, Ju 52, He 177, He 111, Bristol Blenheim, F2a-1, F2a-3, Fiat G.50, Bristol Bulldog, Gloster Gladiator, Dewoitine 520, I-15, I-153, SB-2, LaGG-3, Yak-1, Yak-3, I-16, Curtiss Hawk, Ki-27, Pe-2, P-39D, P-39Q and so on.
I cant see why we need more dick extension superplanes which were never operational. Maybe there are people in need to boost their ego and HTC makes good profit of it. :)
Happy running.
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Originally posted by mx22
Seeing you guys being so afraid of the 51H makes me wanna fly it.
Staga, before I answer your question, I have to know if you are smart enough to understand my answer. Until then I rest.
mx22
Its not that someone is afraid of you running in your P 51H.
Its only that we think there are really so many important planes (especially early/mid war) that arent here because HTC wants to keep guys like you happy and paying.
I hope Hitech would model F-16 to shut you up. :rolleyes:
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Who in the hell said the P-51H will be added???? From what source???
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"Who in the hell said the P-51H will be added???? From what source???"
Here:
http://216.91.192.19/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=70447
Screen shot and everything.
TC
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that is not a p51h, you can see the tail wheel.
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BTW, WWII fighters were those that participated in combats along the Second World War, anything else is just a 1939-1945 plane, not just a WWII fighter.
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p51h in game
Ill start whining for an AR E555 bomber
it's design saw just as much combat in WW2(moreso even then the p51h)
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...all those hot luftwaffe prototypes that you read about, how many times does the story end with something like "work on this project was stopped when the prototype was destroyed in a bombing raid" ?...does that count as being in combat?
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as I said the design saw more combat!
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Originally posted by illo
I cant see why we need more dick extension superplanes which were never operational.
Happy running.
So that's why there's an F86 modeled in WBIII. The anti-Luftwaffles got upset because the Me-262 made their look small.
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(http://lupoweb.supereva.it/CR42.jpg)
Bah! Jets are for sissies!
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I hope we never see a 162 anywhere in Aces. I flew the plane in in the microsoft flight sim, and it stinks. It handles like SH*t, in a turn it willroll 360* for no reason ( well too tight of a turn) and just plain stinks. I think it would be a waste of time if they were to make it. I would rather see a SAAB, any SAAB.
Turbo
here is a SAAB J-21 a
first plane with ejection seat!
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Originally posted by Pongo
what about 15 pre production airframes...
I posted that more than a year ago, Pongo.
I'm fine with leaving it to HTC to judge whether or not an aircraft is appropriate for their sim. I just think that certain aircraft ought to be added before others. In no case am I gung-ho for marginal aircraft, but I won't squeak up a storm if HTC decides to add some of them.
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i want to see german horse drawn artillary, it saw combat, and i hear they had the best horses in europe, much better than the cheap american trucks. eric brown said one german horse could haul more that 3 american trucks.
PS. the P51H saw "no combat" because there were no germans left to shoot down at that time.
same for the P80
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the P-51h would probably be a quite unpopular plane - so lightweight that it was quite fragile compared to the D. if it was a better plane H would have been in Korea rather than the D. people would spend perx on it & wail after a 0.50 cal hit knocked off the wing or flamed the tank under the cockpit....actually, as a lightweight fighter P51H might have wicked turn ability, like Zeke or Oscar...hadn't thought of that...wow a plane that could be deadly in a B&Z or T&B fight...to bad it doesn't qualify as a WWII combat plane - maybe in SWOTL or AceFury
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Originally posted by brady
Toad, I see your point believe me I see your point and I have lobbied for more stuff for the deprived countries myself, and this truly is what I feel is more deserving of HTC's attention than more US or German stuff.
My only point in the above passage is that if we are to get a German jet fighter I would rather see the he 162 because I think it would be more useful in the Ma than the Me 262, do to it's better handling traits and the MG 151/20 armament.
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[This message has been edited by brady (edited 03-28-2001).]