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Title: Mustang IA please
Post by: GlassJaw on February 13, 2009, 05:23:11 PM
NA-91 Mustang IA: 93 aircraft supplied by Lend-lease to RAF (from batch of 150)
Four 20-mm Hispano wing cannon
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: AWwrgwy on February 13, 2009, 05:46:56 PM
Will you settle for 6 .50 cal.? 



wrongway
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: Chalenge on February 15, 2009, 01:28:18 AM
Here here! P51 Apache  :aok
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: NoBaddy on February 15, 2009, 01:43:45 AM
Here here! P51 Apache  :aok

It's my understanding that the Apache was a relatively poor performer. That would be why it became the A36 Apache. :)

Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: Chalenge on February 15, 2009, 02:23:03 AM
The entire Mustang line was slated to be called Apache originally. The P51 was a really good airplane below 12k and it still flew above that it just wasnt superb (the British claimed excellent) until the Merlin was mated to it. So the American P51 (without a subletter designation) with four 20mm cannon was at that point still the Apache. The attack version (A36) was called Apache from the factory but the Army never liked that name and suggested a change (service men going with Intruder) but the P51 was never produced in numbers and with the addition of the Merlin all P51As (Allison engine I believe) Bs Cs Ds and so on were called Mustangs.

The Mustang IA was called Mustang by the RAF. It would have been confusing anyway if Americans called them Apaches and the British referred to them as Mustangs.

The Apache was not a bad performer but due to the way they attacked originally (fresh out of training) AAA had no trouble picking them off. The attack procedure was adjusted and losses declined but the Apache was best suited for Armor support (attacking in close support of armor) while also providing front line air superiority and this was unacceptable to the brass that preferred the USAAF find its own glory. The German equivalent would have been the Stuka and for Russia the Il2.
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: AWwrgwy on February 15, 2009, 03:54:52 AM
It was actually the A-36 Invader.

 :D


wrongway
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: B4Buster on February 15, 2009, 08:15:37 AM
would be a good add for possible scenarios but it wouldn't be used in the MA much

I'm talking about the variant armed with .50s, not 20s
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: Chalenge on February 15, 2009, 01:02:08 PM
Wrngway is correct I misspoke...  :D

B4 I would fly the A36 in support of GV fights before I flew a CHog but I would prefer the P51 not so I could cannon GVs but so I could cannon other planes.  :aok
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: hunter128 on February 15, 2009, 06:42:37 PM
It was actually the A-36 Invader.

 :D


wrongway

the Invader was the A-26
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: Motherland on February 15, 2009, 06:48:20 PM
the Invader was the A-26
The A-36 was known as the Invader as well...
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: hunter128 on February 15, 2009, 07:26:13 PM
oh, i apologize

I didn't realise that.
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: Slade on February 16, 2009, 06:38:08 AM
Quote
NA-91 Mustang IA: 93 aircraft supplied by Lend-lease to RAF (from batch of 150)
Four 20-mm Hispano wing cannon

+1  :aok
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: Bruv119 on February 16, 2009, 07:18:09 AM
only brits allowed to fly it though,      howssszat!
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: B4Buster on February 16, 2009, 08:33:28 AM
   but so I could cannon other planes.  :aok

I wasn't talking about the 20mm variant. We don't need anymore cannon birds. I was talking about the one mounted with .50

would be a good add for possible scenarios but it wouldn't be used in the MA much
I'm talking about the variant armed with .50s, not 20s
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: Chalenge on February 16, 2009, 11:32:06 AM
I wasn't talking about the 20mm variant. We don't need anymore cannon birds. I was talking about the one mounted with .50

Oh I think we DO need more cannon birds.  :D

It wasnt clear what variant you were talking about since so many of them have .50s.
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: Chilli on February 16, 2009, 12:36:28 PM
Interesting.  How much ammo, and with the rate of fire, would it be comparable in seconds to the Hurri 2C, C Hog, or the Nik1?  :uhoh
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: Motherland on February 16, 2009, 12:38:56 PM
Considering it's an American aircraft, it would have Hizookas, the armament would be equivalent to the Hurricane IIC/F4U-1C/Typhoon.
We're not talking about MG151/20's or crappy Japanese cannons here, those are going to be laser-accurate super guns.
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: B4Buster on February 16, 2009, 12:59:39 PM
hehe Chalenge you say we need more but you'd never fly them anyway, too stuck on your 51D.

 :P
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: Chalenge on February 16, 2009, 01:04:20 PM
The P51 and A36 I would fly.  :D
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: Karnak on February 16, 2009, 02:01:28 PM
We don't need anymore cannon birds.

This is false.  If no more "cannon birds" are allowed to be added it very much limits what can be added as most nations used cannons on their fighters.  We get some early and mid war Japanese fighters and some early war Russian fighters and that is about it.
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: Larry on February 16, 2009, 02:17:30 PM
Appearance of a P51, performance of a P40, and the firepower of the HurriIIC. I think we need other aircraft that saw more action and will fill a bigger gap in the planeset.
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: Chalenge on February 16, 2009, 02:21:27 PM
Somehow I think that is a little more then inaccurate thinking.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: Larry on February 16, 2009, 03:19:14 PM
Not really. It looks just like P51 just with a different canopy. It has the same engine as the P40 but it was about 30mph faster then it, and the same guns as the HurriIIC. And there are many, many, other planes that can fill a bigger gap then the P51A.
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: waystin2 on February 16, 2009, 03:28:12 PM
I support it's addition to the inventory.
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: choker41 on February 16, 2009, 03:28:28 PM
I for one would welcome the P51A.  More skilless pilots in a 51 who can't fight.  They will just Ho and run.  Ok changed my mind I don't want it
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: Chalenge on February 16, 2009, 03:35:54 PM
This is not about the P51A its about the P51 or Mustang IA a furballing pony. Fear the P51!  :D
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: SectorNine50 on February 16, 2009, 04:36:53 PM
I for one would welcome the P51A.  More skilless pilots in a 51 who can't fight.  They will just Ho and run.  Ok changed my mind I don't want it
In that case lets get rid of the Spitfire's, N1K2's, 190's, ... Screw it, just get rid of the humans flying the planes because ANY PLANE CAN AND WILL DO THAT.

P-51's are fast.
Spitfire's turn.
A6M's burn.

...People HO and run.
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: Tilt on February 16, 2009, 05:42:58 PM

The Mustang IA was called Mustang by the RAF. It would have been confusing anyway if Americans called them Apaches and the British referred to them as Mustangs.


RNAF had Martlets but that didn't stop a certain ex colony calling them Wildcats......

RAF had Bostons but again all the ex colony could think of was "A20".......

RAF had Liberators the 8th & 9th had B24's (even if the US  later adopted the name "Liberator")



Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: Chalenge on February 16, 2009, 06:33:33 PM
Your night operations called them Havocs and I am not sure our Wildcats served in Europe so its fairly consistent.
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: NoBaddy on February 16, 2009, 10:03:11 PM
Your night operations called them Havocs and I am not sure our Wildcats served in Europe so its fairly consistent.

Yes, they did. Our colonial oppressors seemed to have a certain affection for our planes.







SRI Tilt....that was simply to easy of a shot to pass up.  :devil

Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: Guppy35 on February 16, 2009, 10:12:43 PM
This is not about the P51A its about the P51 or Mustang IA a furballing pony. Fear the P51!  :D

Nah it's about 4 cannons.

It's hardly the representative Allison engined Mustang.  A36 or the P51 with 4 50s is a much more representative Allison bird, or the RAF birds with the 30s and 50s.
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: FYB on February 17, 2009, 12:39:12 AM
NA-91 Mustang IA: 93 aircraft supplied by Lend-lease to RAF (from batch of 150)
Four 20-mm Hispano wing cannon
Do we really need anymore American planes? Especially having 2 main P-51 models; now we want a third?

-FYB

Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: Chalenge on February 17, 2009, 03:03:31 AM
Nah it's about 4 cannons.

It's hardly the representative Allison engined Mustang.  A36 or the P51 with 4 50s is a much more representative Allison bird, or the RAF birds with the 30s and 50s.

I really dont think that matters call it an Apache and give it to us. (http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq197/Chalenge08/costumed-smiley-011.gif)
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: Greebo on February 17, 2009, 05:23:26 AM
HTC could probably do all the Allison Mustang armament options on the one shape. You'd just select the gun package you want in the hangar. They might want to introduce perked loadouts before going for this aircraft though.

The P-51A would be less work for HTC than an all new aircraft. The flight and damage models ought to be similar. The outside shape of the aircraft is not a lot different to the P-51B, mostly just the nose shape, canopy frame and the guns would need altering. However the interior cockpit art would need a lot of revision.
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: Ack-Ack on February 17, 2009, 02:13:05 PM
Here here! P51 Apache  :aok

The P-51A and the A-36 Apache/Invader were basically two different planes.  While the A-36 was based on the P-51 air frame, it was a ground attack version of the Mustang, while the P-51A was all fighter.  P-51A did not have the dive brakes that were on the A-36.  The machine gun configuration was also different.  Notice in the below photos, the machine guns mounted in the cowlings on the Apache as opposed to only having them mounted in the wings on the -A Mustang.

A-36 Apache/Invader
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/78/A36_Invader.jpg/800px-A36_Invader.jpg)

P-51A
(http://www.mustangsmustangs.net/p-51/p51variants/P-51A/P-51A-1NA_7.jpg)


ack-ack
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: Chalenge on February 17, 2009, 03:35:56 PM
The P51 and the P51A are two different airplanes and I submit that when the P51 was designed and built the project was still labelled Apache.
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: Babalonian on February 17, 2009, 04:14:24 PM
Do we really need anymore American planes? Especially having 2 main P-51 models; now we want a third?

-FYB


We want all the models and varients that were in strength during the war or that played a critical role in the war or a particular battle.

<insert obligatory comment>
You're right, we should ask HiTech to remove everything other than the main <insert quoted poster's favorite plane model here> models in the game as well.  Especialy that <cannon-armed variant>.
</insert obligatory comment>

It's like having hotdogs and the only condiments you're alowed to put on them for the rest of your life is ketchup or mustard.  Yeah, those two are the staple for the majority and everyone could get by using one or both of them, but we would still prefer a well-stocked selection of hotdog condiments, it doesn't have to be every hotdog condiment on earth, but we would like all the good ones.
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: Motherland on February 17, 2009, 04:47:16 PM
We want all the models and varients that were in strength during the war or that played a critical role in the war or a particular battle.

<insert obligatory comment>
You're right, we should ask HiTech to remove everything other than the main <insert quoted poster's favorite plane model here> models in the game as well.  Especialy that <cannon-armed variant>.
</insert obligatory comment>

It's like having hotdogs and the only condiments you're alowed to put on them for the rest of your life is ketchup or mustard.  Yeah, those two are the staple for the majority and everyone could get by using one or both of them, but we would still prefer a well-stocked selection of hotdog condiments, it doesn't have to be every hotdog condiment on earth, but we would like all the good ones.
It would almost be like having one variant of the Bf.109G6.
Oh wait :D

Although it would be nice to have earlier Mustangs to chew up, having a cannon armed variant just for the sake of having a cannon armed variant is a bit...
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: Chalenge on February 17, 2009, 06:26:09 PM
Every version of the P51 in the game is a Merlin model so why not give the prime Allison versions (P51 & A36)?
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: Motherland on February 17, 2009, 06:26:59 PM
Just to make it clear, I think it would be great to have a P51A or an A36.
Adding a rare version of the P51 just because it has cannons is a bit silly IMO.
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: Chalenge on February 17, 2009, 06:31:13 PM
I will check but I think just as many P51s were made as A36s.

EDIT: No thats wrong. 150 P51s and 500 A36s but I also found where the British referred to the A36 as a Mustang even when the Americans called it an Apache as they did all American orders of the type to that point (April 1942) which verifies in my mind that the P51 was called Apache.

Considering the people against including the cannon version in makes me think there is reason to fear this airplane for anyone who loves luftwafe planes. Interesting... (http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq197/Chalenge08/costumed-smiley-011.gif)
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: Motherland on February 17, 2009, 07:00:42 PM
Considering the people against including the cannon version in makes me think there is reason to fear this airplane for anyone who loves luftwafe planes. Interesting... (http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq197/Chalenge08/costumed-smiley-011.gif)
Not really-- but there's something about people wanting their favorite a/c, 'plUSSS zomg 4 hizzpanos lol!!!!1', that seems a bit silly. To be honest I would love a P51 with a chitty engine to BnZ and climb out of the sky.
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: Karnak on February 17, 2009, 07:58:22 PM
There are lots of aircraft higher on the priority list than an extremely rare P-51 with four 20mm cannons.

Someday?  Fine.  Soon?  Hell no.
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: uptown on February 19, 2009, 08:03:43 PM
yes please  :aok
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: TwinBoom on February 19, 2009, 08:14:31 PM
Some1 say pony cannons? :D
(http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/3820/ac21om8.jpg)
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: NoBaddy on February 19, 2009, 11:19:06 PM
Some1 say pony cannons? :D
(http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/3820/ac21om8.jpg)

Pony or 'vader?

Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: Ranger45 on February 22, 2009, 07:57:20 AM
The A-36 had two .50's in each wing and two in the nose under the engine.  It also had small dive brakes.  It was used in the Europen theater and in China as well.
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: Chalenge on February 22, 2009, 03:06:51 PM
I dont think the A36 was ever in China. It was in Italy Sicily and North Africa. There were 500 ordered and 23300 sorties flown so it should qualify.
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: Widewing on February 22, 2009, 07:17:13 PM
I dont think the A36 was ever in China. It was in Italy Sicily and North Africa. There were 500 ordered and 23300 sorties flown so it should qualify.

The 311th Fighter Bomber Group based in India went into action in Burma with two squadrons of P-51As and one squadron of A-36As. So yes, the A-36 did see action in the CBI Theater.


My regards,

Widewing
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: Guppy35 on February 22, 2009, 10:59:37 PM
CBI Allison 51s, 1st Air Commandos.  4 50s, DTs. 

(http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s199/guppy35/51A.jpg)
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: Chalenge on February 22, 2009, 11:23:32 PM
Wow! Thanks Widewing! Even more reason we should have it!  :salute
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: Karnak on February 23, 2009, 12:41:59 AM
Wow! Thanks Widewing! Even more reason we should have it!  :salute
There are sooooo many aircraft we need more than yet another US fighter/attacker.

To read these boards you'd sometimes think that WWII was the US vs the US with Germany and the UK as bit players.
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: Chalenge on February 23, 2009, 01:15:53 AM
There are sooooo many aircraft we need more than yet another US fighter/attacker.

To read these boards you'd sometimes think that WWII was the US vs the US with Germany and the UK as bit players.

If not for the UK the Mustang might not have ever been so your argument HELPS the case of the P51/Mustang Ia and A36 IMO. Thank you.  :aok
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: Karnak on February 23, 2009, 04:13:41 AM
If not for the UK the Mustang might not have ever been so your argument HELPS the case of the P51/Mustang Ia and A36 IMO. Thank you.  :aok
We need Russian, Japanese and Italian aircraft.

The set is loaded to the gills with American aircraft already.  We don't need comparatively rare model added right now.
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: Chalenge on February 23, 2009, 10:46:19 AM
23300 sorties is rare?  :huh
Title: Re: Mustang IA please
Post by: Karnak on February 23, 2009, 11:24:51 AM
23300 sorties is rare?  :huh
Yes, compared to a lot of other aircraft waiting to be added, that is rare.