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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: mipoikel on February 16, 2009, 08:03:47 AM
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wtg guys. :huh
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2240543.ece
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They should have had lookouts watching out the window.
shamus
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I'm only amazed the british submarine didn't sink. It must have been just a graze on the paint.
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must have been drunk.
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:rofl :aok
Atta boy chaps!
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Who was following who? And who put the brakes on ? :rolleyes:
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Did anyone surrender? :D
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What are the odds yathink?
Sounds to me like they were playing cutsie with each other. In case your wondering the Frenchie SSBM can take out about 96 targets, each warhead blowing at about 150 kt, "Hiroshima was 16 kt". And the Bloody Brit boat is loaded with 16 Yank Trident D-5s, each one capable of delivering up to 12 MIRV'ed warheads that blow at 450 kt. Thats 192 city busters!
Good Lord find a different bloody boat to play arse grab with.
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Surprised when I heard it was a French and UK sub. I figured an old Chinese sub would have be involved. Ya know, probably in the left turn lane with its right blinker on for the last 5 miles going about 10 knots under the posted speed limit.
/I'm here all week
//try the fish
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and yet despite this i still want to join the navy. :D
Trident FTW :aok
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Didn't read the article, but you would think with all that top-notch radar this could have easily been avoided
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Didn't read the article, but you would think with all that top-notch radar this could have easily been avoided
Submarines, most of all SSBMs, hate to use sonar for anything. Im not a navy guy but I know they like to become black holes in the ocean. Our Ohio class boats are so quiet even we cant find them.
We had a fair share of collisons playing arse grab with the commies but we would pick them up outside their ports and stay with them. Two SSNs I could understand because they are like the fighter jocks under the waves. But two SSBMs? I dont think its ever happened before.
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Submarines, most of all SLBMs, hate to use sonar for anything
Active sonar, yes. Passive sonar is an SSN/SSBN 's bread and butter.
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Active sonar, yes. Passive sonar is an SSN/SSBN 's bread and butter.
Sonar is sonar. You send radio waves thru the ocean like you do radar. I dont think you would call "passive detection" "sonar". Anyway its all called a "combat system" in the end, using both active and passive sensors. Which is why I think both boats, both very capable boats, were playing grab arse with each other and crashed. I cant see either not knowing the other was out there when so close.
But...I'm not a navy guy. Maybe those who were/are could clarify.
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"CON Sonar", "CRAZY IVAN!!!!"
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Man there are alot on uninformed opinions in this thread. I wasn't navy either,
but I know submerged boomers don't use radar. There is also a big difference between
active sonar and keeping a listening watch. You don't have to generate sound to hear
another vessel's self generated noises. Reactors and screws make noise all by themselves.
Traditionally missile subs have had some of the best sonar crews in the navy as the whole
point is to hear the other guy before he hears you. The problem is that both subs are designed
to be very quiet, so they may not have been aware of each other's location.
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I'm surprised they couldn't smell the french sub coming :D
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A passive sonar is still a sonar.
And every sub mentioned in this thread has been heard even if Discovery channel claims that so and so has never been tracked.
Back in topic. Subs have boxes they patrol in to avoid collisions even if the chanses to crash by accident (unless they are chasing eachother) is around one million to one. Nato has a system where they inform other member nations that operate in the same ocean what "box" they will be in. If two or more subs operate in the same box they will have a different depth to operate in to avoid a fender bender. I know the french are not really in Nato, but id be suprised if they were not in on this system.
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Maybe the french boat was running from a sea bass. :t
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Maybe the french boat was running from a sea bass. :t
Nah...more likely sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their heads!!
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French do not coordinate with NATO, as per the why...subs like to operate where thermal differences distort or mask sound transmission. Subs can be very close but on different sides of a thermal barrier without detecting each other. So to sub drivers in the same area may approach thermal anomalies from a different direction and never here each other till they collide. It's actually happened more then once...
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The frenchies will have been driving on the wrong side of the road.
Seriously though, I suspect a previously glittering Royal Navy career just came to an end.