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Title: Der Gabelschwanz Teufel
Post by: Minotaur on January 08, 2000, 11:42:00 AM
  (http://www.netside.net/%7Etlacks/images/aircraft/WW2/P38Lightning.jpg)  

Some Nose art:  http://www.bayarea.net/~hanger/P-38.htm (http://www.bayarea.net/~hanger/P-38.htm)

I found this interesting:  http://home.att.net/~ww2aircraft/Profiles.html (http://home.att.net/~ww2aircraft/Profiles.html)

Alright I'll be counting the Rev's....

Mino

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Title: Der Gabelschwanz Teufel
Post by: 214CaveJ on January 08, 2000, 01:06:00 PM
Great link Mino, thanks =)

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Air power is a thunderbolt launched from an egg shell invisibly tethered to a base.         -  Hoffman Nickerson
Title: Der Gabelschwanz Teufel
Post by: juzz on January 08, 2000, 01:55:00 PM
Those red dots on the inner wing must be the "SHOOT HERE" markings, to help the Luftwaffe pilots take it down quicker...
Title: Der Gabelschwanz Teufel
Post by: Minotaur on January 08, 2000, 03:46:00 PM
     
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Air power is a thunderbolt launched from an egg shell invisibly tethered to a base. - Hoffman Nickerson

Just one Thunderbolt
  (http://www.fotoimages.com/images/aircraft/LO7701.jpg)    

       
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Those red dots on the inner wing must be the "SHOOT HERE" markings, to help the Luftwaffe pilots take it down quicker...

I certainly don't know.  Perhaps where fuel is loaded, or some extra "Uber Goobers".        (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

This fella probably would have known: http://usfighter.tripod.com/bong5.htm (http://usfighter.tripod.com/bong5.htm)

Mino

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Title: Der Gabelschwanz Teufel
Post by: Windle on January 08, 2000, 06:07:00 PM
I believe the aircrafft pictured above was the one 'Hoof' Proudfoot was mysteriously killed in during airshow in the UK.

Damn terrible loss of a rare pilot......and a rare machine.

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Title: Der Gabelschwanz Teufel
Post by: janneh on January 09, 2000, 04:07:00 AM
No what the heck is that ?
It seems to have landing gears in wrong side of a plane and some sort of antennas in nose...
Could be P-38 "Splitning"?
 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Title: Der Gabelschwanz Teufel
Post by: Minotaur on January 11, 2000, 02:43:00 AM
 (http://philc.ncms.org/images/Military/ww2allies/p38svc.jpg)

Ya Baby!

Mino
Title: Der Gabelschwanz Teufel
Post by: Bradburger on January 11, 2000, 11:34:00 AM
Yes your right Windle. That pic is of the late lamented TFC's P38L 'California Cutie'.

Do miss that plane. Never got to see it 'live' but it was good to see it even if it was only on video.

It would be nice if HTC use this the scheme when they do their (HINT, HINT) P38!


Cheers

Bradburger
Title: Der Gabelschwanz Teufel
Post by: Minotaur on January 11, 2000, 09:44:00 PM
General Specifications: http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_us/p038-07.html (http://www.csd.uwo.ca/~pettypi/elevon/baugher_us/p038-07.html)
 
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Specification of the P-38L:

Performance:
Maximum speed was 360 mph at 5000 feet, 390 mph at 15,000 feet, 414 mph at 25,000 feet. An altitude of 20,000 feet could be reached in 7 minutes. Service ceiling was 40,000 feet. Maximum range at sea level was 900 miles. At 30,000 feet, maximum range was 2260 miles (with drop tanks).

Weights:
14,100 lb empty, 17,500 lb combat loaded.
Dimensions:
Wingspan 52 feet 0 inches, length 37 feet 10 inches, height 12 feet 10 inches, and wing area 328 square feet.

Armament:
One 20-mm Hispano AN-M2C cannon with 150 rounds and four 0.50-inch Browning machine guns with 500 rounds per gun.

A Recon Variant:   http://www.mysite.com/p38/na5.htm (http://www.mysite.com/p38/na5.htm)  

Mino

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Title: Der Gabelschwanz Teufel
Post by: BBGunn on January 12, 2000, 12:56:00 AM
Just thought I'd throw in- Even though the P38 was not originally designed to engage enemy fighters it did a remarkable job in the Pacific and in North Africa.  It was designed to catch and shoot down enemy bombers and transports and excelled at its intended purpose.  I would look foward to a 38 in AH.  
Title: Der Gabelschwanz Teufel
Post by: Minotaur on January 12, 2000, 01:35:00 AM
P-38 Origins:  http://members.xoom.com/tguettle/zxp-38.html (http://members.xoom.com/tguettle/zxp-38.html)

 
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In 1935, the Army called for a new type of intercept aircraft to be built. In Specification X-608, the Army called for an aircraft to have the following specifications.

Have a top speed of over 360 MPH at 20,000 ft.

The ability to fly at full throttle for over an hour.

Clear a 50 ft. obstacle within 2,200 ft upon takeoff.

Equipped with the most powerful turbochargers available.

Carry twice the armament of any other standard aircraft.

Mino
Title: Der Gabelschwanz Teufel
Post by: janneh on January 12, 2000, 01:35:00 AM
P-38 could be very dangerous weapon.
From my early days of WB I remember this newbie accused one P-38 driver for cheating.
This P-38 had 5 nme's around him and this new guy thought he don't need to go there anymore, it'll be piece of cake for his fellows.
But, one after one this P-38 killed all those 5 planes and then came after this newbie and shot him down too !

Can't remember this P-38 drivers name but it was something like =????=.
People in AGW suggested him to check his scores next time when online  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

My experience of P-38 is that it's darn hard to shoot down with 109F  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Title: Der Gabelschwanz Teufel
Post by: Minotaur on January 12, 2000, 02:20:00 AM
Hey, Juzz  Check Six!  Check Six!  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)

 (http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/p38-5.jpg)

Mino
Title: Der Gabelschwanz Teufel
Post by: juzz on January 12, 2000, 03:27:00 AM
What? Those are P-38E's - never used in combat.  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)
Title: Der Gabelschwanz Teufel
Post by: Minotaur on January 13, 2000, 12:17:00 AM
Juzz, you fell for the oldest trick in the book...  

Check Three! Check Three!  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)

 (http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/p38-22.jpg)

Mino
Title: Der Gabelschwanz Teufel
Post by: Minotaur on January 13, 2000, 12:25:00 AM
For some of you with voyeuristic interests...

A look under the "Tail Skirting"  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
 (http://www.fotoimages.com/images/aircraft/LO7801.jpg)

Mino
Title: Der Gabelschwanz Teufel
Post by: Minotaur on January 16, 2000, 09:24:00 AM
This version is for dropping "Anti-109 Leaflets:
 (http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/p38-6.jpg)

Now this is cool:
 (http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/p38-11.jpg)

Oops, just like when I do it:
 (http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/p38-12.jpg)

Mino
Title: Der Gabelschwanz Teufel
Post by: Tern on January 17, 2000, 10:57:00 AM
Here, try this link for an affordable P-38 http://www.team-38.com/ (http://www.team-38.com/)
Or this one for an affordable high performance 51 http://www.thundermustang.com/ (http://www.thundermustang.com/)

Enjoy the views  (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Title: Der Gabelschwanz Teufel
Post by: Minotaur on January 17, 2000, 11:09:00 AM
Terne;

Thanks, but this prabably more what I can afford: http://www.kendickson.com/%7Epanzrldr/p38light.htm (http://www.kendickson.com/%7Epanzrldr/p38light.htm)

This guy got home.  Apperently a B-24, using full flaps, escorted its "Little Friend" home.  It looks like the left engine is out also.
 (http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/p38bd.jpg)

Mino
Title: Der Gabelschwanz Teufel
Post by: Minotaur on January 18, 2000, 12:36:00 PM
This is what happens with if you are not careful applying "SPF-30 Sun Tan Lotion".  Fish belly tan syndrome.   (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
     (http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/photo/P-38/Small/E95-43116-2.jpg)    


I am sure alot of you have read this, but if you have not and have some time do so.  It is a three part series and a pretty good read.  

Der Gabelschwanz Teufel: http://home.att.net/~ww2aviation/P-38.html (http://home.att.net/~ww2aviation/P-38.html)

Arthur Heiden, regardly electrical and mechanical failures.  He stated earlier that most of the pre 38L(J) losses were self inflicted.
 
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"Every one of these problems was solved with the introduction of the P-38L."

"Let me repeat this again and again. It can never be emphasized too strongly. It makes up the Gospel Word. The P-38L. Now there was the airplane."

"Nothing, to these pilots, after the hard winter of 1943-44 could be more beautiful than a P-38L outrolling and tailgating a German fighter straight down, following a spin or split-S or whatever gyration a startled, panicked and doomed German might attempt to initiate. You just couldn't get away from the P-38L. Whatever the German could do, the American in the P-38L could do better." (cited from [8] with permission from Arthur W. Heiden).


And to whom ever it might concern...
   
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The first Lightnings to see combat operations were the photorecce F-4s of the 8th Photo Group, based in Australia, flying recce sorties over New Guinea and the Coral Sea. Initial deployments of P-38D and E models saw units stationed in the Aleutians and Iceland, with the first combat kill credited to a P-38E in the Aleutians in August 1942, downing a H6K Mavis recce aircraft, soon followed by the killing of a Fw200 Condor off Iceland, by a P-38D.


Mino

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Title: Der Gabelschwanz Teufel
Post by: Minotaur on January 19, 2000, 12:12:00 PM
     
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Dolmite: It was called the "Chain Lightning". Designated P-58, it was powered by two 2,100 hp Allison turbo-charged engines. Max speed was 436mph, take-off weight 39,200lbs. Armament listed in my book was four 37mm fixed forward firing cannon and four 0.5-in guns in two turrets. That is quite a punch!

I have also heard that it might have had 12 50's as one armorment configuration.

Check it out:  http://www.aero-web.org/aircraft/xp58.html (http://www.aero-web.org/aircraft/xp58.html)
 

This is not the P-58, but an unusual picture of a P-38 model, with rockets attached.

Putt Putt Maru
     (http://store1.yimg.com/I/seagifts_1554_17005901)    
 http://www.seagifts.com/seagifts/p38ligputwro.html (http://www.seagifts.com/seagifts/p38ligputwro.html)

Mino

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Title: Der Gabelschwanz Teufel
Post by: dolomite on January 19, 2000, 01:16:00 PM
Here is a pic of the P-58 Chain Lightning:

 (http://www.nlcs.k12.in.us/deckardb/p58.jpg)  
Title: Der Gabelschwanz Teufel
Post by: juzz on January 19, 2000, 03:27:00 PM
Found your 12-gun Lightning:
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P-38L-1-LO serial number 44-24649 was modified as a specialized ground strafing version with eight 0.50-inch guns in the nose and two underwing pods each carrying two more 0.50-in machine guns.

Title: Der Gabelschwanz Teufel
Post by: Bad Omen on January 19, 2000, 04:03:00 PM
What I would love to see as a hypothetical a/c a P-38 fitted with twin Merlins as proposed by Lockheed and denied by the Army as too expensive. That would have been an airplane!

Just let us have that for a few days against those Spits!!!

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