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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: ooKUsh on February 19, 2009, 07:20:37 PM
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Hi there,
I have been using the Logitech Extreme 3D Pro for about 3 months now. After constantly re-configuring it (about 4-5 times a session) and constantly messing with the settings trying to get it to work properly, it still seems to have a mind of it`s own, giving me nothing but grief, I can not fly with it, without it suddenly deciding it wont turn or pull up, or dropping out of Auto with out notice, so on and so on. So I have decided to render this stick a worthless piece of toejam!
I am looking to buy a descent stick, now that I have decided to commit myself to AH again after some years away. What I am asking is, that if you guys can point me in the right direction with info on some decent sticks, the one`s you are using maybe, rating's and prices.
Kind Regards KUsh :frown:
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Ch Products.
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CH is the best, but a full set up...stick, throttle, and pedals will run you $300 US CH dosen't make a twisty stick so you need the pedals, but you can hold off on the throttle for a bit if money is tight.
Saitek is kinda "hit or miss" some people run them with no problems, and other have lots of trouble getting them to stay calibrated.
Logiteck is called by those who know better "logicrap" You now know better :)
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CH is the best, but a full set up...stick, throttle, and pedals will run you $300 US CH dosen't make a twisty stick so you need the pedals, but you can hold off on the throttle for a bit if money is tight.
Saitek is kinda "hit or miss" some people run them with no problems, and other have lots of trouble getting them to stay calibrated.
Logiteck is called by those who know better "logicrap" You now know better :)
There's some buck involved for sure. If you have a throttle you can save some money or if you have another set of ruddrs.
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X4 CH
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I have an X52 for 2 years now and it's still going strong. Cost me 100$ at the time and I'm pretty sure you can pick them up cheaper now.
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If you can afford CH, buy it. If not, I like my Saitek X-52 Pro on one computer...
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CH
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Hi Kush,
did you get my email response to your application?
CH is the best.
Combat stick/ pedals/ throttle will probably cost around £300 but you wont have to replace it for a long time if ever.
dont get x52 nastiness, some of my guys have been having a catalogue of problems with it. Diggin SNAPPED his one in frustration.
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e258/eBay11/SNAP.jpg)
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Me Again, Cant afford £300 for a stick, that's about $500 for all the CH separate packages. But I have been looking at this stick:-
CH COMBATSTICK 568
* 3 axes and 18 buttons
-x,y, & z axes for aileron, elevator and throttle control
-6 tradional push buttons
-1 four direction hat switch
-1 eight direction Pov Hat switch
*Total of 128 programmable functions with control manager software icluded
*Dual rotaty trim wheels for precise adjustment of ailerons and elevators
*Side throttle wheel
*Large sturdy base, with 7ft USB cable.
This retails at $109 and is within my price range. Any thoughts.
KUsh
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Thats a good stick, but like I said earlier, CH sticks have no twisty control for rudders. So your either stuck using the keyboard controls for rudder, or you add another 100 for the rudder pedals.
CH Products at Provantage (http://www.provantage.com/~880CHPD1.htm)
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I have the combat stick and it is great :aok
as fugitive says it has no rudder so you will need pedals, you don't have to get the ch pedals I hear the saitek ones are much more adjustable and more than likely cheaper.
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I have been using an x52 for over a year, along with saitek rudder pedals. I have yet to have an issue other than the connection cable from the throttle to the joystick is easy to bump out of place if you are not careful. lots of buttons to map most of your primary flight controls and views even without installing the included mapping software.(300 possible buttons with the software installed)
I had a ch rudder pedal setup first and had to use them barefoot as the pedals are on the small side. (I have size 11 shoes)
I felt uncomfortable barefoot so I got rid of them and went to Saitek. I haven't had a CH joystick so I can't really compare them.
here is a picture of my setup without the full cover installed
(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww293/68valu/IMG_0289.jpg)
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Which car you get that seat out of? Looks like a Saturn.
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Man, and my wife calls me a dork for wearing my homemade FreeTrack hat.
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Which car you get that seat out of? Looks like a Saturn.
Don't know the car model.
bought a pair of them at a wrecking yard. They were like new and didn't have all the electric stuff attached or any seat belt garbage, but still had the roller track assembly. I'm going to build another setup like this with the second seat. First one was a prototype and works well.
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Man, and my wife calls me a dork for wearing my homemade FreeTrack hat.
I like to build stuff out of metal.
This game just gave me something else to build.
Call me a dork, I don't care.
I don't want to hijack this thread.
I have lots of additional pictures. I can start a new topic if you want to see more from start to finish.
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Hi Kush,
did you get my email response to your application?
CH is the best.
Combat stick/ pedals/ throttle will probably cost around £300 but you wont have to replace it for a long time if ever.
dont get x52 nastiness, some of my guys have been having a catalogue of problems with it. Diggin SNAPPED his one in frustration.
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e258/eBay11/SNAP.jpg)
Bout to do the same to mine...
Absolutely no rudder control with mine, the rudder has a mind of its own...
Through me into the Drink in Last nights FSO when i was shooting down a LA in my KI. :mad:
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I like to build stuff out of metal.
This game just gave me something else to build.
Call me a dork, I don't care.
I don't want to hijack this thread.
I have lots of additional pictures. I can start a new topic if you want to see more from start to finish.
LOL, I wasn't trying to mock you. Sorry if I came off that way. I'm was just thinking in what parallel universe I'd have to be in for my wife to let me do that.
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LOL, I wasn't trying to mock you. Sorry if I came off that way. I'm was just thinking in what parallel universe I'd have to be in for my wife to let me do that.
Ya just have to have an "understanding" wife !..
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii253/maddogjoe_photos/simpit005.jpg)
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii253/maddogjoe_photos/simpit004.jpg)Don't know the car model.
bought a pair of them at a wrecking yard. They were like new and didn't have all the electric stuff attached or any seat belt garbage, but still had the roller track assembly. I'm going to build another setup like this with the second seat. First one was a prototype and works well.
I got mine out of a Cordoba, and its 8-way power seat.....and yes the motors still work :)
68valu, how do you climb in and out of that thing? Nice work by the way, I'd like to see more pictures.
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Ya just have to have an "understanding" wife !..
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii253/maddogjoe_photos/simpit005.jpg)
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii253/maddogjoe_photos/simpit004.jpg)
I got mine out of a Cordoba, and its 8-way power seat.....and yes the motors still work :)
68valu, how do you climb in and out of that thing? Nice work by the way, I'd like to see more pictures.
COOL Nice job
Know I know im not the only guy with a creative/sick mind.
Thats really cool leaving the seats powered.
I made a new post of my sim.
I can climb in without removing the joystick pedestal, but when other people fly it I just take it out. It is held in place with one set screw.
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COOL Nice job
Know I know im not the only guy with a creative/sick mind.
Thats really cool leaving the seats powered.
I made a new post of my sim.
I can climb in without removing the joystick pedestal, but when other people fly it I just take it out. It is held in place with one set screw.
You should think about writing down the plans for your simpit and market them.
ack-ack
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I got mine out of a Cordoba, and its 8-way power seat.....and yes the motors still work :)
Corinthian leather?
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I have been through this time and time again between twisties and CH and in the end CH is definitely the way to go. Just recently the discussion has come down to convergence settings and dispersion patterns in combat and again the CH comes out ahead. The twisty sticks (of any design) are impossible to use in combat situations without unwanted control inputs and that fact shows up in hit sprite patterns on your target aircraft. Where I can place a needle fine hit pattern with CH the same situation will result in hits dispersed in a much wider pattern with a twisty stick.
Turning off the twist function or mapping it to something else or unmapping it in some other way helps a little but I have never seen another production stick that can get anywhere near the precision of CH. (http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq197/Chalenge08/costumed-smiley-011.gif)
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That seat come from a Pontiac Grand Am (the first picture of the seat that is), My daughter has that car and the seat your using is a perfect match. This is my first flight sim. Im using a Saltek ST290 stick any my keyboard. I think I am just a little outdone compared to most people here.
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Which CH stick is the best for A.H.? What CH products are necessary and which ones are frills? Also what is the best Web Site to purchase CH products? I am a new player and looking for good information from your many hours of play. Thank You Ketinkrad
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Which CH stick is the best for A.H.? What CH products are necessary and which ones are frills? Also what is the best Web Site to purchase CH products? I am a new player and looking for good information from your many hours of play. Thank You Ketinkrad
On this page at Provantage.com (http://www.provantage.com/ch~880CHPD.htm) you can see the main CH products. Provantage usually has the best price, but you can shop around if you want. They have the "FlightStick Pro for $63, but for $8 more you get a much better stick in the "Combatstick 568". The Combatstick is ok for AH, but the "Fighterstick Pro" is the top of the line.
Also, CH sticks ARE NOT TWISTY, so there is no rudder control. So a set of "Pro Pedals" for $100 should be on the list. All the sticks do have a wheel on the left side that can be used for throttle control so a "Pro Throttle" is a luxury.
So a starter set-up would be the Combatstick 568 and the Pro Pedals. $175
Top of the line would be the Fighterstick Pro, Pro Pedals, and the Pro Throttle. $305
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Which CH stick is the best for A.H.? What CH products are necessary and which ones are frills? Also what is the best Web Site to purchase CH products? I am a new player and looking for good information from your many hours of play. Thank You Ketinkrad
Well, I'd suggest at least the rudder pedals and joystick... The joystick isn't a twisty stick, so without the peddals, you're going to be using the keyboard for the rudder, and I wouldn't advise that. I suppose you could hold off on the throttle for awhile if money is tight. I've also seen players get a different brand for their throttle as some don't like the CH one. It does take some getting used to.
Check out the different joysticks and compare their different features:
http://www.chproducts.com/retail/joysticks.html (http://www.chproducts.com/retail/joysticks.html)
I use the fighterstick, though I could probably get by just fine with the combatstick... I don't think the flightstick is worth the $20 savings over the combat stick. It doesn't have enough buttons to make it useful as far as I'm concerned. The whole point of buying a nice joystick is to minimize the amount of typing you have to do, and the flightstick won't help you too much there... At least not without some pretty innovative programing in the control mananger by you...
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I thank you both for the great information. Ketinkrad
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I've always used the Combatstick. There is no reason to pay the extra dollars for the fighterstick if you have the throttle and Pedals.
One point.
Anyone ever see a Post about having problems with Ch Products in here?
If there were they are few and far between.
Ch hands down the best HOTAS on the market.
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Just ordered a combat stick - having used the x52 since I got here pretty much. Will post my impressions once it arrives (Monday) and have given it some time for me to get used to it.
Wurzel
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I've always used the Combatstick. There is no reason to pay the extra dollars for the fighterstick if you have the throttle and Pedals.
One point.
Anyone ever see a Post about having problems with Ch Products in here?
If there were they are few and far between.
Ch hands down the best HOTAS on the market.
As I can tell, Fighterstick is a Combat stick with more buttons---after some 15+ twists of various brands over the years, bought a new Combat and a used CH pedals couple years ago... (total less than 200$)...haven't spent a dime since (now comPUTERS, thats another story :cry) And, as was stated before, there is a BIG advanatge being able to apply rudder or aileron SEPARATELY. Twistys always add both, no matter how careful you are. (Driving tanks from gun position with your feet only is added bonus :aok)
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disreguard no longer available
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Apologies for a lateish bump - been playing with my ch combat stick now, and the difference between that and my x52 is quite simply, amazing. Much more control, more finesse.
Recommended, but, you definitely need to have throttle and pedals with this stick. Setting up was dead easy, not using the ch software apart from the drivers, all set up done ingame only.
Definite thumbs up.
Wurzel
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Apologies for a lateish bump - been playing with my ch combat stick now, and the difference between that and my x52 is quite simply, amazing. Much more control, more finesse.
Recommended, but, you definitely need to have throttle and pedals with this stick. Setting up was dead easy, not using the ch software apart from the drivers, all set up done ingame only.
Definite thumbs up.
Wurzel
Depends on how you fly If you like to use numepad+hatswitch I wouldn't get a throttle I would just use the onboard axis throttle on the stick. Even more so If you do alot of throttle management but If you like to fly realistically then by all means spend that extra 100 bucks.
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CH is still probably the best bang for buck
BUT
TM cougar HOTAS has come down in price and can be found for under $200 now. Its a real monster
all metal.. including the internal components and buttons, and weighing 17 pounds everything else feels like a toy in comparison.
next to trackIR its the best upgrade ive made, its also HIGHLY modifiable, you can replace the pots with HALL effect sensors, the throttle has adjustable stops, so you can put a stop at 90% and when you click past it your in WEP.. 28 buttons... look it up.
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PM TilDeath on the CH components. I had the X-52 blues, losing calibration etc. Since changing to CH - Combat stick; Pro Throttle and Pro Petals no problems. If you decide on CH PM me & I'll send you my profile. :noid :salute
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Depends on how you fly If you like to use numepad+hatswitch I wouldn't get a throttle I would just use the onboard axis throttle on the stick. Even more so If you do alot of throttle management but If you like to fly realistically then by all means spend that extra 100 bucks.
numpad? how 80's :D
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numpad? how 80's :D
:D :P Hey It does the job and Its more comfortable to me.
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i had a X52 before but i just got a X45 and i actually like it better
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I've always used the Combatstick. There is no reason to pay the extra dollars for the fighterstick if you have the throttle and Pedals.
One point.
Anyone ever see a Post about having problems with Ch Products in here?
If there were they are few and far between.
Ch hands down the best HOTAS on the market.
I recall Fester having problems with his CH gear spiking & stuttering. He later found out that he needed to plug in via powered usb hub & his problems were solved. It was a power issue, not a CH issue.
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I recall Fester having problems with his CH gear spiking & stuttering. He later found out that he needed to plug in via powered usb hub & his problems were solved. It was a power issue, not a CH issue.
That's a common problem with the Saitek's too.
It's amazing how often an outlet a computer is plugged into isn't grounded 100% properly, and the wierd quirks it can cause (like joystick calibration issues).
I like my X52 a lot. It's a good piece of equipment for the price, and the amount of controls is great. Also, you can completely turn off the twist stick controls if you have pedals or want to add them without replacing the whole works (i.e. there's a screw that locks the stick in place, and you can increase the dead zone to cover the entire axis. Bingo, no more twisty).
However, CH products are definitely top tier.
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Hi Kush,
did you get my email response to your application?
CH is the best.
Combat stick/ pedals/ throttle will probably cost around £300 but you wont have to replace it for a long time if ever.
dont get x52 nastiness, some of my guys have been having a catalogue of problems with it. Diggin SNAPPED his one in frustration.
(http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e258/eBay11/SNAP.jpg)
Looks like alcohol was involved :rofl
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:lol diggin doesn't need alcohol to set him off, he just needs to have an argument with his alternate personality. ;)
BUZZ LIGHTYEAR to the rescue SNAPPP!!!
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:lol diggin doesn't need alcohol to set him off, he just needs to have an argument with his alternate personality. ;)
BUZZ LIGHTYEAR to the rescue SNAPPP!!!
Never the less, a lot of booze on the table in that pick heheheheh :rofl