The fuselage guns were deleted, and two 0.50-inch machine guns with new hydraulic chargers were installed in each wing. There were additional provisions in the wings for two 20-mm cannon, but these were never actually used.and the link http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p40_7.html (http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p40_7.html) and another http://www.pioneeraero.co.nz/p-40d_version.htm (http://www.pioneeraero.co.nz/p-40d_version.htm)
It was not ever used, period. I don't even think it was ever mocked up or even factory tested.Oh horay its the every wise Krusty, its was a question for those who might have an extra bit of info other than what I have. If I had asked for it in the game, I would have placed this thread in the "Wishlist" forum. But I sure you were bored and just needed to interject your "Give up. Move on. This one's a dead horse." mentality for a simple request for assistance in some information collection.
It was a design convention in all models pre-E.
Give up. Move on. This one's a dead horse.
Oh horay its the every wise Krusty, its was a question for those who might have an extra bit of info other than what I have. If I had asked for it in the game, I would have placed this thread in the "Wishlist" forum. But I sure you were bored and just needed to interject your "Give up. Move on. This one's a dead horse." mentality for a simple request for assistance in some information collection.
The only thing "psychotic" (kudos for spelling such a large word properly! You must have looked it up) is your response and your pal 5pointoh's.Well oh wise Krusty, if you read the original post the 20mm was for the D model only. Also assumed most people would figure out that the "hehe" part was meant as a joke. I was looking for more detailed information on fitment or usage of either of the fore mentioned armourments on the D/E models. I do not want any changes for the 40s (although a couple of extra bombs would be nice). To be honest the only thing I'd like to see for the P40 is an update to its graphic in game. I would like to thank you for small bit of info you did spout off, and if possible could you direct me to the location of the picture of the P40 fitted with wing ords. All this post was ever about was a quest for extra knowledge. I am very appreciative to the gents that assisted in the extra info.
I was blunt and to the point. Every other frickin' post on the BBS has been to add 20mm cannons to some plane that NEVER used them, or SHOULD never have used them. It's overly repetitive, and 5pointoh's glee in shouting that the 20mms be added to the P-40E is just ...
(to be blunt once again)
retarded.
Irrelevant. The OP raises two main points for discussion in his thread. They are:
"I'm curious to what size bomb could be placed underneath the wing of P-40? And when can we get them?"
"DOes anyone have any more info on P-40s with 20mm cannons and Hitech or Pyro, can I have a cannoned P-40! hehe "
Only half of each of these statements has anything to do with requesting anything to do with the game. The other half is just a request for information. There's absolutely no need for Krusty's psychotic pessimism in an information seeking thread.
Give the P40B/E thier graphics update and add in a later war model (P40N) with both the 4 or 6 50cal gun packages and the different ord options. Oh, but wait, since the P40x isnt a late war or uber plane like the Me262, Nik2, F6F5, or Typhoon, I doubt it will ever again see attention. I hope I eat my words. :aok
P40D/E??? While I very much enjoy the challenge of flying the P40x in AH2, the addition of the P40N would go along way in beathing new life into an aircraft that rides the shortbus in the world of online flight sims.
Give the P40B/E thier graphics update and add in a later war model (P40N) with both the 4 or 6 50cal gun packages and the different ord options. Oh, but wait, since the P40x isnt a late war or uber plane like the Me262, Nik2, F6F5, or Typhoon, I doubt it will ever again see attention. I hope I eat my words. :aok
So some of you may know that I'm a little bit of a P-40 dweeb. I go to meetings for it so its ok. Anyway, I'm looking for some help. I recently bought a USAAF P-40 pilots manual. In the last couple of pages the manual talks about two things that made me wonder if anyone else had more detailed information about.
Quoted from manual:
1)Six bombs may be carried externally, three below each wing.
I'm curious to what size bomb could be placed underneath the wing of P-40? And when can we get them? :)
Quoted from manual (Gunnery Equipment,P-40D only)
2) Two .50 caliber fixed machine guns are mounted in each wing panel, and fire clear of the prop arc. THey are charge by placing the control valves in the "ON" position. Should the electric hydraulic pump fail, pressure may be retained by use of the manual hand pump. Structural provisions are made for extrernal attachment of two 20mm cannon, one the bottom surface of each wing.
DOes anyone have any more info on P-40s with 20mm cannons and Hitech or Pyro, can I have a cannoned P-40! hehe
Graciously yours,
Coprhead
Loon,
I said the same thing until I did my homework and made a few forum post on the subject. The P-40N provides very little performance difference over the "E". I believe it was Krusty that pointed out that the "E" in this game has the best of both worlds. It mistakenly has the performance of the "N" or "L" with the long range of the "E". This was based on indicated climb & cruise speeds. So, adding any P-40 later than the "E" only gets you another fuselage and aircraft designation.
Really, all the "N" was was a striped down version of the Warhawk with two less 50 cals. and smaller fuel tanks that allowed for a cruise speed of 378 mph. Even after all of that it couldn't meet the performance of its contemporaries, i.e P-51, P-38 etc.
So, when my previous request was met with "You need to search the forums", I didn't resent the statement . I actually learned something new about my favorite mount in this game.
(http://www.far148.com/TOM06_Leestown%20Aviation%20Warhawk%20Inc%20P-40N%20Warhawk.jpg)
Cheers...
If they introduce the N, one could assume they'd fix they E (similar to the 109G-10 travesty perhaps?). Hard to tell these day, I 'spose. One of the fuel tanks was removed on the N, so the range was shorter vs the E, no doubt.
The N was faster at all altitudes vs the E and it also accelerated faster than the E. Seeing as how it is not only had a more powerful motor, the frame was lighter, so could one gather that the N could turn tighter than the E as well???
Regarding the 4/.50 cal guns... the reading I've done from multiple sources say less than the first 1000 of them rolled off the production lines with only the 4 guns. THe other 4000+ were produced with the 6/.50 cals and the earlier versions were "up-gunned" to the 6. HTC could have both options available???
Only the stripped down versions had a performance boost, as you say the "light" planes with 4 guns and lighter airframes.
However, many of the P-40Ns out there were needed for hitting ground targets, so they were strengthened, carried underwing/fuselage bombs, and had 6 guns back again, negating any real performance gains over previous versions.
It would be nice to get a "real" -E, something intermediate (F/L/M??) for ground pounding, and then a stripped down N speedster (when compared to the E that is), but that's just a general "P-40 wishlist"
So, if all were properly and appropriately fixed and expanded we'd end up with the;
P-40B, "E", "L", and "N"
How does that sound?
Well I have to say, that a P-40 with any better climb performance than the current "E" is a danger to my opponent. A few things a Warhawk pilot has to learn in this game is;
1. A P-40E is not going to runaway from most of the popular MA birds, that is a given. That almost requires you to keep a medium to low altitude. Just incase you need to make an NOE escape.
2. Two hundred thirty five rounds per gun means that you will learn how to use the plane as a dogfighter. Spray "N" Pray is not an option in a furball. Your gunnery skills will improve.
3. With time in bird you will come to realize that P-40E turns quite well.
So, with a hightened skill level, more aircraft performance in the "N" model (Climb and Excelleration) The Warhawk starts to enter an all new level of aggressiveness. Image that the P-40 feared and respected in the MA.
Yes, I would like to see the translation as well, lighter, faster and more horses = tighter turn radius and a rate of climb at about 2800 fpm.
I'm all for that, count me in...
So some of you may know that I'm a little bit of a P-40 dweeb. I go to meetings for it so its ok. Anyway, I'm looking for some help. I recently bought a USAAF P-40 pilots manual. In the last couple of pages the manual talks about two things that made me wonder if anyone else had more detailed information about.
Quoted from manual:
1)Six bombs may be carried externally, three below each wing.
I'm curious to what size bomb could be placed underneath the wing of P-40? And when can we get them? :)
Quoted from manual (Gunnery Equipment,P-40D only)
2) Two .50 caliber fixed machine guns are mounted in each wing panel, and fire clear of the prop arc. THey are charge by placing the control valves in the "ON" position. Should the electric hydraulic pump fail, pressure may be retained by use of the manual hand pump. Structural provisions are made for extrernal attachment of two 20mm cannon, one the bottom surface of each wing.
DOes anyone have any more info on P-40s with 20mm cannons and Hitech or Pyro, can I have a cannoned P-40! hehe
Graciously yours,
Coprhead
<------P 40 dweeb
I want the one with the gondolla cannons please :rock