Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Daskilla on February 20, 2009, 03:50:52 PM
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Although i do love this game it needs a serious upgrade on graphics, mainly the aircraft cockpits. I'm not saying all of them are bad, but in my opinion they need to be just a little more detailed with the backround images,,,,for example throttles,stick, radio buttons,lights, all other types of buttons needed in an aircraft.......and maybe the ammo gauges, to me those just stuck out and made the planes way to cartoonish,,,could possibly make it smaller and out of the way with an older look to them. Besides fighters in WWII lacked ammo gauges, it was all guessed by how long their bursts were.. So saying that about the ammo you could possibly just put an ammo gauge on the map, that way its more realistic, and for those who need the ammo gauge will have it and can look at it on their map.
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This game has been around since 1999. I think that some of the models might actually be from that original 1999 version, lol. HTC has been good about updating most of the aircraft's graphic models, but many are still extremely old and are in desperate need of update... those will be gotten to eventually.
As far as ammo gauges go, I would like to see them gone in planes that didn't have them, but that's a gameplay feature.
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From 1999:
B-26
C.205
C.202
C-47
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,,,could possibly make it smaller and out of the way with an older look to them.
Instruments easily readable at a glance on a computer monitor are more important than a photo-realistic representation. I think AHII has done a good job with its updated cockpits of conveying the general look of the actual plane without making it necessary to zoom in and move your POV around with arrows just to read a bloody instrument.
Besides fighters in WWII lacked ammo gauges, it was all guessed by how long their bursts were..
Off the top of my head, 190s and 110s both had ammo indicators.
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109's did, too. What act as the trim indicators in the AH models (beside the 110, since it has an older cockpit, of course) were the ammo indicators.
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Instruments easily readable at a glance on a computer monitor are more important than a photo-realistic representation. I think AHII has done a good job with its updated cockpits of conveying the general look of the actual plane without making it necessary to zoom in and move your POV around with arrows just to read a bloody instrument.
ATA on the Bf-109G-14 anyone?!? Who in god's name decided to put the bloody thing BEHIND the gunsight?!?
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ATA on the Bf-109G-14 anyone?!? Who in god's name decided to put the bloody thing BEHIND the gunsight?!?
Hell, 109F is worse, got the G-meter behind the gun-sight.
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Seat of the pants!!
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Hell, 109F is worse, got the G-meter behind the gun-sight.
Amen!
Helm ...out
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Seat of the pants!!
Yep, frankly I don't see much use for the G-meter air combat-wise. It is interesting at times definately. Would be even more interestinng with a tell-tale hand on it! Would be fun to check the highest peak of Gs after combat when rtb'ing. :aok
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HTC has never given us historically correct cockpits, and it's been that way since before they were HTC (Warbirds). They experimented with metric guages for German/Japanese aircraft in their previous sim, but ultimately Hitech thinks it's too confusing to have to switch back and forth depending on what you fly.
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HTC has never given us historically correct cockpits, and it's been that way since before they were HTC (Warbirds). They experimented with metric guages for German/Japanese aircraft in their previous sim, but ultimately Hitech thinks it's too confusing to have to switch back and forth depending on what you fly.
More particularly, he thinks the time it takes for the majority of his customers to calculate what 654m of altitude is in feet is less realistic than just being able to glance at the altimeter and know his altitude.
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Babel effect too.
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Yep, frankly I don't see much use for the G-meter air combat-wise. It is interesting at times definately. Would be even more interestinng with a tell-tale hand on it! Would be fun to check the highest peak of Gs after combat when rtb'ing. :aok
Unloading to 0 G whenever possible to maximize acceleration/minimize deceleration, improve roll rate, avoid stalls.
Moderating your Gs in maneuvers whenever possible to conserve energy. You only start to see blackout at 5 or a little past I think, huge difference between the E bleed during a 5G pull and a 3G pull.
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Hell, 109F is worse, got the G-meter behind the gun-sight.
I actually agree with BnZ here 110%, at least in the G-14 when I usually need to see the ATA I can afford to mess around with my camera angles.
Babel effect too.
O.o I had nothing to do with this!
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I do metric and "standard" calculations/sizeing at work all day, back n' forth. Honestly our country should just do things like the rest of this world and save me the headache (and hey, being able to work faster and make more money is good too). I don't care which system would become the standard, just as long as there was a single standard across the board/planet. I suspect HTC is sticking with a standard in the game for the same reasons I wish the whole world would choose a standard system of measurements.
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Be nice if there was a way to switch between Standard and metric instruments in the cockpit, fair for all.
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Some of the Japanese cockpits are off. I think it's the RPM and MAP gauges on the N1K2 don't match the power settings indicated in E6B. The RPM and MAP settings for cruise are HIGHER that what the N1K is capable of at WEP power!
I have a hard time even READING the +/- for MAP
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I do metric and "standard" calculations/sizeing at work all day, back n' forth. Honestly our country should just do things like the rest of this world and save me the headache (and hey, being able to work faster and make more money is good too). I don't care which system would become the standard, just as long as there was a single standard across the board/planet. I suspect HTC is sticking with a standard in the game for the same reasons I wish the whole world would choose a standard system of measurements.
I agree with you, but I do care which system is standard because the metric system is superior. Nothing beats a base-10 measuring system.
The usual argument I hear against it is something like "Yeah, but how I am supposed to know how many kilos that weighs? Or how many liters it is? Our system is good because I can just look at something and accurately estimate its weight or size..."etc. :lol
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As long as we don't use knots and nautical miles, I'm happy.
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Yes, everything must be standardized and homogenized to fulfill the NWO's dream of everybody everywhere being as alike as possible. :rolleyes:
I agree with you, but I do care which system is standard because the metric system is superior. Nothing beats a base-10 measuring system.
The usual argument I hear against it is something like "Yeah, but how I am supposed to know how many kilos that weighs? Or how many liters it is? Our system is good because I can just look at something and accurately estimate its weight or size..."etc. :lol
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n/t
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Besides fighters in WWII lacked ammo gauges, it was all guessed by how long their bursts were.. So saying that about the ammo you could possibly just put an ammo gauge on the map, that way its more realistic, and for those who need the ammo gauge will have it and can look at it on their map.
Though many German planes had ammo gauges, namely the 109 and 190. The flap and trim indicators we have in our 109/190s were actually used as ammo gauges during the war in some variants of the planes.
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Be nice if there was a way to switch between Standard and metric instruments in the cockpit, fair for all.
In IL2 you can switch the on-screen air speed and altitude indicators between standard and metric. Maybe HTC could incorporate that type of feature and add it in the display where you can see your memory use, FPS, etc.
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Not going to happen gents. And it is not a point of realism or preferences.
The problem is when fly planes in both English and metric. It instantly adds more work load to flying a metric plane if your primary rides English or visa versa.
2nd Communication becomes a major pain when different units are used with different airplanes.
3rd I have done both metric and English in a previous life, hated it so much it is not going to happen.
HiTech
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Yes, everything must be standardized and homogenized to fulfill the NWO's dream of everybody everywhere being as alike as possible. :rolleyes:
Works for me...
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The little speedbar in Il2? Not really what I was going for. In CFS3, the actual instruments on the panel could be had in standard or metric.
In IL2 you can switch the on-screen air speed and altitude indicators between standard and metric. Maybe HTC could incorporate that type of feature and add it in the display where you can see your memory use, FPS, etc.
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2nd Communication becomes a major pain when different units are used with different airplanes.
The man's got a point there.
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I guess it made no sense when I said "babel effect".
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Ho I understand now, I couldn't remember the bible reference but I do now :D
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lol the main topic got off subject quick...from talking about aircraft cockpits now about bible verses lol
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It's a suitable parable to this matter.
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It's a suitable parable to this matter.
Would you mind clarifying the Babel effect for those of us that are not as religious? :)
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The tower of babel was built to reach the heavens, at a time when everyone spoke the same language. God found it blasphemous that man could pretend to reach his height, so he threw a wrench in the works by making everyone speak different languages.
p.s. If I may say so.. You should read the Bible even if you're not religious (I'm not). It's a landmark in literature.
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Spanish 109 cockpit.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3646/3329507548_059300f5d3.jpg)
P47D40 cockpit. The more modern instruments are due to this being a flyable bird.
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3589/3329508016_907d76d218.jpg)
P39 Cockpit
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3647/3328675019_0653c16aa1.jpg)
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Or perhaps something similar to how a car's MPH instrument is, have both MPH and KPH. Do this for all instruments relevant to the problem such as Speed, Alt, Etc. As far as the E6B goes perhaps have the Metric system in parentheses beside the Imperial readings. Doesn't seem too bad, I mean we already have certain things in Metric such as gasoline and bomb weights on planes that it is appropriate for. Don't take offense to this but I would imagine the Imperial readings would still remain dominate, since I think the majority of our player base is American.(though I could be wrong.)
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The tower of babel was built to reach the heavens, at a time when everyone spoke the same language. God found it blasphemous that man could pretend to reach his height, so he threw a wrench in the works by making everyone speak different languages.
p.s. If I may say so.. You should read the Bible even if you're not religious (I'm not). It's a landmark in literature.
So is the kuran but do you read that, harry potter too :D
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The tower of babel was built to reach the heavens, at a time when everyone spoke the same language. God found it blasphemous that man could pretend to reach his height, so he threw a wrench in the works by making everyone speak different languages.
p.s. If I may say so.. You should read the Bible even if you're not religious (I'm not). It's a landmark in literature.
I have read it, family is religious, I never bought into it though. I knew that story, just somehow slipped my mind. :)
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ATA on the Bf-109G-14 anyone?!? Who in god's name decided to put the bloody thing BEHIND the gunsight?!?
Forget the instruments..... the frigging cannon ammo counter being behind the stick is far more annoying.
The MG and cannon need to be swapped. :aok
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Be nice if there was a way to switch between Standard and metric instruments in the cockpit, fair for all.
HTC personally knocked me back on that.
Bloody yanks and your ridiculous, archaic system of measurement. :lol
Seriously, fractions of an inch to measure spanners and the like.... who the hell thought that would be a good idea? :huh Just hold on while I grab my 9/16 spanner. Bloody hell.
The really annoying thing is that your stupid, stupid measurements are in silly sizes too. A 9/16 spanner is a little bit smaller than a 14mm spanner, so if you don't have a set of spanners in imperial sizes and you get stuck with a nut that is an imperial size, you're in for a world of rounded nuts and a lot of cussing. :furious You bastids.
Suck it up and switch your whole country to metric and join the rest of the world in the land of easy measurement. :aok :lol
^ That wasn't a dig at anyone.... just playin' with y'all.
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It's just a number. It doesn't matter what unit it is, only that you can use it like any other tool that fits the purpose. Seeing the exact revs on a car doesn't matter, nor what unit they are in. You can hear and feel what's going on and at worst you turn the rev meter so that redline is at 1 oclock. The units don't matter, the engine character does.