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Title: Fw 190 TL
Post by: chris3 on February 22, 2009, 03:42:59 AM
moin

i have found this pickture in the www
(http://www.geocities.com/uni1ua/bigph/fwturbo.jpg)

thought this was only a projeckt and was never built, but this pickture shows a aircraft in (testing)aktion?!

do you guys have any information about this aircraft?

cu chris3
Title: Re: Fw 190 TL
Post by: MiloMorai on February 22, 2009, 04:12:57 PM
The photo is doctored.
Title: Re: Fw 190 TL
Post by: Serenity on February 22, 2009, 07:17:05 PM
The photo is doctored.

Meat is evil.

See? I can do it too! Something other than a cynical statement lacking absolutely any explanation would be nice.
Title: Re: Fw 190 TL
Post by: MiloMorai on February 22, 2009, 07:31:20 PM
Gee, I thought I would let you show everyone how smart you are Serenity.
Title: Re: Fw 190 TL
Post by: Serenity on February 22, 2009, 07:39:24 PM
Gee, I thought I would let you show everyone how smart you are Serenity.

Well now, I don't know anything about this aircraft. But if I WERE to say it was fake, I would avoid sounding like an arse by following one of these formats:

"That is fake because..."

or

"Judging by _______, we can see this has been doctored"

or

"The _________ [debate, discussion, article, etc.] has already proven this to have been propganda"
Title: Re: Fw 190 TL
Post by: moot on February 22, 2009, 08:01:00 PM
He just said the pic is doctored.  Don't read so much into a plain simple statement of fact.
Title: Re: Fw 190 TL
Post by: choppit on February 22, 2009, 09:00:27 PM
Seeing as there is no place for the jet's exhaust to escape. Also the fact there's a defense of the Reich band and the cowling looks like the prop and spinner have been doctored out. Finally the plane is armed with WGr. 21 cm rockets and two sets of cannon, which shouldn't even be on an early prototype.
Title: Re: Fw 190 TL
Post by: Serenity on February 22, 2009, 09:02:43 PM
He just said the pic is doctored.  Don't read so much into a plain simple statement of fact.

I know, it's just rather annoying to get yet another person jumping in with just "Its doctored" and nothing else. As a rule of thumb, explain WHY you say it's doctored or keep your mouth shut. Without an explanation or justification, his statement is worthless.

Seeing as there is no place for the jet's exhaust to escape. Also the fact there's a defense of the Reich band and the cowling looks like the prop and spinner have been doctored out. Finally the plane is armed with WGr. 21 cm rockets and two sets of cannon, which shouldn't even be on an early prototype.

THERE we go. THAT is a great post/explanation!
Title: Re: Fw 190 TL
Post by: MiloMorai on February 22, 2009, 10:53:15 PM
So you were clueless then Serenity. :D

Here is 2 more choppit missed > the wheel covers and the JG26 crest.
Title: Re: Fw 190 TL
Post by: Anaxogoras on February 22, 2009, 11:01:36 PM
Why would someone go to the trouble... :confused:
Title: Re: Fw 190 TL
Post by: frank3 on February 23, 2009, 05:58:18 AM
Maybe German propaganda?

It's nicely done though!
Title: Re: Fw 190 TL
Post by: fudgums on February 23, 2009, 06:11:34 AM
So you were clueless then Serenity. :D

Here is 2 more choppit missed > the wheel covers and the JG26 crest.

wrong, it has a JG2 crest on the nose.
Title: Re: Fw 190 TL
Post by: MiloMorai on February 23, 2009, 08:08:34 AM
wrong, it has a JG2 crest on the nose.

I know it is but to let Serenity make the correction. ;)
Title: Re: Fw 190 TL
Post by: Cthulhu on February 23, 2009, 01:41:39 PM
Seeing as there is no place for the jet's exhaust to escape. Also the fact there's a defense of the Reich band and the cowling looks like the prop and spinner have been doctored out. Finally the plane is armed with WGr. 21 cm rockets and two sets of cannon, which shouldn't even be on an early prototype.

Not true:

The FW-190TL was one of the earliest Focke-Wulf jet projects. This 1941 design is based on a standard FW-190 fighter powered with a FW T.1 turbojet (600kg) in place of the BMW piston engine. The jet comprised a two-stage radial compressor, single-stage turbine and an annular combustion chamber. The exhaust passed through as annular outlet running around the circumference of the fuselage. Development was discontinued in 1942.

(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/1583/fwturbodr.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

FW.190 Turbojet data:
Length.........8.84m
Span............10.5m
Wing area....18.3sq.m
Max. speed..760km/h at sea level,
830km/h at 9,000m
Endurance..1hour 12 min.


Can't comment on the WGr. 21 cm rockets, cannon, and markings, but my guess is they're "doctored in"
Title: Re: Fw 190 TL
Post by: choppit on February 23, 2009, 05:15:12 PM
Not true:

The FW-190TL was one of the earliest Focke-Wulf jet projects. This 1941 design is based on a standard FW-190 fighter powered with a FW T.1 turbojet (600kg) in place of the BMW piston engine. The jet comprised a two-stage radial compressor, single-stage turbine and an annular combustion chamber. The exhaust passed through as annular outlet running around the circumference of the fuselage. Development was discontinued in 1942.

(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/1583/fwturbodr.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)

FW.190 Turbojet data:
Length.........8.84m
Span............10.5m
Wing area....18.3sq.m
Max. speed..760km/h at sea level,
830km/h at 9,000m
Endurance..1hour 12 min.


Can't comment on the WGr. 21 cm rockets, cannon, and markings, but my guess is they're "doctored in"

I didn't see that,good explanation. I doubt the markings and weapons are doctored in though, it looks though, that the prop and spinner are doctored out.
Title: Re: Fw 190 TL
Post by: Cthulhu on February 23, 2009, 05:50:07 PM
I didn't see that,good explanation. I doubt the markings and weapons are doctored in though, it looks though, that the prop and spinner are doctored out.
Gotta wonder how hot the cockpit gets huh?? :D
Title: Re: Fw 190 TL
Post by: Ack-Ack on February 23, 2009, 07:17:08 PM
I didn't see that,good explanation. I doubt the markings and weapons are doctored in though, it looks though, that the prop and spinner are doctored out.

Here is a better picture.

(http://discaircraft.greyfalcon.us/picturesb/rochen3.png)


ack-ack
Title: Re: Fw 190 TL
Post by: frank3 on February 24, 2009, 05:25:13 AM
It's the same picture, only smaller?

Reading Cthulhu's explanation, it might very well be a mock-up of that FW-jet, without any props being doctored-out (since there wouldn't be a prop on a jet!)
Title: Re: Fw 190 TL
Post by: expat on February 24, 2009, 10:45:00 AM
erm....maybe the prop is off to get fixed...just my tuppence
Title: Re: Fw 190 TL
Post by: Ack-Ack on February 24, 2009, 12:22:06 PM
It's the same picture, only smaller?

Reading Cthulhu's explanation, it might very well be a mock-up of that FW-jet, without any props being doctored-out (since there wouldn't be a prop on a jet!)

Yes and as I mentioned, it's a little more clear than the picture posted in the original thread.  It's easier to spot the shadow of the 2nd plane next to it but no 2nd plane is visible except the tail wheel that was left behind when the 2nd plane was cropped out but the person forgot to remove the shadow and tail wheel.


ack-ack
Title: Re: Fw 190 TL
Post by: Cthulhu on February 24, 2009, 01:12:00 PM
OK, this is still bugging me...

Turbojet, in front of fuel tank, in front of pilot? :huh  Chances are any fuel leak in that fwd tank, and it's instant inferno for the pilot. :uhoh
(http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/1583/fwturbodr.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
Makes you wonder if the Brit's didn't use a Lysander to drop those engine plans into the German's lap one night. :D