Hello there gents! Just wanted to start up a conversation topic for my fellow Jagdfliegers about the rugged G6. How do you like it for those who fly it exclusively?
Blitzin, I don't know of anyone who flies the 109G-6 exclusively, not even you. :P
But I find it a fun challenge, and the inability to out-run or out-turn a lot of the opposition forces you to use your head. That's not how most of the arena gets its kills. They find a performance trait to exploit and use that to beat their opponent into the ground...
That's the good thing about the G6. It forces you to draw from your personal ability and acm knowledge to get kills. Its a pilots plane that dictates whether or not you're a good stick. As gav said we are normally out classed by majority of the planes in the MA so when we do kill a plane that has us beat on paper, its our skill that got us that kill as well as knowing the plane itself.
and when you get killed it's cheater/ringer/hoer discounted result :rofl
Given equal pilots the F4 and G2 will eat the G6 up 1005 of the time...
Grizz and Sunsfan tested that not long ago, the results were a bit perplexing....
Again thats very much a function of the two pilots. Put Blukitty in the D11 and see what the result is.Yeah, I expect that blukitty would kill me no matter what the aircraft matchup. The point was that blitzin and I, while still two different people, are not far apart in ability. Many others also think the D-11 should win, but when we tested it that was not the case. Experience always trumps ideas in my book. ;)
At normal dueling alts the D11 matches up reasonably well with the N. While the N is clearly faster the D11 actually is equal or superior in climb under WEP and will out turn the N. So while the N has a measure of control the D can and will dominate the reversals given the chance. In a 6K merge with dueling seperation rules in effect I'd give the edge to the D11...
If you contrast that with the G2 vs spitIX, the G2 has a significant edge in speed & climb under both mil power and WEP as well as acceleration. Combine this with just about dead even turn rate (no flaps) and the spitfire is defensive across the board at lower alts. Its compounded by the spits all or nothing flaps, if the 109 can force the flaps out then the spit has lost any ability to manuever in the verticals vs the 109. The biggest obstacle for someone like me who's only an occasional 109 driver is actually hitting the shots.
Chalenge, if ya want to settle this so badly please pm me for a da appointment, this thread is for 109 pilots, not runstang whine boys. :aok
I'm pretty sure that Blitzin and I didn't have more than 1.5k separation during our D-11 vs N fights... But I invite you to try it out with someone you feel to be near your abilities and report the results to us. :salute
Anyway, back to the aircraft....
I could never figure out why guys would talk about how great the G-14 and G-6 were...until I took off the gondies. :eek:
I now fly the G-6 more than anything else, and really enjoy it a great deal. I know a lot of people want the 30 mm, but given the unpredictable nature of it (especially against spits) I'll pass. If I want a hard hitting, slow cannon I'll take a K-4 up. In the same time it takes me to line up a tater blast, I can snap off enough 12.7/20 mm combo to take a chunk out of my opponent anyway.
Advantages:
1. Generally underestimated.
2. Very powerful climb with wep.
3. Stable weapon platform.
4. Pretty. :aok
6. Style points. Very few rides are as satisfying.
Neutral:
1. Weapons. Not the hardest hitting without the gondies, (keep em off!) but good enough.
2. Speed. Faster than the F-4, but still outclassed by many LW birds.
3. Turning. It can crank around pretty well with throttle and rudder management, but she's no F model.
Weaknesses:
1. High speed maneuvering. (same with all 109's.)
2. "Soft" Hub cannon. Someone noted this earlier, and I seem to experience it as well.
I like the G-6 for it's history. The G-6 is quite simply the most produced aircraft we have in game that is represented by a single production variant. Over 12,000 were built. This is over a third of total Bf.109 production. It is the generic 109.
On top of all of this, I really do just like the way it feels. Even though performance is not up to par with most late war aircraft, from the first time I took it up it just seems that it responds the way a 109 (well, any aircraft for that matter) should respond.
I do fly other 109's, and 190's, a lot- I particularly like the F and G-14- but the G-6 will always be my favorite.
I think one of the big things about the Bf.109G-6 is that people overestimate the G-2's performance advantage over it and underestimate the positive effects of the MG131's (which don't appear in performance numbers but make the aircraft more balanced and of course give a boost in firepower). The G-14 is there just to give some perspective.
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t5/AK_Comrade/109GSeries.jpg)
BTW, Bosco, I redid the weathering on 'White 1', it looks... not like crap, now. I'm going to be redoing the other one as well, it's just wrong all over :)
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t5/AK_Comrade/3641.jpg)
What I do like about the 109's though is the opposite torque from most of the rides flown in the MA's.
That's fine if you like it, but it actually isn't ;)
109 have same torque direction as most MA rides, their prop rotating clockwise.
Counterclockwise rotating (and therefore having torque opposite from standard) are:
Yak-9U, Yak-9T
Typhoon, Tempest
Spitfire XIV
I'll post some screen shots of my canopy for you 109 pilots so you can see that it's not hard to see out of the cockpit if set properly. :salute
Here is a 109 clip from IL2 for the hearty :devil http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G60fP6EPZIo&feature=related