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Title: Flying fighters
Post by: BaldEagl on February 23, 2009, 11:20:34 PM
Well, I set aside score for this camp to concentrate on flying a lot of different aircraft again (mostly fighters).  The past few days have been frustrating as h***!  I HATE the P-40E.  What a piece of cr** next to the B model (very nice).  Making it worse it took me a full day to realize that it's .50's aren't the same as normal .50's and i had my convergence set way too long at first.

Then, let's talk about the C.202's peashooters.  You want to talk about a plane that's hard to get a kill in.  It flies great but you've got to get saddled up pounding for several seconds to damage another aircraft.  Really, I LOVE how it flies.  I now fondly think of it as my little assist machine.

For all the negative talk the La-7 is sweet but I really fell in love with the P-47N this camp.  It is a killing machine flown correctly.  Ahh... that now seems like a sweet faded memory.

I've knocked around 25 planes off my list so far and have about 16 to go.  Not sure I'll make it so this might have to extend another camp.  I'm trying to really put them though their paces, fighting one on one, furballing and even buff hunting when the opportunity presents itself (not reccommended in the C.202) and not give up on one until I at least have a positive K/D ratio in it.

I've been taking any and all of them into places I would never consider while playing for score.  It's kind of a relief to be able to jump into a me on ten again just looking for a few kills and not worrying about how I'm going to exit.

Anyway, not sure why I posted this but I'm looking forward to this weekend and knocking off a few more.

Oh, and BTW, wouldn't it be better if everyone had this attitude?  There'd be a lot more and a lot better fights in the MA not to mention aircraft diversity.  Not saying play my way... just food for thought.  Even I only do this every few months.
Title: Re: Flying fighters
Post by: Chalenge on February 23, 2009, 11:31:11 PM
I like both the P40s but only use them when the eny is really high. They are great anti-pacerr anti-La7 planes. I set my guns the same exact way as I do in the P51 and always have good luck. :aok

I saw you were in a 202 and twice tonight I tried to herd some fighters into you but I dont know if it worked out for you. I dont know if you saw what happened after I asked about dropping the one pony but... you were out of sight when I was finished there. I got called a warper for killing the second pony but hey at least I offered cover and asked before just stealing him outright. (http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq197/Chalenge08/costumed-smiley-011.gif)

(Has anyone ever seen me warp?)  :confused:
Title: Re: Flying fighters
Post by: Steve on February 23, 2009, 11:43:07 PM
I like both the P40s but only use them when the eny is really high. They are great anti-pacerr anti-La7 planes. I set my guns the same exact way as I do in the P51 and always have good luck. :aok
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I saw you warp tonight but that doesn't  mean you are a habitual warper. Could have been a server hiccup.
Title: Re: Flying fighters
Post by: Chalenge on February 23, 2009, 11:51:05 PM
I saw you warp tonight but that doesn't  mean you are a habitual warper. Could have been a server hiccup.

I have always thought you were a nice guy Steve and I dont hold it against you. I have been told connection issues show up in films and thats why I offered to forward it to Skuzzy. Some really harsh words were flying about connections on squad channel at that very moment and made it hard to shoot straight with that in my ear. (http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq197/Chalenge08/costumed-smiley-011.gif) You appeared to know where I was but if I had known you were having issues I would have left the fight.  :salute
Title: Re: Flying fighters
Post by: Steve on February 24, 2009, 12:05:06 AM
I have always thought you were a nice guy Steve and I dont hold it against you. I have been told connection issues show up in films and thats why I offered to forward it to Skuzzy. Some really harsh words were flying about connections on squad channel at that very moment and made it hard to shoot straight with that in my ear. (http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq197/Chalenge08/costumed-smiley-011.gif) You appeared to know where I was but if I had known you were having issues I would have left the fight.  :salute

Heat of the moment stuff dude. Can't say which end it was on... doesn't really matter. I was in a casual break because you weren't close to solution then  BANG. Aggravating.. not so much the death but because we were all alone and about to have a 1v1 fight.....spoiled by a warp.....*sigh*
Title: Re: Flying fighters
Post by: Chalenge on February 24, 2009, 12:12:04 AM
In all honesty I was totally shocked it was you after the fact.  :salute We have hijacked this gentlemans thread. Sorry BaldEagle. (http://i447.photobucket.com/albums/qq197/Chalenge08/costumed-smiley-011.gif)
Title: Re: Flying fighters
Post by: BaldEagl on February 24, 2009, 12:29:42 AM
Does that mean Steve was one of the three P-51's that kept running... I mean "extending" from me?  Like I'd get a killing snapshot or something in a 202.   ;)
Title: Re: Flying fighters
Post by: Steve on February 24, 2009, 12:36:06 AM
Does that mean Steve was one of the three P-51's that kept running... I mean "extending" from me?  Like I'd get a killing snapshot or something in a 202.   ;)

No I had literally just arrived, from what I remember.
Title: Re: Flying fighters
Post by: Chalenge on February 24, 2009, 01:02:48 AM
The other two 51s were SW squad.
Title: Re: Flying fighters
Post by: Anaxogoras on February 24, 2009, 01:17:37 AM
Well, I set aside score for this camp to concentrate on flying a lot of different aircraft again (mostly fighters).  The past few days have been frustrating as h***!  I HATE the P-40E.  What a piece of cr** next to the B model (very nice).  Making it worse it took me a full day to realize that it's .50's aren't the same as normal .50's and i had my convergence set way too long at first.

The P-40E's 6x.50cals are the same as the P-51, F6F, F4U, etc.  What might be different is the lousy over-the-nose view of the P-40E, which makes deflection shooting completely blind.

Glad you're having fun. ;)
Title: Re: Flying fighters
Post by: Plawranc on February 24, 2009, 03:16:02 AM
Spits are fun For deflection shooting but i bet youve already ran through the spits by now eagle
Title: Re: Flying fighters
Post by: The Fury on February 24, 2009, 04:51:44 AM


Oh, and BTW, wouldn't it be better if everyone had this attitude?  There'd be a lot more and a lot better fights in the MA not to mention aircraft diversity.  Not saying play my way... just food for thought.  Even I only do this every few months.

Nice topic BaldEagl, yes i agree if everyone had that attitude the fights would be awsome, its kinda rare these days to find a good even fight usually one country hoardes the other or they just alt monkey runtards. I fly how you mentioned my only aim is to get a few kills i dont care if i RTB or not the fact is if im flying to stay alive i turn into a rundweeb if i get in trouble so past few months i have just gone into anyone against any number of planes if i get a few kills im happy.

I havnt had the pleasure of you killing me for a very long time now Chalenge thankfully but i have never had a problem with you warping must be a recent thing.
Title: Re: Flying fighters
Post by: JunkyII on February 24, 2009, 07:12:02 AM
Ive been doing the same the past 2 months BaldEagl and have been having alot of great fun, honestly getting ganged is sometimes fun, you can see how many it takes to bring you down. Have you flown the Spit 9 yet? Thats whhat Im currently on and honestly its the best luck I have had with spits, I got a problem with sending them into a nasty stall that I cant recover(too much stick stirring :D)
Title: Re: Flying fighters
Post by: ImADot on February 24, 2009, 08:47:51 AM
I gave up playing for score after my first three or four months online.  Now I fly to have fun...and fly high eny planes like the Hurri-1 and pepper the heck outta everything with my mean .303's O' Death.   :D
Title: Re: Flying fighters
Post by: BaldEagl on February 24, 2009, 08:59:48 AM
Spits are fun For deflection shooting but i bet youve already ran through the spits by now eagle

I have flown just about every plane in the set at some point but there were a few missing that I hadn't (the P-40's and the C.202 among them).

I track my plane by plane stats for six months on a spreadsheet (yes I'm a dweeb) and try to fly every plane at least once every six months.  The thing is I quit doing that to concentrate on score for a while and now I'm playing catch-up.  Also, this time, as I mentioned I'm trying to really put each one through it's paces instead of just flying around getting a couple of picks and landing it. 

I really learned a lot about the P-38's this camp.  They are very nice fighters but don't have the speed and dive capabilities that better fit my style and without drop tanks I'm not crazy about their range.  Also, I didn't experience any noticable difference using the dive flaps in the L vs not having them in the J.  I used to think the G was my favorite but the J is sweet.

I've got to get the .205 out of the way then I think I'll be moving to more familiar territory in the 109's.  Hopefully by the weekend I'll be giving the Japanese fighters another workout or maybe the Hurris, Mossie and Typh.  Ahh... what a problem to have.

So anyway, have fun killing me.   ;)
Title: Re: Flying fighters
Post by: Shuffler on February 24, 2009, 09:57:26 AM
You mention score alot. You realize score means nothing in here as far as skill... right?
Title: Re: Flying fighters
Post by: BaldEagl on February 24, 2009, 11:49:33 AM
You mention score alot. You realize score means nothing in here as far as skill... right?

Yes but I find it fun to play for.  It gives me some objectives when I log on.  Now instead, getting in all these planes is my objective when I log on.  If I didn't have something to play for I'd probably not be playing.
Title: Re: Flying fighters
Post by: caldera on February 24, 2009, 06:35:03 PM
Yes but I find it fun to play for.  It gives me some objectives when I log on.  Now instead, getting in all these planes is my objective when I log on.  If I didn't have something to play for I'd probably not be playing.

Flying non-uber rides is way more fun than just flying spit16/p51 because everyone else seems to.  Sure, you're disadvantaged but it makes the kills seem worthwhile.
I'm at a disadvantage no matter what i fly.  :rolleyes:   This tour, i'm trying to get double digit kill #s in as many different models as possible (ENY 10 and up).
Title: Re: Flying fighters
Post by: Banshee7 on February 24, 2009, 06:38:43 PM
Yes but I find it fun to play for.  It gives me some objectives when I log on.  Now instead, getting in all these planes is my objective when I log on.  If I didn't have something to play for I'd probably not be playing.

Get some friends in here jeeez.

The enjoyment of flying WW2 aircraft should be enough to keep you wanting to play.  Friends just add to the fun  :aok
Title: Re: Flying fighters
Post by: Steve on February 24, 2009, 06:49:57 PM
Flying non-uber rides is way more fun than just flying spit16/p51 because everyone else seems to.  Sure, you're disadvantaged but it makes the kills seem worthwhile.
I'm at a disadvantage no matter what i fly.  :rolleyes:   This tour, i'm trying to get double digit kill #s in as many different models as possible (ENY 10 and up).


besides views and range, exactly what is uber about the p51?
Title: Re: Flying fighters
Post by: John Curnutte on February 24, 2009, 10:12:39 PM
 BaldEagl its funny you should write about the P-40 E's 50 Cal's because I have felt the same way . I know they are the same as the other planes with 50's but it seems as if the punch is just not there . I do have fun in it though from time to time , and in a furball you can sure surprise people in it . But it sounds as if your having a good time and that is what this game is all about .
                                                                               Nutte :salute
                                                                         
Title: Re: Flying fighters
Post by: AirFlyer on February 24, 2009, 10:45:10 PM
Still addicted to my A6M5b since near when I started. Not the worst plane, not the best either, but in the end it's a plane that doesn't let you run and your stuck for the bashing or a well-earned victory.
Title: Re: Flying fighters
Post by: Chalenge on February 24, 2009, 11:53:30 PM
besides views and range, exactly what is uber about the p51?

The people that fly them have a larger coolness factor.  :D

Skuzzy has asked that people with connection issues post a ping plot to the technical forum.
Title: Re: Flying fighters
Post by: Stang on February 25, 2009, 12:44:54 AM
The P-40's 50 cals perform exactly the same as every other american bird with 50's.  What's different is the P-40 generally flies at a slower speed, and hence when the rouds hit they have less kinetic energy than the faster american 50 cal armed birds, and do a little less damage per round. The guns are fine, either saddle up better or work on your aim. 
Title: Re: Flying fighters
Post by: caldera on February 25, 2009, 03:25:25 PM
besides views and range, exactly what is uber about the p51?

It's not easy to be good in but with speed you can engage or disengage at will.  It is a popular bnz/runner but a talented flyer makes it pretty devastating.
The 51 seems to be all you fly and you do ok in it  ;). Do you think you could post similar numbers in say an F4U-1? Same gun package. Better slow speed handling. Similar high speed maneuverability but lower top speed. I'm sure you do a lot more than bnz but the speed of the 51 is a great weapon. Probably why most of the perk planes are the fastest planes in the game. I don't think it is uber like the easy-mode spit16, but it is clearly in the upper echelon. When comparing it to the P-47n and Ta-152, I would have the 51 at 5 ENY (partly because of the numbers flown) and make the other two 10 ENY.
Title: Re: Flying fighters
Post by: John Curnutte on February 25, 2009, 05:11:49 PM
 :salute
Title: Re: Flying fighters
Post by: Cthulhu on February 25, 2009, 05:12:17 PM
The P-40's 50 cals perform exactly the same as every other american bird with 50's.  What's different is the P-40 generally flies at a slower speed, and hence when the rouds hit they have less kinetic energy than the faster american 50 cal armed birds, and do a little less damage per round. The guns are fine, either saddle up better or work on your aim. 
Assuming what you're saying is true, and the P-40's are fighting at say, 50 mph slower than their contemporaries (although I doubt it's appreciably slower in a fight than an F4F, or even an F6F for that matter) that's only about a 5% difference in kinetic energy. I honestly doubt any of us could perceive the reduction in lethality.