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Title: HTs thoughts on camping
Post by: EskimoJoe on February 26, 2009, 02:06:20 AM
From Murdr's post in the Wishlist (first link)

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,259337.0.html

HT's thoughts on Vulching, if none of you have heard before. It's new to me.

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?jd1453zqmjx

Thank you, Murdr! Now, community, what are YOUR thoughts?
Title: Re: HTs thoughts on camping
Post by: Chalenge on February 26, 2009, 03:04:07 AM
Vulching for me is just a way to keep the enemy from getting up to stop a capture. Its not a habit for me like it is so many people but yes I think it must be like Hitech says a reward for doing something like dropping ack or organizing a mission to capture a field.
Title: Re: HTs thoughts on camping
Post by: MrMeanie on February 26, 2009, 04:19:22 AM
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Title: Re: HTs thoughts on camping
Post by: Tr0jan on February 26, 2009, 06:03:01 AM
I kinda agree with HTC on that aspect.. "Its like a Reward"
Title: Re: HTs thoughts on camping
Post by: Tilt on February 26, 2009, 06:16:00 AM
if an airfield is under attack and its defence has failed/been lost then dont expect to take off unmolested.
Title: Re: HTs thoughts on camping
Post by: Oldman731 on February 26, 2009, 07:18:05 AM
I kinda agree with HTC on that aspect.. "Its like a Reward"

What kind of reward is that, for crying out loud?  Shooting up planes on the runway?  Give me a break.

- oldman
Title: Re: HTs thoughts on camping
Post by: whiteman on February 26, 2009, 08:12:15 AM
Vulching for me is just a way to keep the enemy from getting up to stop a capture. Its not a habit for me like it is so many people but yes I think it must be like Hitech says a reward for doing something like dropping ack or organizing a mission to capture a field.

agree 100%. If our capturing the field it's fair game but vulching a field in a 190 while 10 guys are flying around and a single one of those 10 is engaged is comedy.
Title: Re: HTs thoughts on camping
Post by: Anaxogoras on February 26, 2009, 08:19:21 AM
Vulching can be be a necessary tool for field capture, but otherwise it's not a rewarding way to play the game.

There are pilots who deack a field simply to vulch and make no attempt to capture.
Title: Re: HTs thoughts on camping
Post by: chewiex on February 26, 2009, 08:26:14 AM
How many times in WW2 were the Axis/Allied airfeilds hit while planes were taking off or landing? Not a lot....but it did happen. So, in my opinion, whats fair in war is fair here in AH2. Though I HATE getting vulched and camped, I will, if the time comes or is right, do unto others as they have done unto me. While it sux getting picked off the runway 20 times in a row, if you let that happen, then thats your bad.

SALUTE everyone.
A8Chewey
Title: Re: HTs thoughts on camping
Post by: Anaxogoras on February 26, 2009, 08:28:43 AM
Just listened to HT's opinion.  It explains a lot about AH gameplay! :lol

How many times in WW2 were the Axis/Allied airfeilds hit while planes were taking off or landing? Not a lot....but it did happen. So, in my opinion, whats fair in war is fair here in AH2. Though I HATE getting vulched and camped, I will, if the time comes or is right, do unto others as they have done unto me. While it sux getting picked off the runway 20 times in a row, if you let that happen, then thats your bad.

SALUTE everyone.
A8Chewey

The "if they did it in the war it's necessarily ok in the game" argument has been refuted many, many times.
Title: Re: HTs thoughts on camping
Post by: Rolex on February 26, 2009, 08:30:14 AM
This reminds me, we really need to set up a training clinic on vulching. 60 minutes on the art of setting up the vulch, preferred planes and ammo load, how to fly Cuban 8's on runway headings and last, but not least... how to laugh and have fun.  ;)
Title: Re: HTs thoughts on camping
Post by: moot on February 26, 2009, 08:36:01 AM
To the victors the spoils (and indigestion if you don't pay attention to darbars).
Title: Re: HTs thoughts on camping
Post by: Stampf on February 26, 2009, 08:41:15 AM
agree 100%. If our capturing the field it's fair game but vulching a field in a 190 while 10 guys are flying around and a single one of those 10 is engaged is comedy.

It's ok in any other plane though... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: HTs thoughts on camping
Post by: ImADot on February 26, 2009, 08:41:26 AM
How many times in WW2 were the Axis/Allied airfeilds hit while planes were taking off or landing? Not a lot....but it did happen. So, in my opinion, whats fair in war is fair here in AH2.
Only difference is that in war, the vulched is dead and cannot re-up to kill anyone ever again.  In AH2 nobody dies and the vulched can re-up as many times as they feel like doing so.  So, vulching in AH2 has nothing to do with real war tactics and any argument to the contrary is meaningless.  As far as gameplay goes, vulching in support of a field capture is justified - vulching to pad your score and puff up your ego is dweebery.
Title: Re: HTs thoughts on camping
Post by: Ghosth on February 26, 2009, 08:57:06 AM
First off if you up from a capped field and get vulched the shames on you. Period.
If your not savvy enough to take a look around in the tower and see if you can get up or not, you deserve what you get.
I can't improve on the way Hitech said it. However like anything, it gets carried to extremes at times. Little generals screaming about kill the town while they sit over the field and vulch etc. There are guys who really want to do nothing else. However they are often the same guys who won't deack, because they might get killed, or use ammo they could need to rack up another easy kill. Thats where the AH community comes in. We need to first educate, and then police our own.

On the flip side, instead of taking off from that vulched field, up from the next one over, bring something fast, and go vulch the vulchers! They are almost always low, often low on fuel and ammo waiting for the capture. So scream in, kill the troops, vulch the vulchers, and land your kills! There is nothing more satisfying.
Title: Re: HTs thoughts on camping
Post by: Stampf on February 26, 2009, 08:58:55 AM
First off if you up from a capped field and get vulched the shames on you. Period.
If your not savvy enough to take a look around in the tower and see if you can get up or not, you deserve what you get.
I can't improve on the way Hitech said it. However like anything, it gets carried to extremes at times. Little generals screaming about kill the town while they sit over the field and vulch etc. There are guys who really want to do nothing else. However they are often the same guys who won't deack, because they might get killed, or use ammo they could need to rack up another easy kill. Thats where the AH community comes in. We need to first educate, and then police our own.

On the flip side, instead of taking off from that vulched field, up from the next one over, bring something fast, and go vulch the vulchers! They are almost always low, often low on fuel and ammo waiting for the capture. So scream in, kill the troops, vulch the vulchers, and land your kills! There is nothing more satisfying.

This is Wisdom.
Title: Re: HTs thoughts on camping
Post by: whiteman on February 26, 2009, 09:07:58 AM
It's ok in any other plane though... :rolleyes:
No but 96% of the time I see this situation that i described happen it's a 190 of some version. Makes sense it's a flying tank, good armor, speed and has a huge gun package. Strike a nerve, if you don't do it why should it matter what plane a I mention?
Title: Re: HTs thoughts on camping
Post by: Stampf on February 26, 2009, 09:12:38 AM
 :rofl  :aok
Title: Re: HTs thoughts on camping
Post by: WWhiskey on February 26, 2009, 09:21:03 AM
Only difference is that in war, the vulched is dead and cannot re-up to kill anyone ever again.  In AH2 nobody dies and the vulched can re-up as many times as they feel like doing so.  So, vulching in AH2 has nothing to do with real war tactics and any argument to the contrary is meaningless.  As far as gameplay goes, vulching in support of a field capture is justified - vulching to pad your score and puff up your ego is dweebery.
very true, the vulcheeees, did not have anything to say about it because they were dead,
kinda like those who got ho ed,the only one who has anything to say about a ho in real life is the winner,
and i bet thats nice, the lack of that whine
Title: Re: HTs thoughts on camping
Post by: Tr0jan on February 26, 2009, 09:30:03 AM
very true, the vulcheeees, did not have anything to say about it because they were dead,
kinda like those who got ho ed,the only one who has anything to say about a ho in real life is the winner,
and i bet thats nice, the lack of that whine


 :lol
Title: Re: HTs thoughts on camping
Post by: moot on February 26, 2009, 09:32:00 AM
No but 96% of the time I see this situation that i described happen it's a 190 of some version. Makes sense it's a flying tank, good armor, speed and has a huge gun package. Strike a nerve, if you don't do it why should it matter what plane a I mention?
Get a clue..
Title: Re: HTs thoughts on camping
Post by: whiteman on February 26, 2009, 09:36:51 AM
Get a clue..

post one..
Title: Re: HTs thoughts on camping
Post by: moot on February 26, 2009, 09:47:09 AM
It's not a flying tank, doesn't have exceptional armor (hello radiator?) except in the F8's case (lose parts in that one and any noob will outfly you), only the D9 has good speed but that's offset by the worse maneuvering in the game. Huge gun package?  Only on the heavy A8 loadouts and 152, the D9 and A5 are anemic for all their other good qualities.. The F8 is a dumptruck.
Boiling this clue down to its essentials says "you don't know what you're talking about".
Title: Re: HTs thoughts on camping
Post by: whiteman on February 26, 2009, 09:58:50 AM
See you could have posted that first but then that would have made to much sense. I don't fly the 190's, from watching them blast through the ack and come out the other side not smoking and not seeing parts fall off they seem to hold up pretty good in my eyes.
Title: Re: HTs thoughts on camping
Post by: moot on February 26, 2009, 10:02:39 AM
Nowhere near actual characteristics.. You can do the ack coal-walk with the right oscillation in any plane that's flying fast enough.
Title: Re: HTs thoughts on camping
Post by: Cthulhu on February 26, 2009, 10:46:15 AM
It's not a flying tank, doesn't have exceptional armor (hello radiator?) except in the F8's case (lose parts in that one and any noob will outfly you), only the D9 has good speed but that's offset by the worse maneuvering in the game. Huge gun package?  Only on the heavy A8 loadouts and 152, the D9 and A5 are anemic for all their other good qualities.. The F8 is a dumptruck.
Boiling this clue down to its essentials says "you don't know what you're talking about".
M00t speaks with wisdom. If any plane has a glass jaw, it's the radiator on the D9. Deacking, or even getting too near the ack is a real gamble in that thing.

When one of our bases is under heavy attack and at risk of being capped, I like to take a D9 to the enemy airfield and harrass the guys upping before they can get back into the fight over my home field. I may or may not make any kills (it's pretty easy to dodge a Dora pass), but I can tie up several guys who would otherwise be on their way back to cap my field. This may buy enough time for my countrymen to shift the fight away from our field towards the enemy. I don't consider this vulching or camping, and if I squander my energy, it pretty much becomes a suicide mission (especially if you're dumb enough to take that "flying tank" thru the ack  :D).
Title: Re: HTs thoughts on camping
Post by: Oldman731 on February 26, 2009, 11:21:53 AM
Though I HATE getting vulched and camped, I will, if the time comes or is right, do unto others as they have done unto me.

What I'm missing, I suppose, is this:  What possible pleasure do you get from a kill that takes virtually no effort on your part?

- oldman
Title: Re: HTs thoughts on camping
Post by: Murdr on February 26, 2009, 11:28:53 AM
oldman, it's like finding a $5 laying on the sidewalk :)
Title: Re: HTs thoughts on camping
Post by: Anaxogoras on February 26, 2009, 11:31:20 AM
oldman, it's like finding a $.05 laying on the sidewalk :)
Fixed. :)
Title: Re: HTs thoughts on camping
Post by: Murdr on February 26, 2009, 11:34:30 AM
regardless, if it's beneath you to bend over and pick it up.  That's ok...I'll get it :)
Title: Re: HTs thoughts on camping
Post by: Wedge1126 on February 26, 2009, 12:05:40 PM
Some people may find it fun and challenging to take off from capped field. Also, some people may find it fun to shoot at planes trying to take off. Why spoil their fun?

If you don't want to get vulched, don't take off from a capped field. If you don't want to shoot planes on a runway, don't.
Title: Re: HTs thoughts on camping
Post by: Tec on February 26, 2009, 12:19:19 PM
If you don't want to get vulched, don't take off from a capped field. If you don't want to shoot planes on a runway, don't.

DING DING DING WINNAR!!!!

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Title: Re: HTs thoughts on camping
Post by: Jenks on February 26, 2009, 12:22:40 PM
This reminds me, we really need to set up a training clinic on vulching. 60 minutes on the art of setting up the vulch, preferred planes and ammo load, how to fly Cuban 8's on runway headings and last, but not least... how to laugh and have fun.  ;)

Many moons ago, Gruppe Outlaws used to do what we called a Nikee raid. The point was for the whole squad to survive , land kills together, and get our names "in lights" . Quite a dweebish (if I understand the term correctly) thing to do. But it was a hoot! 

We would takes heavy N1ks, to a base currently not under attack. Preferably a small base (less ack) and better still, one that was at a lower altitude than our base. Once we got there, first thing was to take out the VH (didn't need any pesky osti's shooting at us). If there were enough of us, those who still had ordinance when the VH dropped, would drop other things, radar, ord, etc. Next, de-ack it. Then...... start the vulch. 

Today, I disdain vulching. Not really for any altruistic reasons.  I've just been there, done that.  I'm trying to be a better cartoon air combat pilot and therefore I seek out the air to air fights. Not that I'm looking for a fair air duel either. I will try to gain the advantage when I can. It's just a lot more interesting is all.

<S> Jenksie
Title: Re: HTs thoughts on camping
Post by: Shuffler on February 26, 2009, 12:22:50 PM
It rewards the dirt farmers. Kills a fight.
Title: Re: HTs thoughts on camping
Post by: Chalenge on February 26, 2009, 12:47:11 PM
I have more then a few Ostie films shooting 190s as they pass through our ack before the ack has been shot at all. I have seen 190D9s too but it probably isnt the smartest thing they can do. I dont think I would call any 190 the number one vulcher though.
Title: Re: HTs thoughts on camping
Post by: Belial on February 26, 2009, 01:19:57 PM
if you dont like camping i have illistrated an instructional picture with the paint program for how to fix the camping problem. 

http://www.speedyshare.com/657761828.html
Title: Re: HTs thoughts on camping
Post by: Cthulhu on February 26, 2009, 01:52:12 PM
I have more then a few Ostie films shooting 190s as they pass through our ack before the ack has been shot at all. I have seen 190D9s too but it probably isnt the smartest thing they can do. I dont think I would call any 190 the number one vulcher though.
Trying to "vulch" (deacked field, vultures circling low, victims rolling) in a 190 can be extremely annoying (especially in a D9). You have to keep your speed up a bit, and unless you're lucky, it's hard to get your nose around in time before someone else disposes of the poor guy first. I used to get really frustrated by this and inevitably pushed my luck until I crashed. Now I usually just accept it and wait for guys to actually get airborne before I drop on them. Nothing chivalrous mind you, just tired of crashing. :D
Title: Re: HTs thoughts on camping
Post by: ColKLink on March 01, 2009, 07:18:46 AM
Vulching is a kings sport, not ment to be enjoyed by the mass's. :rock
Title: Re: HTs thoughts on camping
Post by: Urchin on March 01, 2009, 10:24:30 AM
Well, listening to that answered a question I've had for a while.  I think HT truly does approve of the gameplay in the MA.
Title: Re: HTs thoughts on camping
Post by: bj229r on March 01, 2009, 01:09:32 PM
What I'm missing, I suppose, is this:  What possible pleasure do you get from a kill that takes virtually no effort on your part?

- oldman
You have obviously never been to furball lake :eek:
Title: Re: HTs thoughts on camping
Post by: Spikes on March 01, 2009, 01:34:53 PM
If someone were to complain about getting vulched, up from a different field in a 109A8. You can get 6 or 7 kills off with that thing. Easy kills on low n slow vulchers.
Title: Re: HTs thoughts on camping
Post by: bj229r on March 01, 2009, 01:49:19 PM
The smart vulching squads keep a few guys on high cap for just such an emergency :aok