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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: StokesAk on March 02, 2009, 08:35:07 PM
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I know that many people think of countries differently. Is this true? For example the Rooks as Alt potatos and the Bishops taking alot of bases and the Knights that cant seem to win the war?
Is the grass really greener on the other side?
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There may be some more standout base taking squads as Bish, but ultimately, no, each country flies the same. Each country has armchair generals on range so if you are looking for a chess piece to stay with permanently (which I would not recommend), hang around the big fights and see which countrymen on range annoy you the least. There's your winner!
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Is the grass really greener on the other side?
No
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I know that many people think of countries differently. Is this true? For example the Rooks as Alt potatos
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I know that many people think of countries differently. Is this true? For example the Rooks as Alt potatos and the Bishops taking alot of bases and the Knights that cant seem to win the war?
Is the grass really greener on the other side?
Nope....I've never flown bish...but I have flown rooks. Basically rooks and knights and I assume bish...all the same.
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:roflThere may be some more standout base taking squads as Bish, but ultimately, no, each country flies the same. Each country has armchair generals on range so if you are looking for a chess piece to stay with permanently (which I would not recommend), hang around the big fights and see which countrymen on range annoy you the least. There's your winner!
Correct, I have flown with all three and keep going back to the knights, I hate J0kers voice so i stay away from bish, but rooks got this thing for stealing my kills, i swear ill be almost done with a guy in a 1v1 then boom hes dead.
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Each country has armchair generals on range
Unless you piss FORTRESS off so much that he actually changes countries for the first time in four years. Hahaha
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I say this question misses the point. It doesn't matter if countries do follow some trends. Those trends are as fluid as fish in water. You just have to poke at them for them to change.
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flew knights from the time i subscribed until last summer when my old squad went on tour. Left said squad as a rook and have stayed there since. They are all the same. I seem to get more check 6s from rooks but other than that its all gravy.
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flew knights from the time i subscribed until last summer when my old squad went on tour. Left said squad as a rook and have stayed there since. They are all the same. I seem to get more check 6s from rooks but other than that its all gravy.
I hate gravy :furious
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You know, it's funny. If you had asked me a month ago I would've flat out said "No, all the countries are the same," but recently I have noticed subtle differences in countries. Now I don't know if it's just what individual sticks or squads have settled on each team, but I definitely notice that when fighting rooks, they routinely come in at 15k (not all of them, but a good number). I'm not saying every rook is a runner, but it seems that when you get some to blow their E, they tend to dive away. I like fighting the knights the best, they may not take bases but they sure do like to furball it seems, and I'm always all-for a good furball.
If you think about it, it would seem to make sense that each country would be slightly different. It's really hard to get away from the mob mentality (yes, even in a video game); when you see your friendlies doing it, you tend to want to do it as well. Plus, the new players will ask teammates for advice, so the team's flying style gets passed on more-or-less.
Being a bishop I tend to see a lot of missions (seems to be less being posted as of late, now that I think about it) and usually a pretty good furball going most of the time. I've also noticed we get vulture parties going on a pretty regular basis.
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Each country has armchair generals on range so if you are looking for a chess piece to stay with permanently
I've posted it before but there are rules to be an arm chair general.
1. YOU MUST USE CAPS FOR EVERYTHING ON CHANNEL 2!
2. You must alternate between exclamation marks (!) and one digits (1) at the end of every sentence!!!!111!!!
3. You must forego the use of the S keyz and use Z keyz instead.
4. You must repeat everything twice.
4. You must repeat everything twice.
5. You must know that any difficulty can be solved by adding another 30 guys to your NOE mission. Continue to use caps to announce your mission on channel 2 until you get the number needed.
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Did I miss anything?
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I've posted it before but there are rules to be an arm chair general.
1. YOU MUST USE CAPS FOR EVERYTHING ON CHANNEL 2!
2. You must alternate between exclamation marks (!) and one digits (1) at the end of every sentence!!!!111!!!
3. You must forego the use of the S keyz and use Z keyz instead.
4. You must repeat everything twice.
4. You must repeat everything twice.
5. You must know that any difficulty can be solved by adding another 30 guys to your NOE mission. Continue to use caps to announce your mission on channel 2 until you get the number needed.
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Did I miss anything?
6. Excessive use of hypothetical questions directed at nobody. "Ummm rooks, why is 65 ord not porked we have a cv their!!!!1!!!1!"
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Seems to me the more recognized people can get help out of anyone. Ghi and J0ker and Busher or Falcon23 have big followings and get good response when setting up missions or asking for help at defending a base. I like to lone wolf and start trouble on my own so no one steals my kills... :D but I do join in sometimes.
Your all going to die! (squad motto) :devil
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Clearly no difference :noid ;)
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Your all going to die! (squad motto) :devil
That is a fact.
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You know, it's funny. If you had asked me a month ago I would've flat out said "No, all the countries are the same," but recently I have noticed subtle differences in countries. Now I don't know if it's just what individual sticks or squads have settled on each team, but I definitely notice that when fighting rooks, they routinely come in at 15k (not all of them, but a good number). I'm not saying every rook is a runner, but it seems that when you get some to blow their E, they tend to dive away.
(http://www.jtsystems.demon.co.uk/duma/images/cartoons/looserivets/151200.jpg)
15k is the height of our upper parapet Runways in our Castles ... 25k is normal Rook cruising Alt . :D
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No matter how high you are there will always be a Rook P51 5K higher than you. (Old bish saying)
I will had that if you come co alt it will always dive straight to the deck.
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No matter how high you are there will always be a Rook P51 5K higher than you. (Old bish saying)
I will had that if you come co alt it will always dive straight to the deck.
That also discribes 99.9% Bish P51's.
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BTW, I tend to dismiss any voiced opinions about that matter by players being proud of sticking to their home chesspiece from start.
If you never left rooks, chances are good your statements about knight & bish are just biased crap :P
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I switch sides on an almost daily basis, and in the end every side is the same. You have your good sticks, and you have your dweebs, runners, alt-monkeys etc. I mostly fly Mid-War mostly but I find it hard that this is any different in LW.
P.S. Oh, yes, I am a spy and I'm reporting all your CV locations! :uhoh
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Do Rooks and Knits have thier resident Friday night wine-o?
(http://www.cheapfunwines.com/archives/pictures/wildirishrose.jpg)
See y'all Friday. ;)
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Again for emphasis:
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Nothing more need be said.
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As far back as I can recall it's been like this.
Rooks kill the most, die the least.
Bish die the most, kill the least.
Knits in the middle.
I find it fascinating that every tour is like that, and has been for years upon years.
Why is that I wonder?
I agree that all three countries are "in general" the same, but there are obviously some differences.
They have to be some diff. between them otherwise it wouldn't ALWAYS be...
Rooks kill the most, die the least.
Bish die the most, kill the least.
Knits in the middle.
If they were all the same that would switch around.
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lusche can you expand that graph to include the last 30 tours,
i think i see a Rook depression.
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All sides are more the same than different.
I should know, I fly them all.
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I've posted it before but there are rules to be an arm chair general.
1. YOU MUST USE CAPS FOR EVERYTHING ON CHANNEL 2!
2. You must alternate between exclamation marks (!) and one digits (1) at the end of every sentence!!!!111!!!
3. You must forego the use of the S keyz and use Z keyz instead.
4. You must repeat everything twice.
4. You must repeat everything twice.
5. You must know that any difficulty can be solved by adding another 30 guys to your NOE mission. Continue to use caps to announce your mission on channel 2 until you get the number needed.
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Did I miss anything?
Said armchair general must assign all members of squad A (that he anklehumps) to hangers and after all members of that squad drop only one hanger is down (at least 3 dropping on vh).
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I know that many people think of countries differently. Is this true? For example the Rooks as Alt potatos and the Bishops taking alot of bases and the Knights that cant seem to win the war?
Is the grass really greener on the other side?
I think u just nailed it, Well thats what i think about the countrys anyway :)
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lusche can you expand that graph to include the last 30 tours,
i think i see a Rook depression.
Not now, but here are last year's K/D:
(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/1682/countryqi6.jpg)
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Clearly no difference :noid ;)
is it possible to do a graph of base captures per country?
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As far back as I can recall it's been like this.
Rooks kill the most, die the least.
Bish die the most, kill the least.
Knits in the middle.
I find it fascinating that every tour is like that, and has been for years upon years.
Why is that I wonder?
Once I thought thats because of a few, prominent squads and their leaders and their specific style of gampelay. And as we all know, birds of a feather flock together...
But since I found that the K/D differences had been the very same since beginning of Aces high, I have massive doubts about that. Too many players came & went, gameplay has changed, squads have changed, yet the K/D differences had been quite stable...
is it possible to do a graph of base captures per country?
No
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Too many players came & went, gameplay has changed, squads have changed, yet the K/D differences had been quite stable...
Which brings back my question...
Why?
I too woulda though with players and squads comin' and going that the graph would change, yet on the whole, it doesn't seem to.
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Not now, but here are last year's K/D:
(http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/1682/countryqi6.jpg)
While your at it, post the graphs of the dailiy country populations for the last year. Without that, your little K/D graph explains nothing.
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While your at it, post the graphs of the dailiy country populations for the last year.
Not possible
Without that, your little K/D graph explains nothing.
Was never meant to explain anything.
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Which brings back my question...
Why?
I too woulda though with players and squads comin' and going that the graph would change, yet on the whole, it doesn't seem to.
My only idea... uneven distribution of new players at their first login. But that's really a wild guess only.
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You commented against the "it's the pilot, not the plane" quote (which I have agreed with you on for some time, by the way), and explained why it wasn't so easy to say that.
This falls into the same category. Simply stating "the rooks kill more" is a gross oversimplification of the matter and doesn't take into account all the reasons WHY.
SHawk for example, has a very high rank and kill/death ratio, but most pilots when they catch him without his 10 escorts have been able to kill him quite easily.
Rooks usually come in from the stratosphere, in great numbers, and bounce/vulch cons on the deck, and run the second anybody comes in from another field with enough alt to contest their presence.
That is really a lack of skill being rewarded, more than showing they HAVE skill.
Bish tend to spread out, they have their hordes (as do knits at times), and usually tend to fight it out when engaged. They like their missions, that's for sure.
Knits... well knits are annoying as hell at times. Herding cats would be easier. As a team they leave a LOT to be desired. I'm flying knits for squadron consideration, but before joining this squad I did rotate. I hold no loyalty to an arbitrary chess piece. We can come in low or high (to be fair most I see seem to be mid-range, 8-12k or lower), and sometimes we can horde but generally it's not because of giant missions intended to smash opposition, it's more like a flash mob.
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Was never meant to explain anything.
So....your reason for posting it, was?
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So....your reason for posting it, was?
I found it notable, and maybe of interest in a discussion where some say "there are none" differences and some say "there are"
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SHawk for example, has a very high rank and kill/death ratio, but most pilots when they catch him without his 10 escorts have been able to kill him quite easily.
I disagree. Shawk doesn't need 10 escorts. He and I went to a base (He C-hog and I in a D-hog) and landed 10 or more a piece multiple times
Rooks usually come in from the stratosphere, in great numbers, and bounce/vulch cons on the deck, and run the second anybody comes in from another field with enough alt to contest their presence.
Can be said for all three countries
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Viewing Lusche's graph:
If we saw a consistency of those same relative k/d values over several years, wouldn't that suggest some consistent player base for each country that is determining its performance over the years?
I wonder how (if at all) country allegiance might be related to a player's real life chess-playing experience.
In chess scoring:
Queen = 13
ROOK = 5
BISHOP = 3
KNIGHT = 3 (equal to Bishop, though some rate Knights at 3.25 because of superior maneuverability)
Pawn = 1
Now:
Do the math.
On Lusche's k/d values, the numbers roughly show a 5:3 ROOK ratio to KNIGHTS-BISHOPS!
regards, T. E. Shaw
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Viewing Lusche's graph:
If we saw a consistency of those same relative k/d values over several years, wouldn't that suggest some consistent player base for each country that is determining its performance over the years?
But things change a lot in Aces High. Player base changed tremendously over the years. Only a tiny percentage of players is still here since '99. Players come, players go, allegiances shift, gamplay changed and so on.
Considering all that, I really don't believe country "traditions" are that strong in Aces High that they are the sole reason for this K/D anomaly for the whole 10 years of Aces High.
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SHawk for example, has a very high rank and kill/death ratio, but most pilots when they catch him without his 10 escorts have been able to kill him quite easily.
We refer to his escorts as his cabana boys.
I must be worse than most pilots, I find Shawk to be a quite competent stick. He's a good guy too. He chooses to play the game the way he enjoys it and some people don't care for it. to them I say: "Nuts"
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Its funny Lusche is correct I believe , about how things change . This game is fluid and although the changes occur with time they do occur . Now when I started a couple of years ago Knights had numbers and won lots of wars , and the big gripe then was how ENY is a sham. Now Knights have fewer numbers and defend IMO bases very well because we have to with low numbers. Soon there will be another shift and so on and so on , its the nature of the game . As a member of Precision we went on tour and changed country's and found the experience to be enjoyable really and we met lots of nice people in the other two country's . But they are basically the same , to me anyways .
Nutte :salute
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Lol i meant to say Monkeys
And with the other chess pieces the should be a "Pawn" country reserved for 2 weekers.
P.S. I used spell check this time.
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BTW, I tend to dismiss any voiced opinions about that matter by players being proud of sticking to their home chesspiece from start.
If you never left rooks, chances are good your statements about knight & bish are just biased crap :P
\ this must explain why I never see you fly bish lusche..
:noid
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\ this must explain why I never see you fly bish lusche..
:noid
:D
It's true, I have more "kills of" (23898) Bish than "kills as" (2643) ... But I started my AH career as a Bish and do still a few hops as one occasionally :)
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It's true, I have more "kills of" (23898) Bish than "kills as" (2643) ... But I started my AH career as a Bish and do still a few hops as one occasionally :)
Sort of like everyone else that changes countries. You will stay where your safe and can perk points in horde and hide.
Again your graph should say one thing that is obvious, rooks horde and outnumber the opposition which leads to a higher K/D, usually having more people on game at any given time will do that.
Second, as stated by many, you will rarely ever find a rook alone without 10 wingmen at 15k.
Your graph already confirms what we know, rooks will run from a fight when any advantage is put on them. Hence, NOE's are meant to not only take what you wont die for or defend, but to thin you out, when we do that, the bbs lights up with the whines about noe's.
Everyone wants to fight, but only when your in a horde will rooks fight, cant find a fight without going to a horde. Maybe NOE's ain't so bad after all, it weakens the horde and forces you to spread it thin, if not you lose ground, and you guys with the K/D complex rarely are the ones to separate from the horde.
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:rofl
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From my perspective as a bishop over the years i've felt rooks fly higher and more timidly than knights- as a generalisation.
Lusche, have you the k/d for the spit14 last tour? I know i flew it like an absolute dweeb last tour, i wonder who was the other dweeb that inflated its usual crappy stats. :) :noid
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Lusche, have you the k/d for the spit14 last tour? I know i flew it like an absolute dweeb last tour, i wonder who was the other dweeb that inflated its usual crappy stats.
I think it was some rook alt-monkey who inflated Spit 14's K/D by mainly hunting buffs in it...
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noobs thinking its awesome cause its a spit and its perked. they end up trying to dogfight in it and ultimately FAIL.
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:rofl
Agreed
:rofl
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seems like bish have more little ones, and rooks theres alot of BnZers and cherry pickers
-BigBOBCH
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It has occured to me that the bishops always have the most numbers. Only very early in the morning and during FSO out perk bonus is more than 1.50. And yet we always get horded and ganged.....Odd.
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As a knit I prefer fighting bish because it's less gas wasted chasing the rooks to 22k and 5 sectors out.
Hence maybe the bish just get hit more because they actually are worth fighting?
:D
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From my perspective as a bishop over the years i've felt rooks fly higher and more timidly than knights- as a generalisation.
Lusche, have you the k/d for the spit14 last tour? I know i flew it like an absolute dweeb last tour, i wonder who was the other dweeb that inflated its usual crappy stats. :) :noid
I had a 9 K/D in it :)
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I know that many people think of countries differently. Is this true? For example the Rooks as Alt potatos and the Bishops taking alot of bases and the Knights that cant seem to win the war?
Is the grass really browner on the other side?
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Do countries differ as much as you think they do?
Yes
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As a knit I prefer fighting bish because it's less gas wasted chasing the rooks to 22k and 5 sectors out.
Hence maybe the bish just get hit more because they actually are worth fighting?
:D
As a rook, i am bored of chasing the astronaut bish/knit, who refuse to fight me under 10k, unless they come in hordes.
:D
And now you can rotate those three chess pieces until all of them have had their place in the beginning of this statement.
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My only idea... uneven distribution of new players at their first login. But that's really a wild guess only.
That would be my guess, we bish do seem to get a tremendous amount of Noob's, always new ID's showing up
then they are gone.
OR Rooks have better aircraft mechanics :lol
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Played for all countries over the years, only thing I can say for sure is Rooks have far, far, far better hair.
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I had a 9 K/D in it :)
That's nice, but with only 18 kills in it total, that wasn't exactly inflating the 14's overall stats ;)
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Well at least i didn't destroy the KI61s stats last tour :D
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Each country has a core of 'devoted' people that do not switch countries. Some do this out of an allegiance to the chess piece, others do it simply because they know that is where they can find their mates.
If that core of dedicated players display a certain set of traits, others of like mind will flock to that banner. It's not a good thing or a bad thing... it's just nature. Most people like to 'win' at whatever they may want to do with their time in the game. Being around people with the same objective will increase the chance of your 'victory'.
I have noticed in my playing time zone (and I've said this a million times before, but it seems to match others' assessments of country trends) that the Bish have a core of players who do like to capture bases. Other people who like to do the same will find more success when working with the accomplished base takers and thus get their sense of gratification more often when playing with players of this style.
The Rooks are a far more squad-based country. Country channel is almost dead compared to the Bish country channel... all of the chatter seems to happen on range or squad channels. I know that 90% of my chatter takes place on Squad. This isn't a bad thing... I log on to fly with my mates and I like to be able to hear them without having a million other blokes trying to chatter away pointlessly on range.
I've spent very little time with the Knights. They seem to be more squad based than the Bish but not quite as much as the Rooks. If I'm looking for a hard fight, though, I will always go to the Knight front. The Bish (mostly, there are obviously some excellent sticks that fly Bish) only put up a good fight if they are in great numbers. Don't get me wrong, these fights are more fun than anything else a lot of the time, the Bish just seem to need to have a large group at hand to really be interested in a dogfight.
So, basically, I do think that each of the countries do have their own subtle, underlying differences but rather than cast this in a negative light like many do, I prefer to look at it as a good thing. Each country offers any given player a place to call 'home'. The furballers have a 'home' (provided the numbers are even), the base-takers have a 'home' and those who like a bit of both also have a 'home'. This is a positive thing, each country has a certain 'feel'.
I will say this, though, the Bish are the easiest to feel welcome with. Country channel is very friendly, open and inviting and there are lots of people there willing to lend a hand and work with new guys. I noticed a massive difference in this regard in the two weeks where I switched to the Rooks before I joined the Prawns. The calibre of Rook wingmen is light years above what you find (typically) with the Bish but there is less of the welcoming atmosphere that the Bish display so freely. This is a product of the Rooks being a more squad-based country, I believe.
To me, that just furthers my opinion that each country offers something different to people who are looking for a certain 'environment' to play the game in.
It took me a long time to feel 'at home' with the Rooks. There are now heaps and heaps of guys that are not in my squad that I'll have a chat with when I see them on range but even though it has been years since I was a Bish, I still get more of a response when I log in and type 'G'day lads' on country channel.
:salute
The differences are good. :salute
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I see no difference between the countries myself, I get killed just as easily when flying Rooks, Knights, and Bish.... :rofl
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Hey ThndrEgg
My preferred drink....Warbird beer... CHEERS! :aok
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That's nice, but with only 18 kills in it total, that wasn't exactly inflating the 14's overall stats ;)
True :lol
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I hate gravy :furious
what did i do to you? :huh :lol