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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Sikboy on March 04, 2009, 07:19:50 PM
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(Yes, even you Maverick! :) )
I'm switching teams. I grew up Navy, Served Navy, but now the Navy has failed me. They offer me nothing interesting to do as an Officer. So I'm aiming for a Commission in the Texas National Guard. The Navy will only let me come back as an Intel Officer or a JAG, and neither of those holds much interest for me (though admittedly, coming in as an 0-3 JAG would have its benefits, but I can't move the Family from Dallas right now so the point is moot).
I know this may sound odd to some, but I think I'll be happiest in the Infantry. So now I'm soliciting advice from anyone who's gone before me, whether you were infantry, Armor (looking at you Mav), Engineer, Aviation... anything. I've been around the Blue all my life, so I'm trying to figure out the Green.
-Sik
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PM SoonerMP. He is ex-armor and almost out of OU. He's got a long squealing email address too.
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Lol! Thanks Karaya. I was actually an MP not Armor (although that is a cool job) while on active duty, playing the role of an engineer now in the reserves.
My question is why Infantry? They have my respect because they do the crap jobs I don't want to do. My advice would be to really take a good look at what you really want to do. We have a few guys from the navy and air force in my unit and they seem to like the transition for the most part. Be warned though, the army can and will screw you just as much as any other branch so don't make any snap decisions.
<S> on you commission though! Feel free to PM me if you have any more questions.
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Go Armor or Calvary. Everything else is just combat support.
:noid
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Go Armor or Calvary. Everything else is just combat support.
:noid
There's a good question for ya... I have seen no mention of Cavalry officers in anything that I've seen read or heard. Now, granted the Texas NG is primarily infantry and engineers, but still... What gives? How does one become a Platoon leader for the Air Cav? (Yes, I know these are questions for the recruiters, but I like to go with some clue as to the answers).
-Sik
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No idea on that, but might wanna look for an Armored Cavalry unit and ask them- they deal with both. Even if its out of state, couldn't hurt to ask them and get some info.
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Don't know what Intel compares to AF, but I keep hearing that they go out a lot; meaning they spend time outside of gate. If you like investigating aftermath of explosion or driving with army to get some intel...that might be interesting.
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skiboy PM JunkyII he is currenlty a Active Duty Infantrymen.
I have been doing tons of reaserch on jobs in the army myself. The too big ones i have been looking at are 19D Cavalry Scout and 11B Infantrymen. The big diffrences between the two are that as a 19D your primary mission is to go behind lines and collect intelligence on enemy activity and report back to base so the Infantrymen will go take them out.
I am most likely going to go Infantry since i am not into the whole recon part.
But here is the MOS (Military Occupational Specialty) videos if you would like to see, Just so you know, Youtube is your best friend for reaserch, i use it all teh time.
19D Cavalry Scout----> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Llt9_dxcg9Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Llt9_dxcg9Q)
11B Infantrymen---->http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58vQ7_4I2P4&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58vQ7_4I2P4&feature=related) this one is out dated.
Infantrymen have more opprotunities to go advanced schools like ranger and SF then the other MOS's in fact you must be a infantrymen to do SF.
Hey treize, I thought it was "there are two jobs in the army, Infantry and combat support"?? :)
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Go Armor or Calvary. Everything else is just combat support.
:noid
Pogs in my book only 2 mos in the army infantry and support
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oh also i saw an artical saying the Army is going to field the Future Force Warrior Program in 2010! check this out!
(http://www.defenselink.mil/dodcmsshare/newsstoryPhoto/2004-07/2004072705b.jpg)
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Sapper
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*pssst Infantry Sir. :aok
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*pssst Infantry Sir. :aok
We hooked us another one for the cause :rock :D :salute
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oh also i saw an artical saying the Army is going to field the Future Force Warrior Program in 2010! check this out!
(http://www.defenselink.mil/dodcmsshare/newsstoryPhoto/2004-07/2004072705b.jpg)
More crap that will break, weigh you down and rely on battery power. We got to mess with the early "Land Warrior" program stuff and the vote by us was thanks, but no thanks.
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More crap that will break, weigh you down and rely on battery power. We got to mess with the early "Land Warrior" program stuff and the vote by us was thanks, but no thanks.
Honestly your right, me personally I dont like the arm pads or as we call them wings, they hinder your ability to use your arms and what if i got to punch some haji in the mouth what am i gunna do then, Also the croin guard is , i just have to say wow this had to been made by a women because i dont think it fits :D
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Pogs in my book only 2 mos in the army infantry and support
Ill be sure to let all my 12B buddies know that JunkyII. Next time you find yourself up against an obsticle or minefield, you can clear it out under fire yourself. I have all the respect in the world for 11Bs. If you are gonna have to do the job of an 11B + some, might as well have fun and blow stuff up while doing it!!!
Combat Eng. (12B) all the way. Only diff. between 11B and 12B is the size of the group you operate with and the explosives you carry in addition to everything the 11B has.
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SikBoy,
I'm not sure from your post what advice it is that you are looking for.
I retired my Commission in the Army National Guard after 22 years of service in 2001, and transferred my Commission to the inactive Army Reserve.
At that time I held the rank of Major (O-4).
What many folks don't realize is that commissioned service in the Guard actually entails dual commissions...one from the Governor and the State you are serving, and another from the Army Reserve.
As always, commissioned service can be VERY political, with family and personal connections sometimes counting for more than skills and experience.
If you want to avoid the politics, I recommend obtaining a Warrant rather than a Commission.
Good Luck!
CptA
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Thanks CaptA,
I don't have a problem with Politics. Hey, maybe my Law Degree will come in handy lol. Really though, I play the game better than most, and though my cards aren't that great, I promise you I can bluff the table.
I don't know what advice I'm looking for, just General impressions and ideas I suppose. I really dig the thread so far, lots of good info here and I know we'll get some more before it's run its course. Then again, the Dr. will probably laugh his bellybutton off when they haul my 36 year old carcass into the office. It's funny though, I'm just about as excited about this as I was about going off to the Navy when I was 18.
-Sik
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Genesis of the Field Artillery
In the beginning, there was chaos, and the chaos was the infantry, the queen of battle. However, the queen was alone. And fear was with the infantry, so she cried out unto the Lord saying, "Lord save me for I am afraid!"
And the Lord heard her grunts and set some of the infantry on beasts of burden, and these he called the cavalry, and the cavalry became armor. And when the Lord saw what he had done, he laughed saying, "Well, you can't win them all!"
As time passed, the infantry and the armor again cried out unto the Lord saying, "Lord save us, for we are afraid." The Lord heard their cries and decided to end their weepings.
The Lord said unto them, "I shall send unto you a race of men noble in heart and spirit." And the Lord created the Field Artillery, and named them the King of Battle.
And the Lord said unto the infantry and armor, "When it is dark, the King shall light your way. And when you need smoke, there shall be smoke, and when you need it to rain down death and destruction upon the enemy, you shall have it."
And the Lord gave the King big guns and big bullets. And the infantry and armor were jealous, for they had not. And the Lord gave the artillery rockets and missiles and nukes. And when the infantry and armor saw this, they fell to their knees in awesome wonder, saying surely the Lord is on the side of the artillery, the King of Battle.
And the Lord said, "CHECK!"
And abideth infantry, armor and artillery, but the greatest of these is the artillery.
I Am the Field Artillery
by John J. McMahon and Patricia S. Hollis
I am the United States Field Artillery. I fly the skies with my light forces, sail the sea with my Marines and pound the ground with my heavy forces. I see with satellites, touch with my terrible thunder and taste the sweet glory of victory. I am everywhere-mobile, agile and lethal. I Deal in Steel.
I was born of necessity in 1775 when the British fired upon our militia at Lexington and Concord. My six-pounder cannons were captured field pieces, drawn by oxen from battlefield to battlefield. I crossed the Delaware River with Washington on Durham boats and wintered at Valley Forge. At the moment of victory at Yorktown, it was I who fired the decisive rounds. I am Firepower for Freedom.
I was called to defeat the British again in 1812. I fired for the charge at Chippewa, out-dueling the Royal Artillery and carrying the day. I was there at the Battle of New Orleans with my lethal lanyards pulling devastation down on our enemy. Then in 1846, I stood fast against the superior forces of Santa Anna. The Mexicans came close enough to smell the smoke of my cannons and feel the deadly sting of my "grape" as my Flying Artillery bombarded the battlefield. I Rule with Thundering Steel.
And then in 1861, with my muzzle-loaded guns and my observers positioned by my side, I saw us torn apart by the War Between the States. I was there on both sides with the Blue and the Gray. My fires decided victory at Malvern Hill, Antietam, Shiloh, Chancellorsville and Gettysburg. I am Mind-Numbing, Bone-Shattering Savagery.
I was part of the American Expeditionary Force that, under General Black Jack Pershing, helped defeat the Kaiser and the German Army in 1918. I had larger cannons, but my main arm was the French 75-mm gun drawn into battle position by horses. As World War II approached and the forces I fired for became more mobile, I moved by trucks and became armored Field Artillery. With my Priest 105-mm self-propelled howitzer and my observers forward with the tankers and infantrymen, I adjusted my ferocious fires for our forces. I massed fires by battery, battalion, Div Arty and even dealt my death by corps artillery. I am the Greatest Killer on the Battlefield.
I was there in the mountains of Korea and jungles of Vietnam. From Pusan and Inchon north to the Yalu, the pounding of my 155-mm towed guns helped bring about the Peace Accord at Panmunjom in 1953. In fire bases in Vietnam and with my airmobile firepower, it was I who brought howitzer hell to the enemy for our maneuver forces, using my multiple field pieces-105, 155, 175 and 203. I am Death on Call.
I was there for the Cold War as America stood her ground for international democracy. I gave her my Lance and then the mighty Pershing missile, which forced our opponents to the negotiating table. Though I never fired a missile in anger, my Pershing Peacemaker was strategic. I am Persuasive Power for Peace.
And I'll be there when you need me. I am ubiquitous on the battlefield. I can focus my firepower like a flashlight beam, raining death and destruction down upon our foe. My "rockets red glare" is now white-hot from six-packs of steel-rapid, far-reaching and awesome. The autonomous actions of my howitzers can shell out hell to bring our enemy to his knees. And when I'm done, he'll bow before me because -- I am and always will be The King of Battle.
Seriously though, if your looking to jon the Texas Army National Guard, look into the Artillery Units. I know there is at least 1 HQ'd in Dallas. Also ALL your training would be at Ft Sill Oklahoma, about 3.5 hours north of home so on the weekends it's not that far of a drive to come home and see the family. It's a combat arm and you get to blow up alot of stuff with some REALLY big guns.
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Go Warrent and go to flight school. You get treated like an officer but you get to fly. If your an Commissioned Army pilot, you will not get to fly much, only when your a platoon leader or company commander. Warrent in the Army is the only way to go.
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(Yes, even you Maverick! :) )
I'm switching teams. I grew up Navy, Served Navy, but now the Navy has failed me. They offer me nothing interesting to do as an Officer. So I'm aiming for a Commission in the Texas National Guard. The Navy will only let me come back as an Intel Officer or a JAG, and neither of those holds much interest for me (though admittedly, coming in as an 0-3 JAG would have its benefits, but I can't move the Family from Dallas right now so the point is moot).
I know this may sound odd to some, but I think I'll be happiest in the Infantry. So now I'm soliciting advice from anyone who's gone before me, whether you were infantry, Armor (looking at you Mav), Engineer, Aviation... anything. I've been around the Blue all my life, so I'm trying to figure out the Green.
-Sik
Heretic! Burn him at the stake!
"This ain't the Army,
you are sailor. Get off that grizzly army looking noodles
and stop smoking dope, you hear me."
(QMC Phillips Apocalypse Now) :D
In all seriousness though one of my Bro's who served with me in the Persian Puddle back in 88-90 at CJTME, took a commission in the GA NG. We keep in touch and he is CO of his battalion now and loves it.
However I'd disown my son if he went Green (he's now in the puddle now, 4th Generation USN) I'd rather have him join the Coast Guard or announce he was a flaming homosexual and was the Grand Marshal of the Gay Parade, before telling me he went Green.
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Also, what about just going to the Corps instead?
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Forget the rest, Join the best-Airborne, all the rest is just sideshow
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oh also i saw an artical saying the Army is going to field the Future Force Warrior Program in 2010! check this out!
(http://www.defenselink.mil/dodcmsshare/newsstoryPhoto/2004-07/2004072705b.jpg)
:rofl
Looks like a PowerRanger.
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Ill be sure to let all my 12B buddies know that JunkyII. Next time you find yourself up against an obsticle or minefield, you can clear it out under fire yourself. I have all the respect in the world for 11Bs. If you are gonna have to do the job of an 11B + some, might as well have fun and blow stuff up while doing it!!!
Combat Eng. (12B) all the way. Only diff. between 11B and 12B is the size of the group you operate with and the explosives you carry in addition to everything the 11B has.
Cats and Dogs my friend, 280 Pt is requirement for most infantry companies, plus certification on all weapons systems in the army(im good on the m4 , m9, m240, m249, m203, and soon to be shooting m14s) We also do alot of training for other jobs that other mos are suppose to cover, 12b included, i have been in korea almost 2 months and i am cert. to give a NBC class, CLS class, RTO class, combatives, and this week coming up we are doing claymores, now i know your a professional at bombs but Im just flat out Professional :salute
(not yet actually i need to get my Ranger tab first <S> Rangers)
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Forward Observer -13F ... or Infantry 11B..... :salute 12 series became 21 series...(army went stupid and changed MOS fields around)