Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: TheZohan on March 05, 2009, 07:37:59 AM
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really nice info on the P40 in the pacific campaign.. some nice schemes to maybe put into skins
http://books.google.com/books?id=Nc9M65d7qXQC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Osprey+Publishing&lr=
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The p40 in this game is very interesting. The 50 cals seem way more powerful than the 50cals I fly with p51's.
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The p40 in this game is very interesting. The 50 cals seem way more powerful than the 50cals I fly with p51's.
You know, I noticed this same thing... Not sure why that would be though.
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Just purchased the Osprey book for RAF and Commonwealth P-40 aces a few days ago. Am currently working on a skin used by the RCAF in the Aleutians and will probably turn to a RNZAF as soon as I finish my current project.
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i wish people would do alot more of the artwork and skins for theses planes. i know its time consuming but it would really make things alot nicer
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The p40 in this game is very interesting. The 50 cals seem way more powerful than the 50cals I fly with p51's.
Just the same in my opinion
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its probably the different flying style you use in the plane.
pony more of a BnZ snapshots
P40 more of a sustained tracking shots.
closure rates and convergence are allso issues
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i wish people would do alot more of the artwork and skins for theses planes. i know its time consuming but it would really make things alot nicer
Nothing stopping you from doing it.
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Nothing stopping you from doing it.
heck...if i could learn how using GIMP i would!
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heck...if i could learn how using GIMP i would!
I learned GIMP for the sole purpose of making skins.
Again, there isn't anything stopping anyone from doing it.
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i would but dont know how
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its probably the different flying style you use in the plane.
pony more of a BnZ snapshots
P40 more of a sustained tracking shots.
closure rates and convergence are allso issues
I would agree with you, except that the P40B only has two 50-cals, even when fired separately from the 30-cals, seem to kill faster than the four 50's on the P51B (even in a sustained fire situation, not BnZ). I know these guns are actually different 50-cals than the P51's, but I don't know what the difference actually is.
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I would agree with you, except that the P40B only has two 50-cals, even when fired separately from the 30-cals, seem to kill faster than the four 50's on the P51B (even in a sustained fire situation, not BnZ). I know these guns are actually different 50-cals than the P51's, but I don't know what the difference actually is.
1. center mounted guns. The .50s on the P-40B, no convergence to deal with. Easier(?) to hit your target.
2. slower plane(?) The P-40 being slower, to do everything, will give you more time on target when you finally get your gun solution.
#2 sounds kind of far fetched to me now that I've typed it, but who knows?
wrongway
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I dont know how much this matters, but the gun placement for the guns are closer to the fuselage on a P40E than the P51, F6f, F4U, etc.
Having the guns closer makes for a larger "sweet spot", simple mathematics can show that. How much more effective that makes the P40E's 6/.50 cal guns is dabateable.
Something I hear a lot is "I hit that guy hard and he didnt go down", but what happens is their convergence was set to 600+ and they only were able to land one set of guns on the target. Most guys forget how perfect or near perfect things have to be for all guns to hit in the same spot and deliver enough damage to rip off plane parts, especially the .30 and .50 cal MG's. This is especially true the further out the convergence is set. Granted, enough dmg can still be had but those who put their conv all the way out to 600+ are robbing themselves of accuracy and "dmg on target" fire up close (300>) were most of the kills shots are had.
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I dont know how much this matters, but the gun placement for the guns are closer to the fuselage on a P40E than the P51, F6f, F4U, etc.
Only by ~6" more on the P-51.
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um the only bad thing on p40 is no superchargers
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I would agree with you, except that the P40B only has two 50-cals, even when fired separately from the 30-cals, seem to kill faster than the four 50's on the P51B (even in a sustained fire situation, not BnZ). I know these guns are actually different 50-cals than the P51's, but I don't know what the difference actually is.
speed.
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um the only bad thing on p40 is no superchargers
AGH!!!!? All Allison and Rolls-Royce powered P-40s had superchargers.
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I know these guns are actually different 50-cals than the P51's, but I don't know what the difference actually is.
The Ma Deuce is the Ma Deuce. The a/c mounted weapon did differ from the ground weapon.
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The M2's on the P40B (JUST the B model) are synchronized, so they have a slower rate of fire. ALL other M2 .50 caliber machine guns mounted in aircraft are the same.
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http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/infantry/mg/M2.html
the A/C mounted had almost twice the rate of fire as the ground version
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http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/infantry/mg/M2.html
lol. M63 mount looks funny!
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http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/infantry/mg/M2.html
the A/C mounted had almost twice the rate of fire as the ground version
So how many ground versions of the MD were mounted in a/c?
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dont know it would be hard to really determine that wouldnt it?
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The M2's on the P40B (JUST the B model) are synchronized, so they have a slower rate of fire. ALL other M2 .50 caliber machine guns mounted in aircraft are the same.
The other 4 guns on the B-model are 30 cals.
speed.
Speed has nothing to do with it.
As said before, it's just got to be the fact that they are coming out of the cowl and do much more damage to a concentrated area rather than spreading out.
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The other 4 guns on the B-model are 30 cals.
I know that.
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The other 4 guns on the B-model are 30 cals.
Speed has nothing to do with it.
As said before, it's just got to be the fact that they are coming out of the cowl and do much more damage to a concentrated area rather than spreading out.
He meant the B as compared to the E.
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Angle of attack, figure (top view) /// \\\ Hitting a flat surface vs. ||
The more square the round is hitting the object the better, the difference between a deep penetrating .50 cal vs. a grazing or ricochet. Difference between hitting a man square in his jaw, vs. glancing off his jaw bone.
And if you think this untrue, please take up a p40B (or any cannon/mg nose mounted A/C) vs. any x4 .50 cal winged A/C, fire only the x2 guns on that a/c for few flights.
That is why i ditch the .50's on the p39Q, the guns poor angle of attack make them almost not worth having (in a game) where in reality anything that hits, is better than not.
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That is why i ditch the gondola .50's on the p39Q, the guns poor angle of attack make them almost not worth having (in a game) where in reality anything that hits, is better than not.
FIXED.
I was actually thinking of the .50s on the P-39 reading this thread. The ones in the nose.
:cool:
wrongway
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He meant the B as compared to the E.
What?
What I meant was, that other than the guns on the P40B, which are synchronized so that they can fire through the propeller, ALL other M2 .50 caliber machine guns on fighters in the game are exactly the same regardless of what aircraft they are mounted on.
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You know, I noticed this same thing... Not sure why that would be though.
There are so many things in this game that are fubard its incredible. But for some reason I think this was by design honestly.
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The more square the round is hitting the object the better, the difference between a deep penetrating .50 cal vs. a grazing or ricochet. Difference between hitting a man square in his jaw, vs. glancing off his jaw bone.
Keep in mind that the .30/.50 cal MG projectiles behave very different than the projectiles of the 20mm, 30mm, and 37mm HE and it has very little to do with the "sahpe" of the projectile. I understand the thoughts on the "shape" or "ricochet", but it doesnt apply here as much as one might think.