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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: Serenity on March 06, 2009, 03:43:44 PM
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Alright, I recently purchased 2, 1GB RAM sticks to add to the two 512MB RAM sticks I already had in the computer. While my computer reads them just fine according to the control panel, a game I have, Pacific Storm: Allies, reads only 2GB of RAM instead of 3. This doesn't make sense as there was never only 2GB of RAM in the system. Any ideas?
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Alright, I recently purchased 2, 1GB RAM sticks to add to the two 512MB RAM sticks I already had in the computer. While my computer reads them just fine according to the control panel, a game I have, Pacific Storm: Allies, reads only 2GB of RAM instead of 3. This doesn't make sense as there was never only 2GB of RAM in the system. Any ideas?
A 32-bit application on a 32-bit OS can use only 2Gb of ram at once unless it's specifically coded to use a larger memory.
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A 32-bit application on a 32-bit OS can use only 2Gb of ram at once unless it's specifically coded to use a larger memory.
Ah, thank you. So now I am wondering why this game is so SLLLOOOOOOWW on this computer if I have the max RAM and a good vid. card...
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Ah, thank you. So now I am wondering why this game is so SLLLOOOOOOWW on this computer if I have the max RAM and a good vid. card...
Try removing the two 512 chips. Also make sure the 1 Gb chips are in the bank closest to the CPU.
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mismatching ram can do funky stuff.
believe it or not you may actually have better overall system performance if you yank the 512 sticks and just go with just the 2gb sticks.. sounds odd but it can happen.
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mismatching ram can do funky stuff.
believe it or not you may actually have better overall system performance if you yank the 512 sticks and just go with just the 2gb sticks.. sounds odd but it can happen.
Honestly, when I get my first paycheck, I'm probably just going to replace the 512s with another 1GB
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A 32-bit application on a 32-bit OS can use only 2Gb of ram at once unless it's specifically coded to use a larger memory.
no a 32 bit OS can read 3.25 GB of memory
also 64 bit OS can read 16.8 terabytes of memory but its limited to the motherboard
also what is the specs of your motherboard? best place to start for memory configuration.
what are the densities of your ram chips? double sided?
you may only be able to put 2GBs on the board 4 x 512 meg
theres alot of factors.
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no a 32 bit OS can read 3.25 GB of memory
also 64 bit OS can read 16.8 terabytes of memory but its limited to the motherboard
also what is the specs of your motherboard? best place to start for memory configuration.
what are the densities of your ram chips? double sided?
you may only be able to put 2GBs on the board 4 x 512 meg
theres alot of factors.
Um... Motherboard is an AMD Athalon 4200 X2 I think? As for the RAM chips... single sided I believe.
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your cpu chip is a AMD 4200 x2 your motherboard is not ..
whats the brand and model of your motherboard. usually silkscreened on it ..
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no a 32 bit OS can read 3.25 GB of memory
No a 32-bit Windows OS is limited to 4Gb addressable memoryspace of which system peripherals such as videomemory take their own portion typically leaving 3-3,5Gb visible to the applications.
This however has nothing to do with the 2Gb limit _per application_.
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your cpu chip is a AMD 4200 x2 your motherboard is not ..
whats the brand and model of your motherboard. usually silkscreened on it ..
Hmm... I don't recall ever seeing anything silkscreened on anything when I have opened up the tower... Oh well, Ill take a look next time I'm near the computer.
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okay a 32 bit OS can see 4 GB of ram .. the OS is bios limited to only 3.25 though
the windows 32 bit kernel can only utilize 2 GB's at a time
doing a google on the subject i also found out that even with X64 OS you can limited to 3.25GB cause of the chipset
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the OS is bios limited to only 3.25 though
The BIOS has not one single thing to do with the RAM limitation of a 32 bit operating system. If it did you'd have to change your BIOS to upgrade to a 64 bit OS and you don't need to do that.
A 32 bit OS is limited to 4 Gb addressable memory. Video memory (although not nessesarily on a one to one ratio), USB ports and devices, the motherboard itself and other system devices eat into that. Two otherwise identical machines with different motherboards can show great discrepencies in visible memory.
Regardless of that mixing memory modules can cause issues which is why I recommended pulling the two 512 chips to see if it helped. Also, sometimes just utilizing all four memory slots will cause problems.
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umm i hate to differ .. you find 1 person with a computer running a windows 32 bit OS and says 4GB in there properties i will leave this game and never post again again .. EVER!!!
i bet you dont have the ball to make that same bet!
and i even bet skuzzy will back me up on that one!
but in reguards to his motherboard and memory .. if the slots only accept 512's then he will only see 1 GB with 2 - 1GBS .. why i told him to find the model of his motherboard and look at the manual to check .. some motherboard only see 4 x 512 maxing out at 2GB. expecally if hes running a 939 Motherboard.. i been doing this for 20 years i think i know what i am talking about
oh and baldeagl
hate to bust your bubble
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.aspx?catid=27&threadid=2142293
and a even better article
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1035670&highlight=%2F3gb
and one from asus
http://support.asus.com/faq/faq.aspx?SLanguage=en-us&model=P5P800
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umm i hate to differ .. you find 1 person with a computer running a windows 32 bit OS and says 4GB in there properties i will leave this game and never post again again .. EVER!!!
i bet you dont have the ball to make that same bet!
and i even bet skuzzy will back me up on that one!
A 32 Bit OS will never see the full 4 Gb of memory for the exact reasons I stated so you are correect; no 32 bit OS will "see" it all because it's already deducted video RAM, etc., etc., etc.
Trust me. I've done a lot of reasearch on this topic so I don't need to go look at your articles.
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A 32 Bit OS will never see the full 4 Gb of memory for the exact reasons I stated so you are correect; no 32 bit OS will "see" it all because it's already deducted video RAM, etc., etc., etc.
Trust me. I've done a lot of reasearch on this topic so I don't need to go look at your articles.
He isn't worth the time Bald. Just ignore his illiterate drivel.
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obviously if you read what i posted you would realize that your not completely right, and to stop and actually listen and learn you might be surprised. soon as serenity posts the model number for the board well have a fast ending to his problem.
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Zohan ask Chalenge how much ram he sees on a 32-bit OS with his dual 1Gb display cards..
It ain't 3,25 Gb just to give a hint.. :salute
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its gonna vary .. most systems i see with 4 GB's are on average 3.25, being a computer tech for almost 20 years.. i have seen alot.
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mismatching ram can do funky stuff.
believe it or not you may actually have better overall system performance if you yank the 512 sticks and just go with just the 2gb sticks.. sounds odd but it can happen.
if his motherboard will support it , which may be is problem to start with .. which is why i am thinking he only see's 2 GB's cause each bank only see's 512 megs
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Hmm... I don't recall ever seeing anything silkscreened on anything when I have opened up the tower... Oh well, Ill take a look next time I'm near the computer.
When you run dxdiag it should list motherboard and model under System Manufacturer and Model, at least mine does.
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if his motherboard will support it , which may be is problem to start with .. which is why i am thinking he only see's 2 GB's cause each bank only see's 512 megs
Zohan you may want to do some further research before you make any more fool of yourself.
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why dont you do it for me? if i am so wrong post your info
i posted mine info to back up what i was saying
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why dont you do it for me? if i am so wrong post your info
i posted mine info to back up what i was saying
You are wrong, you are trying to put 3.25GB in a 2GB system.
Now, move along.
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well DUH!! i never stated that his system could handle 4GB to start with and i am just waiting verification once he comes back with a model number to look up his memory specs for his motherboard to confirm it.
and i been stating that his system is probably limited to 2GB (4x512) based on the fact thats what his system is seeing with 2 x 1 gb and 2 X 512 megs. again thats a hip shot guess but based on experience would be my first guess.
my 32-bit was in reference to mrripley's post about 32-bit OSes
A 32-bit application on a 32-bit OS can use only 2Gb of ram at once unless it's specifically coded to use a larger memory.
which was irrelavent due to the fact he only has 2GB in the system anyways
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hate to bust your bubble
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1035670&highlight=%2F3gb
In the 32-bit versions of Windows I enumerated above, processes are given a default memory limit of at least two gigabytes. This limit means has the logical addresses that any process touches varying between 0x00000000 and 0x7FFFFFFF. These numbers are interesting because they're the full range of non-negative integers that can fit in 32 bits. Considered as a signed integer, the quantity 0x80000000 is -2147483648,
and the quantity 0xFFFFFFFF is considered -1.
I think you just burst your own bubble. Sorry I don't mean to be rude (my real name is Simon btw..) :)
And those were not articles they were UBB posts made by users whose credibility cannot be verified. Source criticism please!
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oh geesh is that has got to be the lamest excuse i have heard.
but either way has no baring on serenty's memory issue at hand
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oh geesh is that has got to be the lamest excuse i have heard.
but either way has no baring on serenty's memory issue at hand
If you would have read and understood what you posted yourself you'd figure out my answer was explained there all the time.
And you still don't seem to understand that this _is_ the issue at hand.
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you posted about 32 bit OS having a 2GB limit for usage per application without using the /3GB switch in boot.ini
thats all fine and dandle if he was using 4GB in his system to start with
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you posted about 32 bit OS having a 2GB limit for usage per application without using the /3GB switch in boot.ini
thats all fine and dandle if he was using 4GB in his system to start with
No it's the reason why he sees 2Gb in the application instead of all his available ram.
Same exact thing happens with AH2. I for one example have two different computers with AH2 installed.
The other one is XP32 with 4Gb worth of ram sticks in it. The second is Win7 x64 with 8Gb worth of ram sticks in it.
First one reports 2048Mb of system ram (32-bit) even though the machine has 3,5Gb free. The second one repots 4096Mb of system ram available even though the machine has 7,5Gb free. Why? Because on a 32-bit subsystem a 32-bit app is limited to that 2048Mb and on 64-bit subsystem the app can utilize all the addressable 4096Mb.
Clear enough for you?
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reread .. so the computer sees all 3 GB of ram in the properties? and because of the 2 GB limitation his game only see's 2 of the 3 GIG installed. after rereading i saw what you i missed. and if his computer itself see's all three 3GB and the game only seeing 2GB then there isnt a problem..
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When you run dxdiag it should list motherboard and model under System Manufacturer and Model, at least mine does.
Any idea what part of the dxdiag? Mine comes out about 6 pages long, lol.
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Any idea what part of the dxdiag? Mine comes out about 6 pages long, lol.
Mine is on the front startup page, the one that comes up when you open the program. I guess under the 'Sysytem' tab. I added the 'at least mine does' part because this rig was made by DrJohn of KickAssGear and not a builder like Dell or Micron. If a large builder made yours it just might have their name and such.
(http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d64/fuzeman/DxDiagpic.jpg)
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HP-Pavilion
RK573AA-ABA a1710n
and it reads 3070 MB RAM
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then your fine.. theres a 2GB on each application
* Four 240-pin DDR2 DIMM sockets
* Supports PC 4200 (533 MHz) and PC2 5300 (667 MHz) DDR2 DIMMs
* non-ECC memory only, unbuffered
* Maximum HP/Compaq approved memory is 4 GB*