Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Tac on January 04, 2001, 07:41:00 AM
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HTC:
Many people here are clamoring for more AC's to be added to the game, however im curious to know if:
Is it easier/shorter time-wise to model a new AC or to add a VARIANT of existing AC's?
If the variant making is shorter/easier (which my deranged logic says it is) would you folks consider adding a lot more variants of the current planeset before adding new AC's?
JU-88 torpedo & cannon fighter variants,
P-38J or F (a P38M would be cool too.. its basically a slightly heavier P-38L with BLACK camo.. wicked cool!)
P-51B
Earlier/older version of the Zeke
B-17F
F4U-4 (perked? heehe Ill get flames for this one)
Earlier/older Lancasters
and possibly adding some new weapons to the current ACM arsenal like NAPALM bombs and Torpedos for other aircraft (aka, Ju-88) and new weapon loadouts (some luftwaffle boys were asking for something like that a while ago I think) and drop tanks for the AC's that had them in ww2 but dont have it in AH.
IMHO, if these changes are easier, they would enchance the game a lot more than one or 2 new AC's. After all, we still burning with the F6F+PTBoat+TBM+Carrier fever... I'd prefer to see more options for the current AC than to see more AC's in the next patch/version/whenever you planned to add the new planes.
Anyone feel like this?
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How about giving the LW a real JABO, like the F or G8? That'd be great.
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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
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TAC, 1.06 is all about more planes.
I'm just dying to know which ones! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
-Westy
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Uhmm, a G in that case, the F8 was just an A8 with a little more armor and less armement. same loadout.
There was one G model wich could take somehting like 3.900 pounds :-)
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Rasmus "Wilbus" Mattsson
III/JG5 "EisMeer"
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Uhmm, a G in that case, the F8 was just an A8 with a little more armor and less armement. same loadout.
Wrong. A-8 did not have ETC 50 racks below wings, only ETC 501 rack on belly.
There was one G model wich could take somehting like 3.900 pounds :-)
2 X 250 kg SC 250 + 1 X 500 kg SC 500 = 100 kg = about 2000 lbs.
Cant remember if G-3 was able to carry 1 X 1800 kg SC 1800, maybe 1000 kg SC 1000.
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jochen Gefectsverband Kuhlmey I/SG 5
Sieg oder bolsevismus!
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Oops, almost sidetracked the thread!
Fw 190F-8 would be nice, only new skin, wing hardpoints and loadout options. It would be hugely more useful plane for jabo work than current A's.
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jochen Gefectsverband Kuhlmey I/SG 5
Sieg oder bolsevismus!
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me410 is what we need (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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Animal, HTC would have to spend an entire version just to add the Me-410 and most of the options. Here's the armament list for the Me-410 as I know it:
Standard armament:
2x MG-151/20 cannons with 350 rounds each
2x MG-17 guns with 1,000 rounds each
2x MG-131 guns with 500 rounds each, mounted in barbettes; one on either side of the aft fuselage.
Me-410 Rustsatz kits: added in addition of standard armament except where noted.
B6-R2: 2, Mk 108 30mm cannons in the bomb bay. Aircraft fitted with Zaunkonig radar in the nose. All normal nose armament deleted.
R2: 2, 30mm Mk. 108 cannons in the bomb bay in addition to normal armament.
R3: 2, 30mm Mk. 103 cannons in the bomb bay in addition to normal armament.
R4: 2, 20mm M.G. 151/20 20mm cannons in the bomb bay, 2 M.G. 151/20 20mm cannons in a pod on the belly behind the bomb bay in addition to normal armament.
U2-R5: 4, M.G. 151/20 20mm cannons in the bomb bay, 2 M.G. 17 7.92mm machine guns in the nose in addition to normal armament
R6: 2, M.G. 151/20 20mm cannons in the bomb bay in addition to normal armament.
B2-U4: 1, Bk 5 50mm cannon in the bomb bay. M.G. 17 machine guns deleted. Occasionally a Bk 3.7 37mm cannon replaced the Bk 5.
R7: All nose armament deleted in favor of reconnaissance cameras.
B-5: Tail guns replaced by a 187 gal. fuel tank. Additional fuel tank mounted in bomb bay. All ordinance carried externally.
Single 1,000kg SB 1000/410 bomb.
Single LT 5b torpedo [1,984 lbs].
Single LT 5i torpedo [1,675 lbs].
2x BT 200 or BT 400 torpedoes.
Single SC 1800 bomb.
Single 780kg SB 800 RS Kurt bomb.
B-1: M.G. 17 machine guns replaced with M.G. 131 guns
B1-U2: M.G. 17 machine guns replaced by M.G. 131 guns. 2, M.G. 151/20 20mm cannons installed in the bomb bay.
B-2/U-2: M.G. 17 machine guns removed. WB containers installed in the bomb bay. Options included:
2x 30mm Mk 108 cannons
2x 30mm Mk 103 cannons
4x 20mm M.G. 151/20 cannons
External ordinance:
2x 300 liter drop tanks
4x WGr. 21 rockets
6x 40mm 39M rockets
2x 250 or 500kg bombs
Typical bomb loads [internal]:
8x 50kg
2x 250kg
2x 500kg
Most of the M.G. 151/20 gun options had 250 rounds per gun. One had 350 rounds per gun, but I can't remember which. Note the R3 option: 2, 30mm Mk 103 cannons...
There is a famous picture of a revolving rocket launcher in the nose of a Me-410. That was a test aircraft. That load-out option was never mass produced due to extensive airframe damage suffered while test firing. All further tests were abandoned.
The ultimate in load-out options.
Most of the bombs and rockets used in the Luftwaffe are listed with specs here:
http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/bombs.html (http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/bombs.html)
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Flakbait
Delta 6's Flight School (http://www.worldaccessnet.com/~delta6)
"For yay did the sky darken, and split open and spew forth fire, and
through the smoke rode the Four Wurgers of the Apocalypse.
And on their canopies was tattooed the number of the Beast, and the
number was 190." Jedi, Verse Five, Capter Two, The Book of Dweeb
(http://www.worldaccessnet.com/~delta6/htbin/custom1.jpg)
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Some early/mid war varients would be nice to have-but IMO we need some new models for scenario use.
I would like to see more U.S. & Japanese land/carrier based aircraft for PAC events in the SEA.
When the new editor arrives it will be very easy to build historical PAC terrains since they are mostly water. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Val
Kate
A6M3
KI-43
Ki-61
Ki-84
Betty
F4F
FM-2
P-38J
SBD Dauntless
B-25H
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*swings his SHVAK cannon around the room*
AAUGH you hijackers! Dont turn this into "what plane I want to see next version" thread! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Hitech, Pyro... care to comment? *swings a bottle of fine scotch as lure*
*grin*
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"Despite its later designation, the Fw 190G preceded the Fw 190F, and was in essence the production version of the Fw 190A-4/U8 and Fw 190A-5/U3. The extra range required in this model was provided in part by the sacrifice of the two fuselage mounted machine guns to leave the two 20mm MG 151/20 cannon in the wing roots as the only fixed armament, and in part by the provision of attachments for two 79.25 US gal (300 liter) drop tanks under the wings."
Essentially, the G-8 was intended to be a long-range fighter-bomber or jabo, they were usually equipped with 2 wing mounted 300 liter drop tanks when on missions. Production of the G series stopped in the Spring of 1944 essentially because the LW ceased it's long range missions in the Spring. It now favored the F series for attack missions, since a long-range fighter bomber was not needed.
The F-8 would be a much better choice than the G-8, a) later R(Ruestaze) and U (umrust-baustaze; field and factory conversion sets, respectivly) designations of the F-8 allowed it to carry the same load as the G-8, also panzerblitz1&2 and R4M rocketsb) We have the chance of getting the Galland-haube canopy. d)It's faster.
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Nath_____
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
(http://www.angelfire.com/nt/regoch/sig.gif)
"It felt as if an angel was pushing..."
-Reponse of Gen. Adolf Galland after flying the fourth prototype Me 262 in May 1943.
[This message has been edited by Nath-BDP (edited 01-04-2001).]
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It would be nice to have the Fw-190F-8 with the Galland hood though. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
I too can't wait to see what planes they add next. I'm really looking forward to more multi-engine aircraft being thrown into the mix as well.
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Sundog
VMF-111 Devildogs
'Criticism is always easier then craftmanship.'
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I really think that we need the Devastator for CV scenarios.
The competitive CV battles (and there were only FOUR of those...Coral Sea, Midway, and then two near Guadalacanal..the war in the Pacific was NOT a war of CVs battling each other) all were early in the war, and were before the fleet could totally get rid of their Devastators.
Back in WB, I remember the US used to ALWAYS win the CV battles. The Wildcats, surprisingly, almost always beat the Zeros, the Dauntlesses could carry 1000 lbers and the Vals couldn't, and the US had Avengers which are infinately more capable and survivable than Devastors.
Without the US having Devastators the CV battle scenario that we will inevitably have will never be balanced.
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Forget the devastator... in any scenario as in RL it will be devastated... barely able to maintain 200mph (cruising speed 128mph).. scenarios or not a waste of time...
Of course the B5N2 (Kate) could carry a 1,700 lb bomb or a torp... Dunno if they ever carried bombs like that after pearl though...
AKskurj
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Originally posted by SKurj:
Forget the devastator... in any scenario as in RL it will be devastated... barely able to maintain 200mph (cruising speed 128mph).. scenarios or not a waste of time...
Of course the B5N2 (Kate) could carry a 1,700 lb bomb or a torp... Dunno if they ever carried bombs like that after pearl though...
AKskurj
Meanwhile the SB2C would rule to bomber bracket with it's twin Hispanos. <g,d,r>
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I asked HTC about a P51-B/C (Mustang III) and he said that it will be eventually added along with other plane variants. He gave no time frame on when.
Got a better idea of that timeframe yet HTC?
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S! all
I think the early periods of the war would be much more interesting.
Lets see all or some of the following:
Hurricane I, IIC
Spitfire I, IIA
109B E3, E4
110C
P-40C
P-39D
Finnish Brewster Buffalo model
I-16 Ishak (Little Donkey)
I-153
Cr32
Cr42
MC200
Gloster Gladiator
Wildcat
A6M2
Ki-43 Hayabusa
Dewotnine 520
Curtis Hawk
MS406
some kind of Polish era Pzl
Take your pick of 5 or 6 of these, and then you could do either the Spanish Civil War, Finnish Winter War, or the Polish Campaign, or France '40, or BOB, or early Malta, Early Desert or the early Pacific.
Biplanes are great fun to fly, as I bet would be the "little donkey".
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OOOOOPS, sorry, did some more research about the F8 and it can take alot more things then I thought. Sorry.
The 190G1 could carry 1x1.800 KG bomb, 3.968lbs that is.
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Rasmus "Wilbus" Mattsson
III/JG5 "EisMeer"
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Originally posted by Torgo:
I really think that we need the Devastator for CV scenarios.
The competitive CV battles (and there were only FOUR of those...Coral Sea, Midway, and then two near Guadalacanal..the war in the Pacific was NOT a war of CVs battling each other) all were early in the war, and were before the fleet could totally get rid of their Devastators.
Back in WB, I remember the US used to ALWAYS win the CV battles. The Wildcats, surprisingly, almost always beat the Zeros, the Dauntlesses could carry 1000 lbers and the Vals couldn't, and the US had Avengers which are infinately more capable and survivable than Devastors.
Without the US having Devastators the CV battle scenario that we will inevitably have will never be balanced.
Just realized the Devastator only carried a 1/2 ton torp too. This same torp was very lucky to detonate if you managed to hit anything...
AKskurj
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Variants are typically easier to do. We'll be doing a lot of new variants for the next version and at least one completely new type.
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Doug "Pyro" Balmos
HiTech Creations
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*joygasm*
Thanks!
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Well I'm not going to be left off the wish list. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Here it is in my own very special order of importance: (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
He 219A-7/R6, big twin engine fast night fighter/bomber killer. 435 mph, 4 foward fireing (ff) 30mm, 2 ff 20mm, and two upward firing 30mm in rear cockpit. I think it could double very well as a ground attack aircraft. Fly under the Lancaster. Hmmm (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
He 177A-5/R2 Greif for a German heavy bomber.
P-47M
P-51H
B-25G w/75mm cannon (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Ki-84
Bf110C-4
Fw 190D9
Ju 87D-7
He 111
A-26B-1
Mosquito FB.Mk XVIII w/57mm nose gun
P-39N
MiG-3
B-24J
B-29A I hear will be perked
Pe-2
He-129 w/75mm
Me-410
Il-2
Blohm und Voss Bv 222 Wiking
PBY-5A
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S!
If HTC is going to mostly do variants, then I would suggest the following:
Tempest V (relatively close visual model of Typhoon)
Spitfire I, IIA, IXLF
109E-3, E-4, T
FW190A3, FW190F
JU-88C Nightfighter model
P-51B, P-51H
P-47C, P-47D-23 (both Razorback) P-47M
P-38F, P38J
B-17F (Minus Chin turret)
Yak-9, (Most common Yak-9) Yak-3
La-7
For new aircraft, if they are making only a few, then they should add some Japanese army aircraft, as well as a Japanese Navy Dive Bomber or Torpedo plane. A Mosquito MKVI would also be a good addition to game play as it would give the bomber pilots the ability to come in at high speed and evade any CAP at lower altitude. The Germans need a new Fighter too. 190D, and it should not be perked.
Ki-84, or Ki-43
Jill
190D
Mosquito MkVI
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Yeah we really need 5 or 6 more US aircraft.
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What Raubvogel said, ya thats it shure more US planes.
Brady
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[This message has been edited by brady (edited 01-06-2001).]
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Originally posted by Pyro:
Variants are typically easier to do. We'll be doing a lot of new variants for the next version and at least one completely new type.
<FALLS OUTTA CHAIR, DROOLING>
(maybe some 190 version between 'em?) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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BTW, personal list, 3 non-perk (2 late and q 1 early war), 1 perk for each nation:
UK (nonperk)
Spitfire Mk. XVI
Mosquito FB. VI
Hurricane Mk.I
Perk:
Tempest V.
US: (nonperk)
P-51B
A-26
P-39Q
Perk:
P-47M
Italy: (nonperk)
SM-79
R-2005
MC-200
Perk:
none (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
Japan:
Ki-61
J2M2
G4M
perk:
N1K2 (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Seriously: Ki-100
USSR:
Tu2
Il2
MiG3
Perk:
La-7
GERMANY (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Me410-------->PLEASEEEE!!!
Fw190F8
Fw190D9 (hehe)
Me109E-4
Perk:
Me262
(I know I gave 3 late war...but WTF (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif))
France:
D-520
MS-406
Perk:
none (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 01-06-2001).]
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RAM, even you must agree that if they're gonna do a Hurricane, make a MkIID as well (The one with 2x40mm)
Don't worry, only 27(?) rpg so no spray 'n praying (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Originally posted by -duma-:
RAM, even you must agree that if they're gonna do a Hurricane, make a MkIID as well (The one with 2x40mm)
Duma I put it as an "early war" UK plane, just as I put a Me109E-3, or a MC-200.
The Hurri-IIC?...I wont like to have to face a HO from such a plane (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif). But I really think that a Hurricane I would be better, at least for be used on special events (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
I said I'd put one early war plane for each nation, and I thought that the Hurricane I would be the best choice (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
[This message has been edited by RAM (edited 01-06-2001).]
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Lol... itd be interesting if HTC adds the French P-38. It had no counter-rotating engines. What say you citabria, you'd take it for a spin (literally)? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Since everyone is making out there Christmas lists late this year for Santa Pyro....
I won't ask for everthing, just a handful that I think we need first.
Non-perk
Me410
Mosquito
Fw190D9
IL-2
Stuka (including the 40mm AT gunpods)
Ki-84
Sherman tank
M-7 Priest (with the navy's coordinate targeting icon)
Perks
Yak-3 with the VK107 engine
P-51H
Corsair F4U-4C
Me262
Me163 Komet
Ta152
Destroyer Escort (spawned like a PT boat, and no AI gunners, all guns available for player use)
I think the P-51H, Corsair-4, the Yak-3, and the Ta152 would be the easiest to do, since they arlready have cockpit art done.
The M7 Priest would be a nice addition.
Hans.
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Hehe RAM, fair enough. The IIC was the one with 4x20mm, the IID was the anti-tank model (2x40mm).
I think the Hurricane MkIV would be a useful all-purpose aircraft (Dedicated ground attack plane with universal wing, could carry 12x.303, or 4x20mm, or 2x40mm also [A Tempest V was once fitted with 2x40mm IIRC!) Don't have much info on this one though.
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190 cockpit art is crap, it needs to be redone when they add the D-9 or Ta 152.
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Originally posted by Nath-BDP:
190 cockpit art is crap, it needs to be redone when they add the D-9 or Ta 152.
Along with most of the earlier planes too.
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Cocpit arts are fine! I usually look out of the cocpit and sometimes the dials but very rarely ony the cocpit art...
I do hope that full potential of existing models are used. For example:
With new nose, vertical tail and engine nacelles:
- Ju 88C-6 - Heavy day fighter ie. zerstörer
- Ju 88G-1 - Nightfighter. 357 mph + 4 x MG 151/20!
(Ju 188 would be ultimate but with bit more work...)
Only new paintjob and removed outer MG 151's:
- Fw 190F-8 - THE late war Jabo of Lufwaffe.
New paint and nose job plus bit longer rear:
- Fw 190D-9 - Practically last of the line of Fw fighters.
- P-51 Mk I - Mid war RAF Mudstain.
- Spit Mk V LF Clipped wing - Wicked low altitude dogfighter, used even in 1945!
Anyway, I'm very happy whatever HTC gives us, Lufwaffe plane would of course be real treat for me!
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jochen Gefectsverband Kuhlmey I/SG 5
Sieg oder bolsevismus!
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Me-410 would be nice (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Welp, Me 410 would be fun too! Speed in 400 mph range (385 - 410 from different sources) so it could escape from enemy fighters if detected in time, huge firepower 2 X (up to 6 X all internal!!!) 20 mm MG 151, 2 X 13 mm MG 131 forward and 2 X 13 mm MG 131 rear and bombload of 2 X 250 kg or 1 X 500 kg or 1 X 1000 kg... Very good allaround visibility too! Bk 5 50 mm automatic cannon could drop heavy bombers like flies...
Since AH is mid/late war oriented right now Me 410 should be the first zerstörer. I think Pyro or HiTech liked me 410 too so lets keep hoping (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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jochen Gefectsverband Kuhlmey I/SG 5
Sieg oder bolsevismus!