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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: balance1 on March 10, 2009, 10:11:52 PM
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I am looking for some relatively solid investment ideas for a senior project, where whomever raises the most money in a 10 week period gets the highest grade. I would, obviously, like to attain aforementioned highest grade, so I'm hoping for some knowledgeable people to bestow some knowledge unto me. I have 5K to invest and they can be in any stocks, Dow Jones, Nasdaq, S&P 500, NYSE, etc etc. The only real limitation is no CD's or savings accounts.
Thank you in advance,
~Balance1
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The Korean market looks good short term. :aok
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Hong Kong real estate
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smuggle 5k worth of narcotic or weapons, you'll make more.
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I was thinking that since the housing industry usually leads the markets in comming out of recession.
Stocks in Building products and the materials used to make them would be a pretty sound investment right now if your planning on staying in for a few years.
some of the prices for things like Copper for example right now are really low.
I've been trying to figure out a way to come up with some extra cash to do just that.
(http://www.kitconet.com/charts/metals/base/spot-copper-5y-Large.gif)
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Just keep it in cash and it will probably do better than your classmates trying to figure out the market right now.
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Pick a stock that still has some value, sell short and wait for a big market sell off day. (in effect your betting stock price will drop) If you can time it so that you do it right before the monthly unemployment results come in, probably see a couple of days of big selloffs, leaving you sitting pretty.
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Just keep it in cash and it will probably do better than your classmates trying to figure out the market right now.
If your in it for the day to day, or month to month. I would agree
But if you want to get in for the long haul. Now seems to be the best time to get in.
As Warren Buffet puts it.
"Be greedy during times of panic. And panic when everyone is greedy". Or something to that effect.
He seems to have been right more times then not
Housing is at near record lows now. The housing market WILL pick up again. And based on the way the media has been touting that fact.
I have a feeling its going to be sooner rather then later, and The Messiah is putting forth tax breaks for making homes more energy efficient.
I think stocks that are construction material related and energy efficient related ,windows, insulation, appliances. are going to be a pretty sound investment right now looking forward.
I think at this point any losses you get hit with by farther drops. Are going be more then well offset by the gains you make down the road.
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WEN, THI, or BKC
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I am looking for some relatively solid investment ideas for a senior project, where whomever raises the most money in a 10 week period gets the highest grade. I would, obviously, like to attain aforementioned highest grade, so I'm hoping for some knowledgeable people to bestow some knowledge unto me. I have 5K to invest and they can be in any stocks, Dow Jones, Nasdaq, S&P 500, NYSE, etc etc. The only real limitation is no CD's or savings accounts.
Thank you in advance,
~Balance1
Assuming dividends wont come into play for your project, my recommendation is:
Bank of America (BAC): Buy any time its below $3.75. Sell any time its above $4.50.
Wells Fargo (WFC): Buy any time its below $10.00. Sell any time its above $11.50.
Citigroup (C): Buy any time its below $1.05. Sell any time its above $1.35.
Fifth Third Bancorp (FITB): Buy any time its below $1.10. Sell any time its above $1.30.
Youll have to pay attention. The recommendation is assuming fluctuations allowing for multiple trades in a week's time. The above isnt something you would want to sit on for 10 weeks if maximum return is what youre after.
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Copper will jump if the china market opens up again, housing construction is a big indicator-but China is the largest buyer of scrap copper and as of this moment-they ain't buying. most smelters are looking for the end of the year to start producing again, but right now, the market is stuffed.
Buffet is still buying railroads, and the skinny is that he is buying pharmaceuticals. But last i heard, that monkey on wall street picked more winners than the average market gains, so i would try to interview him.
:)
NwBie
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Assuming dividends wont come into play for your project, my recommendation is:
Bank of America (BAC): Buy any time its below $3.75. Sell any time its above $4.50.
Wells Fargo (WFC): Buy any time its below $10.00. Sell any time its above $11.50.
Citigroup (C): Buy any time its below $1.05. Sell any time its above $1.35.
Fifth Third Bancorp (FITB): Buy any time its below $1.10. Sell any time its above $1.30.
Youll have to pay attention. The recommendation is assuming fluctuations allowing for multiple trades in a week's time. The above isnt something you would want to sit on for 10 weeks if maximum return is what youre after.
Thank you all for your help, and sadukar, dividends do infact come into play, its overall profit over a 10 week span. whoever gains the most (or loses the least) money gets the highest grade. I am in a 4 man group and we have 5,000 each to invest. any further help is very much so appreciated.
Thank you all for the help,
~Balance1
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I'd say diversify in the beginning and take your bigger risks towards the end :). Growth stocks only if you're trying to come up with a profit in that short of a time span. When I did this we were able to trade our own money at any time and the kid who won in my class really followed Saur's idea by knowing short term what high's to sell at and what low's to buy at. In investing terms it's such a short period of time. And as most said there's a fair amount of luck involved.
-Zap
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Look at RIG (Transocean). Heavily oversold and the PE is outrageous. Great profit.
I'd see where it goes in the next week or week and a half, if it holds firm where it's at then it's a HUGE buy. If not then I would cautiously buy.
This is a 'summer' stock. When gas prices go over $4 again, which they will before august..possibly higher, that stock with crest $100 imo.
What someone else recommended about just keeping it in cash is probably not the wisest to do but pretty close. Possibly a simple bank CD will do you better.
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Copper will jump if the china market opens up again, housing construction is a big indicator-but China is the largest buyer of scrap copper and as of this moment-they ain't buying. most smelters are looking for the end of the year to start producing again, but right now, the market is stuffed.
Buffet is still buying railroads, and the skinny is that he is buying pharmaceuticals. But last i heard, that monkey on wall street picked more winners than the average market gains, so i would try to interview him.
:)
NwBie
I was using copper as an example of things that go into housing construction.
Owens Corning (insulation) is also way down as another example
http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=OC#chart5:symbol=oc;range=2y;indicator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=on;source=undefined
Still. if your in it for long term. That is not looking to buy and sell on a daily basis.
Copper is way down from its traditional highs
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...dividends do infact come into play, its overall profit over a 10 week span... I am in a 4 man group and we have 5,000 each to invest...
That being the case, and if you dont want to keep tabs on your portfolio, hourly, try this...
First Potomac Realty Trust (FPO). HQ is right down the street from where I work. I know the founder and the company well.
Currently trading at $7.51/share. Wait a couple days and I would expect it to be between $6.50/$7.00 a share. Dividend is $1.36. Yield is 19.40%. P/E is 8.21.
The 52 week high for this company was $19.05. Its 52 week low was $5.45.
Like every other finance/real estate stock, it took a big hit over the past 6 months.
However, the decrease in value has no basis in reality. Q4 profits quadrupled and the 2009 forecast is equally charming. If you sat on this, exclusively, for 10 weeks, I bet you could make a handy profit waiting for the dividend and then selling.
At the end of the 10 weeks, although thats pretty far out, I'd ballpark it between $10-11/share.
If, collectively, you have $20,000 in funny money, and assuming you buy it at $6.50, say, next week, heres how it would pan out:
Cost of Acquisition: 3,076 shares @ $6.50/share = $19,994.00
Quarterly Dividend: $0.34/share x 3,076 shares = $1,045.84
Revenue from Sale: 3,076 shares @ $10.00/share = $30,760.00
Total Cost of Acquisition = $19,994.00
Total Proceeds from Sale = $31,805.84
Short Term Gain = $11,811.84.
Return on Investment = 59.07%
Not bad for 10 weeks. For whats its worth, I've got real money with them. Bought in when it hit $6.90 and I have every intention of doing pretty much what I described above.
EDIT: Either way, the old adage applies. When everyone else is buying, panic. When everyone else is in a panic, buy. Stick to concrete rules. Dont try and ride out rallies in the hopes of squeezing out a few more dollars. If you set a limit to sell at $10, sell at $10. Dont watch it go to $10.50 and wait for $11.00 to come around. There are hundreds of thousands of people doing the same exact thing you are and, in the space of about 3 minutes, your attempt to maximize return can turn into a loss if you get greedy and miss the profit taking window.
Good luck.
Disclaimer: No professional affiliation, not a professional investor, this is not financial advice, etc, etc.
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look carefully at what Dred said,also Canadian banks and fertilizer companies.
Potash corp had tremendous gains last year!
Oh ya check out Cramer he's always tossing out bones for this sort of project!