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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: simshell on March 11, 2009, 12:43:29 AM
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you make some costly mistakes in SA
and you find yourself flying into 6 enemy contacts a few high and a few co alt and a few below
a couple of the contacts are flying faster planes and a few are flying slower but more agile planes
I just wanted to hear what everyone else does in situations like this, where you are ganged and escape does not seem likely
when it happens to me, I know am going to die but I want to make it as hard as possible, so I dive to the deck and turn it into a dirty knife fight on the deck.
it happen to me a few nights ago, I was flying a FM2 and found myself facing 6 cons and I chose to dive to the deck and try for overshoots, augers, I find it thrilling to see how well I can do in these situations
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I try to level out for speed first. Then go into a slow climb, like a roc 1 or something, and get equal to or above the highest con and start working them down if I can. The main thing for me is to keep fast and try to get above them so I can fight one at a time.
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Merge, dodge 6 Ho's, reverse, kill 'em all.
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Costly mistakes in SA? What have you been drinking? :D
Dont dive for the deck so you have available some potential E. Dont fixate on the one you are shooting. Kill the most dangerous one first which means you have to watch the cons and figure out which one is doing the best job and kill him first. Once you decide to make a move dont second guess but carry out your plan (but observe the rule about fixating). Constantly assess the cons for changes in their behavior. Fly to your strengths and their weaknesses.
I am frequently surprised when engaged one on one even how many people get scared by the simplest moves like rolling scissors. Its unfamiliar to a lot of people and they get lost in it quickly. Experience is life.
EDIT: Be aware that if a turning con suddenly isnt turning its a setup.
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Merge, dodge 6 Ho's, reverse, kill 'em all.
:lol
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Yup, just gotta face shoot them :O
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http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,215578.0.html
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Merge, dodge 6 Ho's, reverse, kill 'em all.
pretty much...but you missed dodging the 6 Ho's on the second merge also....then killing them all! :aok
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Are all cons in icon range?
If so it may be too late to climb to the highest con. Please clarify.
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Its the best way to fly. Constant combat. You know you are committed so you fly the best you can, make a few auger, take a few pot shots here and there, whittle them down. Its tough to come out alive in this situation, but you can usually take alot with ya. Depends alot on the quality of the opposition.
The first few seconds of this setup can really help you out. Its that moment of over confidence and indecision on their part, not wanting to steal a kill from a buddy, and dumping their advantages in e and position that can cost them a couple guys quick.
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This is at least 6-1 odds here :D
http://files.filefront.com/p40b+vs+the+hordeahf/;13439577;/fileinfo.html (http://files.filefront.com/p40b+vs+the+hordeahf/;13439577;/fileinfo.html)
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Kill the one you can kill the fastest and easiest first. Lower the odds, the quicker you can do this the better.
That includes HO, and any other dirty trick you can think of. Accept that even in 3 vs 1 your probably going to go down in flames. But you'll learn in doing so, so give it your best shot.
Don't worry too much about the ones behind you.
Don't miss if you get a shot, any shot.
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Don't worry too much about the ones behind you.
Don't miss if you get a shot, any shot.
And if you get a shot, don't spend too much time on it. Shoot and scoot.
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I work on getting the fight right on the deck over trees. Trees are some of my best wingmen. I roll and change direction alot never race tracking vertical or horizontal. This is where learning to fly your plane with the least amount of airspeed comes in handy. You'll find the MMMS (mine mine mine syndrome) strong in most groups. Use that to your advantage and watch as they killshoot themselves into oblivion. Never just give up and you'll be surprised how the tide can turn as they thin out.
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Naturally, I kill all of them.
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One con maintains alt and watches, the other 5 dive on you for the gang.Dive strait down to the deck and pull up at about 1000ft, chances are 2 out of the 6 will hit the ground. Now, do a standard left or right turn, nothing fancy. Another 2 should by this time be overshooting you or hitting the ground. Now the last one on you who has been spraying from 1.5k out for the last 2 minutes should be out of ammo and runs. Then the guy who has been watching from a distance comes down, gives you a cold merge and kicks your arse. This to me atleast seems to be the average result.
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I work on getting the fight right on the deck over trees. Trees are some of my best wingmen. I roll and change direction alot never race tracking vertical or horizontal. This is where learning to fly your plane with the least amount of airspeed comes in handy. You'll find the MMMS (mine mine mine syndrome) strong in most groups. Use that to your advantage and watch as they killshoot themselves into oblivion. Never just give up and you'll be surprised how the tide can turn as they thin out.
That is a pretty smart tactic. Borderline brillant really :salute
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I always like to kill LA, spits and 109s first because they got acceleration to catch up with alot of planes after a good reverse, other night I had 7 on me and I got out somehow I didnt think KI84 can actually stay in front of a spit but she did, landed 6 scalps :rock
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Merge, dodge 6 Ho's, reverse, kill 'em all.
QFT.
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you make some costly mistakes in SA
and you find yourself flying into 6 enemy contacts a few high and a few co alt and a few below
a couple of the contacts are flying faster planes and a few are flying slower but more agile planes
I just wanted to hear what everyone else does in situations like this, where you are ganged and escape does not seem likely
when it happens to me, I know am going to die but I want to make it as hard as possible, so I dive to the deck and turn it into a dirty knife fight on the deck.
it happen to me a few nights ago, I was flying a FM2 and found myself facing 6 cons and I chose to dive to the deck and try for overshoots, augers, I find it thrilling to see how well I can do in these situations
I watch 6-8 guys taking 5 minutes to kill a spit 16 dweeber all the time. Nothing new. If however you aren't on easy mode, then just run carefully..or you're screwed.
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You could try: http://www.danosacm.com/films/fw_12_13_02.zip (http://www.danosacm.com/films/fw_12_13_02.zip)
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I did something like this once (well several times), though I seem to be having trouble finding the film now.
It pretty much ended with a couple of them augering and a couple dieing to my guns. The last one died trying to strafe me while I was getting the ditch. He augered right after he passed over me, giving me one last kill before I ditched with no wings or tail. :rofl
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I find myself in this situation quite a bit. Some people mentioned dodging HOs. That's probably the toughest part. Most of the time from what I see, it's newer pilots (or not as skilled) tend to gang more than vets. Most "old timers" seem to just fly by seeing the guy's allready got 6 on him. All I do is make sure I'm always turning and take shots whenever I can.
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You could try: http://www.danosacm.com/films/fw_12_13_02.zip (http://www.danosacm.com/films/fw_12_13_02.zip)
spam
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spam owns skyrock
:noid
(are we still supposed to be doing that?)
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spam
What the hell are you talking about?! Does the film not work?
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What the hell are you talking about?! Does the film not work?
I think Skyrock is making an editorial comment.
The film works.
wrongway
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edit: no film in the film
wrongway
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I just used the link in the post and there is a film called 1vsbish.ahf :huh
Yall are aware of what a .zip file is, right? (Just checking, refer to the various "How do I do <insert task> on my computer" posts)
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EDIT: Hmm, this film is from AH1. Could that be an issue? I guess maybe the AHII film viewer won't view the older films...sigh :(
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Made my computer go nuts, had to do a hard reboot. <shrug>
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None of the films on your website worked for me. I unzipped them & there is no film to view.
Edit: there were films there but nothing in them.
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:furious Damn, ok.
Thanks for the information regarding them. :salute
Sigh, back to square one I suppose.
I was wondering why traffic dropped... :lol
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Waiting on a post to this: http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,260488.0.html (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,260488.0.html)
If there is something I can do I'll get those films viewable.
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you make some costly mistakes in SA
and you find yourself flying into 6 enemy contacts a few high and a few co alt and a few below
a couple of the contacts are flying faster planes and a few are flying slower but more agile planes
I just wanted to hear what everyone else does in situations like this, where you are ganged and escape does not seem likely
when it happens to me, I know am going to die but I want to make it as hard as possible, so I dive to the deck and turn it into a dirty knife fight on the deck.
it happen to me a few nights ago, I was flying a FM2 and found myself facing 6 cons and I chose to dive to the deck and try for overshoots, augers, I find it thrilling to see how well I can do in these situations
1.) Kill as many as I can.
2.) Die.
3.) Whine on 200.
4.) Re-up.
5.) Rinse, repeat.
Thats what I do. :D
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Bahahahah, you guys are funny. 6 vs 1 is simple. You just die. You are not going to kill all 6. In your example however, the lower guys really don't count the high guys are less of a threat since they will just BnZ so really the threat are the co-alt guys. Now, how many of them are coming in at the same time? If they have some distance, what you see as a 6 vs 1 may actually be a few very fast and close to each other 1 vs 1s or 2 vs 1s
Dive to the deck, and you do have a 6 vs 1