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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: shreck on March 12, 2009, 10:18:57 AM
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Are "lower end" computer systems immune to the effects of smoke rounds?
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Possibly.
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Not completely. I see smoke as 2D, and from a lot of angles it can sort of slide away into nothing. Very few angles can I see smoke fully formed.
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Odd... now folks are saying they are too old to smoke :aok
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Odd... now folks are saying they are too old to smoke :aok
:rofl :rofl
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THERE are a bunch of guys tha tcan see thru smoke. Not sure how its done yet....
I find it hard to believe that a low end system would be running vista on it. Pm Me if you would like more info...
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I could see through smoke on my old laptop. If i looked straight at it there was a 2D effect but I only had to change my head position and it disappeared.
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Yes, when my computer was "lower end" smoke rounds didnt show up, and Im running XP pro.
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Yes that may be true i dint have time to post link to other thead. but Belial and GReric say its a Vista problem.....and admit to being able to do it.... My counter point is i doubt low end systems are running Vista.... AS of yet only one person has posted computer specs so we can see whats going on.
The hand full of guys that ive seen that actually practice this technique are all in the same squad.
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So what squad are these guys in that can see thru the smoke? This way we can have a formal mass "witch hunt".
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So what squad are these guys in that can see thru the smoke? This way we can have a formal mass "witch hunt".
when did this become about squads? :rolleyes:
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when did this become about squads? :rolleyes:
It hasn't Yet. But my bet is he just wants the Witch Hunt :lol :noid :noid
And Yes I use to be able to see threw the Smoke when I Zoomed in on the Old PC running XP Pro.
If there was more then one smoke canister is was hard, with one it was kinda easy.
Crims
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Me and some of my freinds can. That doesnt help me in the GV category.
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Running Xp, on a 3 yr old, half gig pc.. . Smoke seems to look smokey to mee! :rock
Start learning those gv's strokes... you have the talent.. Tuk151 :salute
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For me it had something to do with my video card settings. It used to be no matter where a smoke shell landed it wouldn't show up even a little. It would be like a regular AP/HE shell hit the ground.
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Me and some of my freinds can. That doesnt help me in the GV category.
Actually it does help, allot. Let me splain :)
The other night I was at a spawn that was being camped by a dude in an m4 that was an excellent shot, smacking everyone with the 1st round out. S me as well as a couple others started to fire smoke rnds in front of said sherman hoping to block his view so 1 or 2 of us could get out and reposition. We laid soooooo much smoke in front of him we couldn't see him or any surrounding trees at all. He continued without repositioning to bludgeon everyone till someone came from the other direction and got him from behind. I could see the rounds comin out of the smoke, yet no matter how I zoomed or altered mt graphics I could not see him. The dude in question said he was aware of it and is why he doesn't use smoke so it doesn't matter. Well my experience proves it can matter immensley!
The game has minimum system requirements listed on the sight, maybe a higher grade system should be required for the GV portion of this product!
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on my old computer i had to turn my graphics card down alot to play and i could see through trees and smoke and could see gvs from way off
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i was able to see through smoke the other day when i was having driver issues with my card with i went down to 182.06 the problem cleared up but for the time i was running 182.08 i could see through smoke as if nothing was there i would just see flashes of white stuff every few minutes. but no solid smoke.
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Actually it does help, allot. Let me splain :)
The other night I was at a spawn that was being camped by a dude in an m4 that was an excellent shot, smacking everyone with the 1st round out. S me as well as a couple others started to fire smoke rnds in front of said sherman hoping to block his view so 1 or 2 of us could get out and reposition. We laid soooooo much smoke in front of him we couldn't see him or any surrounding trees at all. He continued without repositioning to bludgeon everyone till someone came from the other direction and got him from behind. I could see the rounds comin out of the smoke, yet no matter how I zoomed or altered mt graphics I could not see him. The dude in question said he was aware of it and is why he doesn't use smoke so it doesn't matter. Well my experience proves it can matter immensley!
The game has minimum system requirements listed on the sight, maybe a higher grade system should be required for the GV portion of this product!
What are u willing to bet the guy that was shooting thru smoke did NOT have a low end system?
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What are u willing to bet the guy that was shooting thru smoke did NOT have a low end system?
well, that's what I understood so it may be just an assumption, either way it sux and should be fixed :aok
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The only fix I can come up with would be to remove smoke altogether but Hitech is the man to talk to I think. I would not want to be flying on a machine that cant see smoke.
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:noid I'm wondering if its not a settings tweak that lets em see threw smoke :noid
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The only fix I can come up with would be to remove smoke altogether but Hitech is the man to talk to I think. I would not want to be flying on a machine that cant see smoke.
How about raising the system requirements for a couple arenas and commiting 1 arena for lower end sytems! Lets face it, I think we as a gaming community have a responibility to help the providers maintain the highest level of product possible, that includes managing your own crappy system so the majority of folks don't have play at the lower levels of performance just to have opponents. Think how far the owners could go with this product if they didn't have to account for the sub performers! :aok
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I updated my "old, outdated" systems video drivers because I suddenly started having frame rate "issues". Presto!! No more smoke.
So, Old drivers = smoke
New, latest drivers = no smoke
What's wrong with this picture.
I also don't think some of the people who admit to not seeing smoke necessarily have "old, outdated" systems, running Vista and whatnot.
Oh, and BTW, updating my drivers not only didn't help the frame rate, it caused some other anomalies besides the smoke thing.
wrongway
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I updated my "old, outdated" systems video drivers because I suddenly started having frame rate "issues". Presto!! No more smoke.
So, Old drivers = smoke
New, latest drivers = no smoke
What's wrong with this picture.
I also don't think some of the people who admit to not seeing smoke necessarily have "old, outdated" systems, running Vista and whatnot.
Oh, and BTW, updating my drivers not only didn't help the frame rate, it caused some other anomalies besides the smoke thing.
wrongway
So is it just a deliberate manipulation of game play, maybe?
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What AWwrgwy is saying sounds like Nvidia is writing drivers in support of newer cards and perhaps leaving off methods for the existing cards? Not sure how to explain that...
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I'm running the newest Nvidia drivers and I see smoke (8800/XP).
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I'm not really sure how smoke is done in this game, but I'm wondering if it has to do with the shader model version their graphics cards have. There can be some extremely funky effects when a game is written for shader model 2 or 3 and the video card is a shader model 1 or 2. Most times the game won't let you run if you don't have the proper version graphics card, however I'm curious if perhaps nVidia's new drivers dropped full support for SM1 graphics cards.
Btw there isn't anything you can do to update the SM, it's hardware reliant. I think using the correct generation of drivers may solve the problems.
If you do have a SM1 card... you'll eventually have to upgrade if this game decides to force SM 2 or 3. By the way, they are currently on SM 4, thanks to DirectX 10, and 11 has been unveiled which includes SM 5, and is to be released with Windows 7. Graphics card companies must be loving Microsoft right now, they are literally giving the companies reason to repackage old cards (updated a bit, of course) under a new name and price.
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I actualy don't have any shaders at all, or at least I think I don't, it has to do with light reflections right?
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Light reflections are just one aspect of graphics the Shader Model creates, it is actually used for almost every aspect of producing the graphics (Including geometry). The SM is actually what takes information about object color, lighting, and reflection to calculate the correct color for every pixel on the screen. So as you can imagine, it'd be hard to have effective smoke if your SM was no longer fully supported by your drivers (if it weren't supported at all, you wouldn't see much) as there would be nothing to average the colors to give it that transparent look.
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So is it just a deliberate manipulation of game play, maybe?
I think the no smoke thing is just a happy coincidence. I don't think it is being manipulated. It just happens for some people. Now, the only way to see if they are taking advantage of it is to determine if they are using smoke disproportionately to mask themselves while killing others through it.
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