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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: TequilaChaser on March 18, 2009, 12:35:12 AM
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I just movd to NC, and mom has this new Business version of NOD32...seemed like it was better than my regular NOD32....so when I went to install it, it says remove all other anti virus or shutdown firewalls or what have you.or turn them off ( meaning antivirus )
so I says mmmmkay...... I uninstall my version of NOD32 and shutdown ZApro...........stupid me
I went to go make a store run for some smokes.and when I came back, it completely slipped my mind of what I had been doing.......
and I began to go browsing..... I picked up 39 intrusions....and had some ind of BOT completely take over my PC to the effect that after 2 reboots it had me locked out completely because I did not know the password to log into windows, the password feature that I had never ever turned on in my WinXP Pro life......
Lesson#1: unplug internet when switching internet security software until prompted for it......
Lesson#2: never leave a job have finished
Lesson#3: read up on what these new BOT's are that are people taking over your bandwith & control of your entire PC.....
the good news........I was able to pull the hard drive / restore my BIOS use and old RAID HD ( SATA hotswappable ) fom my old pc, boot up the new PC and run NOD32 on the new drive ( which picked up immediately like it was an extra storage drive/data drive ) run 4 scan & Cleans.....then double checked it with trendmicro housecall & spybot 1.62 to verify that it was completely clean.......oh btw.this is roughly 18 to 19 straight hours of hell I went through that I am typing this.......
YMMV....mine was a long hard road of live & learn......
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Or take some time to properly configure the default security levels of the OS. I find this to be the least frustrating way of dealing with all this mess.
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9 out of every 10 people that come with infections have NOD.. i dont find it very effective
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I'd say replacing NOD with Norton is more appropriate.
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I'd say replacing NOD with Norton is more appropriate.
only problem i have with norton (mcafee too) is it slows most computers down IMHO.
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Just put your pc behind NAT and you will never run into this again.
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9 out of every 10 people that come with infections have NOD.. i dont find it very effective
I don't think many folks on this BBS are shocked by your claim.
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I don't think many folks on this BBS are shocked by your claim.
SHOCKED
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SHOCKED
You should only be shocked if you believe ANYTHING "TheZohan" types. He's number one on my ignore list..... if we ever get it back :D
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:rofl
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the fugitive is a really great guy
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Just put your pc behind NAT and you will never run into this again.
agreed, is not my router....since I let my daughters back in Florida keep it..and I carelessly just added a patch cable off of Mom's router and instantly logged on and started surfing those webwaves......
but thanks for the reminder to go check out Mom's router capabilitys & settings......
Or take some time to properly configure the default security levels of the OS. I find this to be the least frustrating way of dealing with all this mess.
Skuzzy, if and when you get a chance....would you mind PMing me your idea of Proper OS security levels.......I know you a overloaded workaholic and understand this request is probally numbered 2,012 if not higher :D
I thought you posted once, Skuzzy, that you did not care much for MS WinXP firewall? when you mention proper security, you are talking about IE, I am assuming?
being overly cuatious.....I am fixing to format & install my NEW spare SATA II 320 gig HD........ then once I get all important files off of that other HD, I will completely swipe it clean with paragon ( using the government swiping/cleaning utility ) and reformat it for later use......
am kind of glad I did not set this new PC up with RAID, for it would have infected both HD's........
I have never had any problems with NOD32 or ZoneAlarm/ZonealarmPro......... I hate mcaffee and Nortons......
Bighorn suggested OutPost once... I tried it kind of liked it....but switched back to NOD........
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In the Control Panel, open the "Internet Options" ICON. Select the "Security" tab. By default, in all Windows versions prior to Vista, Microsoft had the defaults configured to be the same for every zone and those defaults allowed anything and everything into your computer.
Just set the 4 zones to the appropriate levels you feel comfortable with. No one here would run thier computers as tight as I set mine up, so fiddle with the settings until you are happy. The key areas of concern lie with ActiveX and scripting options.
ActiveX is the primary delivery system for most malware and spyware. Some viruses also use it.
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9 out of every 10 people that come with infections have NOD.. i dont find it very effective
Well I would like to see where you are getting your stats from. While no anti-virus in the price ranges most of the forum users are totally secure, the one anti virus program out there that can claim never have missed an "In The Wild Virus" is NOD32. "In-the-Wild" viruses are real viruses that have been reported to the Wildlist Organization by at least two independent reporters. Symantec has missed a total of 31, Kaspersky missed 50, BitDefender 114, McAfee 135, TrendMicro 138 etc etc. No other product for home use has a 0 In the Wild Virus. I have been using it both on home and commercial systems for several years and none of my clients nor myself have ever got a virus.
Independent rating companies consistently rate NOD32 highest. You claim to be in the business, I am sure you know where to look for information (no advertising allowed) facts on rating sites
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So TilDeath if those anti-virus' programs listed missed that many, how well does AVG rate? Been using that with Spybot S&D for a while, would hate to think I have missed a virus somewhere.
Figure while people are on the subject of anti-virus I should pop in. :)
I use AVG, Spybot S&D and Windows firewall, yes I know Satan, but I have yet to see anything get on my computer. Plus the last Firewall I had was very annoying (ZoneAlarm).
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While no anti-virus in the price ranges most of the forum users are totally secure, the one anti virus program out there that can claim never have missed an "In The Wild Virus" is NOD32. "In-the-Wild" viruses are real viruses that have been reported to the Wildlist Organization by at least two independent reporters.
and TilDeath, as soon as I re-installed NOD32, it instantly picked up those virus/malware & the "BOT"......problem was it could not remove it, because the BOT took control of my BIOS/BOOT.ini .........it only allowed NOD to updat its virus signature on the initial install, then killed its internet connection from there on.......had I uninstalled and instantly installed the new Business Edition NOD32........... ( yes my stupidity )........ I would be flying the past cple of days instead of pulling out more grey hairs and making my bald spot bigger :rofl
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9 out of every 10 people that come with infections have NOD.. i dont find it very effective
For my part I am shocked that anyone could doubt TheZohan's expert opinion. I generally lurk here without all but the occasional comment. But I have to ask, how could anyone doubt the opinion of one that holds an A+ certification!!??
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Threatfire
Free, keeps anything from moving in and setting up house, or making changes that I don't authorize.
Its small, very low resources footprint, and you can choose if you want to let it autoupdate, or not.
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As an aside it looks like AVG is finally going to cut off version 7.5... I keep getting end of use/upgrade now popups. Don't want to go to AVG 8, looks like I'll finally have to decide on AVG's replacement.
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Threatfire
Free, keeps anything from moving in and setting up house, or making changes that I don't authorize.
Its small, very low resources footprint, and you can choose if you want to let it autoupdate, or not.
Threatfire needs to be used alongside a regular AV program as well btw.
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So TilDeath if those anti-virus' programs listed missed that many, how well does AVG rate?
Don't think your gonna like this, 939 missed, the worst rated
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Don't think your gonna like this, 939 missed, the worst rated
Ow, so um what should I use ya think? I would like free if there is something good for free and not very resource heavy.
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and TilDeath, as soon as I re-installed NOD32, it instantly picked up those virus/malware & the "BOT"......problem was it could not remove it, because the BOT took control of my BIOS/BOOT.ini .........it only allowed NOD to updat its virus signature on the initial install, then killed its internet connection from there on.......had I uninstalled and instantly installed the new Business Edition NOD32........... ( yes my stupidity )........ I would be flying the past cple of days instead of pulling out more grey hairs and making my bald spot bigger :rofl
As stated not all Virus programs are 100% effective, seems to me you have three choices to clean the drive and also a chore to do. To try and remove the Virus you could try the following. If this does not work try below. Have NOD32 starts its scan upon boot (I know you stated it gets shut down). You can get into the program so you should be able to tell it to do this, if not try the following
1) Try starting in "Safe Mode" and run the antivirus there
2) Remove the drive, and install on another system that has an antivirus installed with VIRUS PATTERNS up to date and clean the drive
3) Create a "Boot Disk" with NOD32 and its patterns on a "USB, CD/DVD or Floppy" and clean the drive this way
The Chore is to get the file name that is in your Threat folder and send it off to ESET with an explaination of what it does (Shutting down the anti-virus) they will create a patch.
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Ow, so um what should I use ya think? I would like free if there is something good for free and not very resource heavy.
Anything free is able to be reverse engineered making it easy for Coders to do as they please having their Virus interact with the free apps.
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One other option that might work for some users, is to use a boot cd to boot to Linux. Because its not a windows OS the files that need to be cleaned, but are currently protected, could then be cleaned under linux. A lot of Linux distro's ship with a functioning AV.
Its a bit of work, but its one last thing that you could try before doing a full wipe and start from scratch.
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So TilDeath if those anti-virus' programs listed missed that many, how well does AVG rate? Been using that with Spybot S&D for a while, would hate to think I have missed a virus somewhere.
Figure while people are on the subject of anti-virus I should pop in. :)
I use AVG, Spybot S&D and Windows firewall, yes I know Satan, but I have yet to see anything get on my computer. Plus the last Firewall I had was very annoying (ZoneAlarm).
thats what i do for most of my costumers AVG and Spybot S&D and thats has worked great for 99% of my customers. and for the price you cant bet the protection.
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TheZohan...just out of curiosity, what are your credentials with respect to computer configurations? Not throwing a slam...just curious.
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i am a A+ certified Tech with 20 years experience.
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See Rule #4
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i could care less what you think. and your opinion means nothing to me. you have too options you can take the advice or dont. you dont like what i have to say, then dont like it. not gonna bother me one bit. i do my job very well thank you very much and thats why i make the money i do.
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The important things we can learn from this thread are:
- Never leave the job half finished
- Listen to 'Til Death's advice
- Don't listen to TheZohan
These 3 simple things can save one a lot of headaches.
ack-ack
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The important things we can learn from this thread are:
- Never leave the job half finished
- Listen to 'Til Death's advice
- Don't listen to TheZohan
These 3 simple things can save one a lot of headaches.
again i personally dont care. if you dont like what i have to say. use the ignore feature. thats whats it there for. instead of squeaking and complaining just ignore it. and if you havent then its your own fault
ack-ack
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Someone doesn't seem to realize that this particular version of the forum doesn't have an ignore feature.
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i am a A+ certified Tech with 20 years experience.
I don't know what it's like today but in my day it was much more difficult to obtain some Boy Scout merit badges than today's A+ certification. If that's all you've got then you're in the same league as the most advanced kids that work for geek squad. That being said I -might- let you work on a second hand tricycle I didn't really need in the first place. Beyond that - not a chance.
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i am a A+ certified Tech with 20 years experience.
If A+ is the best you can do over 20 years then thats fairly bad.
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Zohan, I don't know you from adam but a small piece of advice, it looks like your up against an embedded group of regulars heavily armed, the latest craze is to beat your every post to pieces. Good luck, admit when your wrong, hang in when you think your right, but be prepared to prove it.
Me personally I don't like to come off as a know it all, I prefer to collect all information availible, boil it down then make a decision.
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When I saw the "Who's A+ certified" thing the other day I went and found a 20 question A+ certification sample test online. I scored 90% which, I'm only guessing, would be a passing grade. Doesn't say much for A+certification does it?
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What is the general opinion of Panda A.V. ?
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What is the general opinion of Panda A.V. ?
It has been a couple years since I have heard anything about Panda. Most magazines I've perused rarely mention it. I know when I did read a review on Panda AV 2008 about the beginning of last year, CNet gave it a 6 out of 10. They said "it was slower than the competition. It had light support and little documentation."
I know they used to be well regarded at one point. I just don't have the personal use experience. I've used Norton, AVG, Avast, and others. AVG was the worst because pieces of it were still on the drive after I properly uninstalled it.
I now am riding on a 2 year subscription of ESET Smart Security (contains NOD32, firewall and spyware) and only recommend it.
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Antivir, Spyware Blaster, Sunbelt Personal Firewall, and stay behind a hardware firewall...
Pick your flavor of the month as far as anti-spyware software is concerned....
Antivir and Spyware Blaster alone are better at protecting you than anything you could possibly pay for...
In over 6 years, I have never gotten an infection whilst using these....
Ccleaner and Cleanup! are pretty good for cleaning out temp files and whatnot..
I'm surprised no one has mentioned either Antivir OR Spyware Blaster in this thread..... :huh
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Instead of Ccleaner, get Glary Utility. It smokes Ccleaner.
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When I saw the "Who's A+ certified" thing the other day I went and found a 20 question A+ certification sample test online. I scored 90% which, I'm only guessing, would be a passing grade. Doesn't say much for A+certification does it?
its a fairly simple test but most company wont let you work on warranty with out it. i been meaning to get my Net + and work on my MSCE at the least my MCP
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I use nod32 and hitmanpro which is basically an all in one package that runs many well known AV, malware and anti-spyware apps in a cloud (not directly installed on your pc but over the net type thing). The previous verions slowed down your pc and often crashed but the latest version i'd recommend to anyone wanting to check out their pc quickly and efficiently.
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Panda will be in July's CPU article on security suites. So I'll let you know how it does.
In my testing, ESET's NOD32 is among the best av software programs out there. I'll work with whatever the client has purchased most of the time, but for my wife's system, for example, I put on ESET NOD32. Note that I have free access to all the commercial AV products from all the major (and some minor) vendors, so it isn't even a matter of cost.
I am constantly cleaning clients' systems that have AVG on them where AVG says everything is fine - totally missing the problems raging around it.
-Llama
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I don't use anything but a Linksys router and Firefox with NoScript. No problems in two years.
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Setting my browser up to prompt on every single Active X control has equaled zero viruses, malware, spyware, etc. since last fall when I adjusted my settings. It can be a pain in the butt sometimes, but highly effective. I don't even have anti-virus installed anymore.
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Setting my browser up to prompt on every single Active X control has equaled zero viruses, malware, spyware, etc. since last fall when I adjusted my settings. It can be a pain in the butt sometimes, but highly effective. I don't even have anti-virus installed anymore.
Or you could just use a better browser with no activex.
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Or you could just use a better browser with no activex.
The browser is only part of it. Any application connecting to the Internet is affected by the "Internet Options" settings. There are many applications that make use of ActiveX controls.
If you leave it at the default settings, it just means another application can thwart the stability of your computer.