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Title: Joy sticks and Game controlers
Post by: 1DOM1 on March 18, 2009, 10:54:12 AM
I need advice on a good joystick guys. I hear CH makes very good stuff but I think you need to buy the the stick, throttle and rudder pedals to set up properly. Does anyone have experience with CH stuff? I am so used to my cheap "twisty stick" I'm almost afraid to change but mine goes out of calibration every sortie. Any advice on a good stick preferably with the throttle on the base would be of great help. Thank you. 1DOM1
Title: Re: Joy sticks and Game controlers
Post by: gpwurzel on March 18, 2009, 10:58:17 AM
Literally (2 weeks actually  :D (its true tho)) just bought a ch combat stick. Was using a full hotas set up with x52, throttle and pedals (all saitek). Found with the ch stick that the control is a lot more precise. I'm using it with the same throttle and pedals as I was using before - wont bother changing them until they die a natural death. Will be sticking with saitek pedals as they are wider than the ch ones, and I have big feet.


I'd recommend at least a ch stick - the combat stick has a rotary dial for throttle on it. If you are looking for a full hotas, the x52 is good (but has limitations imo).

Ymmv,

Wurzel
Title: Re: Joy sticks and Game controlers
Post by: Bruv119 on March 18, 2009, 10:59:14 AM
you could get away with a ch combat stick with pedals,  it isnt a twisty but does have a throttle on the base of the stick,

the throttle is just the icing on the cake with the extra buttons and hat switches.  A good ch setup will beat anything else for accuracy and durability IMO,

Most of our squad now has CH stuff and the responses are always the same "much more control" etc etc,

I am a CH fanboi so this opinion is very biased.
Title: Re: Joy sticks and Game controlers
Post by: The Fugitive on March 18, 2009, 11:01:22 AM
Bruv summed it up very nice, I have the full CH set too and have had it for years.
Title: Re: Joy sticks and Game controlers
Post by: Shuffler on March 18, 2009, 11:06:17 AM
I have the full Ch setup too. I recommend it.
Title: Re: Joy sticks and Game controlers
Post by: Marauding Conan on March 18, 2009, 11:08:50 AM
Always CH, only CH... Been using them for 15 years and can't imagine how I got by without CH. They are precise, customisable and very durable.

I put it to you this way, it is the last joistick you will ever buy, 15 years on, they still kicking.
Title: Re: Joy sticks and Game controlers
Post by: TheZohan on March 18, 2009, 11:11:01 AM
i had a X52 as my first HOTAS, just got a X45 and thought it was much better then the X52.
Title: Re: Joy sticks and Game controlers
Post by: Chalenge on March 18, 2009, 11:11:58 AM
I have 'more' then the full CH setup (I use the Throttle Quadrant also). Compared to any 'twisty stick' setup the CH is not only more accurate it also offers longer functional life and more importantly smoother flight inputs. Any 'twisty stick' setup will be impossible to use without unintended inputs which will result in gun dispersal on the target. In other words a CH setup will allow you to shoot straighter and hit with more concentrated bursts.
Title: Re: Joy sticks and Game controlers
Post by: Chalenge on March 18, 2009, 11:15:48 AM
Actually this belongs in Hardware forum where this topic is still active:

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,258879.0.html
Title: Re: Joy sticks and Game controlers
Post by: Bruv119 on March 18, 2009, 11:17:20 AM
i had a X52 as my first HOTAS, just got a X45 and thought it was much better then the X52.

have you tried a CH stick at all zohan?  

I've tried both and IMO,  CH > saitek garbage.
Title: Re: Joy sticks and Game controlers
Post by: Anaxogoras on March 18, 2009, 11:20:59 AM
I have a CH combatstick with the throttle on the base and rudder pedals, works great.
Title: Re: Joy sticks and Game controlers
Post by: TheZohan on March 18, 2009, 11:21:24 AM
have you tried a CH stick at all zohan?  

I've tried both and IMO,  CH > saitek garbage.

i used to own a CH joystick for my apple IIe one of the best joysticks you could get IMHO.

Title: Re: Joy sticks and Game controlers
Post by: 1DOM1 on March 18, 2009, 11:56:03 AM
Thank you guys for the advice, much appreciated. Looks like CH its going to be. DOM
Title: Re: Joy sticks and Game controlers
Post by: Cthulhu on March 18, 2009, 02:00:39 PM
I need advice on a good joystick guys. I hear CH makes very good stuff but I think you need to buy the the stick, throttle and rudder pedals to set up properly. Does anyone have experience with CH stuff? I am so used to my cheap "twisty stick" I'm almost afraid to change but mine goes out of calibration every sortie. Any advice on a good stick preferably with the throttle on the base would be of great help. Thank you. 1DOM1
I love my CH stuff, but it is pricey. I went with the Saitek pedals though, because the CH pedals seemed a little too close together for my size 13's.
Title: Re: Joy sticks and Game controlers
Post by: A8TOOL on March 18, 2009, 02:11:16 PM
You can mix and match but stick with at least a CH combat stick or better.

You can find some great deals on peds, throts and CH sticks on Ebay
Title: Re: Joy sticks and Game controlers
Post by: The Fugitive on March 18, 2009, 02:40:15 PM
You can mix and match but stick with at least a CH combat stick or better.

You can find some great deals on peds, throts and CH sticks on Ebay

just be sure you are getting USB stuff on ebay. A lot of people sell the old analog stuff and then you get it home and find out you can't program it any more. Provantage.com has the best prices most times and they are a top notch site to do business with.
Title: Re: Joy sticks and Game controlers
Post by: j500ss on March 18, 2009, 02:53:12 PM
This has come up before, but I have a question. Basically most of you seem to be saying that side by side, you can tell the difference between saitek and CH? Its that noticable ?


 :salute
Title: Re: Joy sticks and Game controlers
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 18, 2009, 02:55:47 PM
This has come up before, but I have a question. Basically most of you seem to be saying that side by side, you can tell the difference between saitek and CH? Its that noticable ?


 :salute

It's as noticable of a difference between a Ford Pinto and a Porsche 911.


ack-ack
Title: Re: Joy sticks and Game controlers
Post by: stodd on March 18, 2009, 03:11:25 PM
Mouse FTW!!
Title: Re: Joy sticks and Game controlers
Post by: Anaxogoras on March 18, 2009, 04:42:22 PM
I love my CH stuff, but it is pricey. I went with the Saitek pedals though, because the CH pedals seemed a little too close together for my size 13's.

That is funny.  The CH joysticks are made for people with large hands, and the rudder pedals for tiny feet. :lol
Title: Re: Joy sticks and Game controlers
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 18, 2009, 07:56:00 PM
That is funny.  The CH joysticks are made for people with large hands, and the rudder pedals for tiny feet. :lol

I am not joking when I say this...the sticks were molded to fit Chuck Hayes (owner/founder of CH) hands and the pedals his feet. 


ack-ack
Title: Re: Joy sticks and Game controlers
Post by: A8TOOL on March 19, 2009, 01:47:31 AM
I use a piece of Styrofoam that is glued to the side of the stick to prop my up a little higher on the stick.
Works fine and after a few hours mold to the shape of your hand resting on it.  :aok
Title: Re: Joy sticks and Game controlers
Post by: Chalenge on March 19, 2009, 02:36:45 AM
To illustrate my point about bullet dispersal from unintended inputs... any of you Saitek users please post video if you have a better pattern than in this film (a headshot). Forgive me ace pilot you were just the last one in a film I made like this.

http://www.4shared.com/file/93732413/8eac907/ace pilot.html

(Slowed to 1/4 speed... download and play full screen)
Title: Re: Joy sticks and Game controlers
Post by: Cajunn on March 19, 2009, 03:09:53 AM
I use the X-52 and ch pro peddles and they work great together, and unlike some people that have trouble with the x-52, I have never had problems with mine and I been using them for almost 2 years now. 
Title: Re: Joy sticks and Game controlers
Post by: Chalenge on March 19, 2009, 03:34:25 AM
Post your film!  :D
Title: Re: Joy sticks and Game controlers
Post by: Avaro on March 19, 2009, 04:36:01 AM
I love my CH stuff, but it is pricey. I went with the Saitek pedals though, because the CH pedals seemed a little too close together for my size 13's.

Difference Is saitek swings like the old Thrustmaster rudder pedals yes I still own a set. :P I think CH would give a bit more precision but I can understand where your coming from. Can always get some of those realistic pedals that cost like 300 bucks alone (best on the market most likely) I'm sure someone knows the name.
Title: Re: Joy sticks and Game controlers
Post by: Ghosth on March 19, 2009, 06:45:49 AM
SimPeds
Title: Re: Joy sticks and Game controlers
Post by: TheZohan on March 19, 2009, 06:57:48 AM
the X52 is a twisty stick the X45 the rudder is on the throttle 
Title: Re: Joy sticks and Game controlers
Post by: A8TOOL on March 19, 2009, 10:11:21 AM
Post your film!  :D

Looks like nose mounted guns.  What were you flying and what does it have to do with which stick you use?
Title: Re: Joy sticks and Game controlers
Post by: Avaro on March 19, 2009, 03:24:12 PM
Looks like nose mounted guns.  What were you flying and what does it have to do with which stick you use?

You can't do that with a twisty stick what hes saying Is he made the shot and still didn't ram him and he was flying sideways. :p
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