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Title: killer k-1 nic
Post by: fcmartin on March 19, 2009, 09:04:44 AM
is there anyone useing this network card?  If so, is it a big help to aces high and if so can you help me with setting my configuration up for mine
Title: Re: killer k-1 nic
Post by: TheZohan on March 19, 2009, 09:10:05 AM
not sure about the nic itself but its the connection the nic is connected to that is way more important. the nic can be great but if you have a horrible ISP or bandwidth the nic isnt gonna help.  most regular 10/100 nics will provide plenty of bandwidth for most needs.
Title: Re: killer k-1 nic
Post by: The Fugitive on March 19, 2009, 09:59:28 AM
not sure about the nic itself but its the connection the nic is connected to that is way more important. the nic can be great but if you have a horrible ISP or bandwidth the nic isnt gonna help.  most regular 10/100 nics will provide plenty of bandwidth for most needs.

This from a guy with 20 years experience  :rolleyes:

fcmartin, check out THIS THREAD (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,254769.0.html). Skuzzy and a few other discuss killer nic type cards. For the most part, they are a scam and really don't help much with your connection. The best thing YOU can do is to clean up your computer as best you can.... cut back on the processes running, run spyware cleaners, virus cleaners, and defrag. As long as your computer is "tuned up" as well as you can keep it, its the best your going to get. After that, its up to the ISP and there routing systems. Get PingPlotter. Its a free program you can use to check your connection to the HTC servers. If you have a bad connection, it will show there. Post a screen shot if you want a few opinions on how it looks.
Title: Re: killer k-1 nic
Post by: Fulmar on March 19, 2009, 10:49:53 AM
(http://www.aceandsons.com/images/wasted_money.jpg)
Title: Re: killer k-1 nic
Post by: Denholm on March 19, 2009, 02:51:33 PM
*Thump*

Could've had an X-58!
Title: Re: killer k-1 nic
Post by: Vulcan on March 19, 2009, 04:12:52 PM
I have a bridge going cheap...
Title: Re: killer k-1 nic
Post by: Ack-Ack on March 19, 2009, 05:23:13 PM
I have a bridge going cheap...

Is it a short cut to your auntie's house?  If so, how much for the bridge?


ack-ack
Title: Re: killer k-1 nic
Post by: Bino on March 19, 2009, 08:35:32 PM
Anything more expensive than a $25 PCI network card is a waste of money.
Title: Re: killer k-1 nic
Post by: Skuzzy on March 20, 2009, 05:59:39 AM
Anything more expensive than a $25 PCI network card is a waste of money.


For most users, that would be true, but the server class Intel cards do offer more bang for the buck than the Killer NIC's.  At around $125.00 (U.S.), they are worth it, if you are running a heavily loaded network which is either more packet bound (thousands of packets per second) or data bound (less packets, but lots of data per packet) all being funneled through one pipe via switch or router.
Title: Re: killer k-1 nic
Post by: TilDeath on March 20, 2009, 11:04:06 AM
(http://www.aceandsons.com/images/wasted_money.jpg)
Again cracking me up with the stuff you find
Title: Re: killer k-1 nic
Post by: Gatr on March 20, 2009, 02:55:16 PM
So GUYS???

On the nic card subject... is this kinda the same as a sound card ?  use one in a pci slot and not on the mother board to save lots a CPU cycles???????????
I moved to off board sound and it helped a TON!!!!
Thx Gatr
Title: Re: killer k-1 nic
Post by: Denholm on March 20, 2009, 02:56:46 PM
I find the onboard networking ports to be quite adequate. I don't think you're going to free up much of anything moving away from the onboard networking.
Title: Re: killer k-1 nic
Post by: Skuzzy on March 20, 2009, 03:02:55 PM
Onboard networking chips have most of the hardware needed built right into the chip.  The only real gains you get from an add-in PCI card is the ability for the network chip to run in parallel with the CPU. 

Although, there is not much the network chip will do in parallel with the CPU so the performance gains are usually pretty small.

Sound cards versus onboard sound chips are very different in this regard.
Title: Re: killer k-1 nic
Post by: Gatr on March 20, 2009, 03:05:50 PM
Thanks guys
And thanks for the tip in the other thread on the sound Skuzzy... It helped a ton
Gatr
Title: Re: killer k-1 nic
Post by: Bino on March 21, 2009, 12:17:34 PM
For most users, that would be true, but the server class Intel cards do offer more bang for the buck than the Killer NIC's.  At around $125.00 (U.S.), they are worth it, if you are running a heavily loaded network which is either more packet bound (thousands of packets per second) or data bound (less packets, but lots of data per packet) all being funneled through one pipe via switch or router.

Thanks, Skuzzy. I should have prefixed my remark with: "For a regular desktop machine..."

Since you know the heavy-lifting NICs so well, do you have a website that you trust to review them honestly?
Title: Re: killer k-1 nic
Post by: Skuzzy on March 21, 2009, 12:31:28 PM
The problem with reviews of network cards is there is no practical way to review them in a manner which shows the application they are best suited for.  Every review I have read about network cards has been woefully inadequate with very poor conclusions being drawn based on questionable data points.

I mentioned just two of the many categories network cards have to deal with.  Large data flow, versus large packet flow.  One card may do one better than the other.  A network adapter showing exemplary performance for handling large amounts of data and small numbers of packets, may royally suck in a reversed environment and vice-versa.

I have been doing this long enough I can get a pretty good idea of what the best application of a network card is by reviewing the data sheets, providing they are detailed enough.
Title: Re: killer k-1 nic
Post by: Vulcan on March 22, 2009, 02:05:46 AM
Since you know the heavy-lifting NICs so well, do you have a website that you trust to review them honestly?

Heavy lifting nic's need to be balanced with a switch to match in performance and features, oh and the right O/S.

Title: Re: killer k-1 nic
Post by: Skuzzy on March 22, 2009, 06:12:07 AM
Heavy lifting nic's need to be balanced with a switch to match in performance and features, oh and the right O/S.

Thanks Vulcan.  I felt I had already gone to the TMI route, but it did need to be said.
Title: Re: killer k-1 nic
Post by: TheZohan on March 22, 2009, 07:46:51 AM
your probably on a major backbone too OS-3 .. right?
Title: Re: killer k-1 nic
Post by: Skuzzy on March 22, 2009, 08:54:15 AM
I think you meant DS-3.

The colo where our servers are has two OC-48 connections. 
Title: Re: killer k-1 nic
Post by: TheZohan on March 22, 2009, 10:32:17 AM
i actually meant OC-3 i typoed

T-1 - 1.544 megabits per second (24 DS0 lines) Ave. cost $250.-$500./mo.
T-3 - 43.232 megabits per second (28 T-1s) Ave. cost $4,000.-$16,000./mo.
OC-3 - 155 megabits per second (100 T-1s) Ave. cost $20,000.-$45,000./mo.
OC-12 - 622 megabits per second (4 OC3s) no estimated price available
OC-48 - 2.5 gigabits per seconds (4 OC12s) no estimated price available
OC-192 - 9.6 gigabits per second (4 OC48s) no estimated price available

i guess i trying  was saying a K-1 Nic would probably work better on a better pipe then what we get at home
Title: Re: killer k-1 nic
Post by: Reschke on March 23, 2009, 04:38:21 PM
Well another group of gamers is about to bite the bullet. This card has 128MB of RAM on it.

http://www.evga.com/articles/00467/
Title: Re: killer k-1 nic
Post by: rapp25 on March 23, 2009, 05:52:53 PM
Well another group of gamers is about to bite the bullet. This card has 128MB of RAM on it.

http://www.evga.com/articles/00467/

Man, I thought those 4000+DPI laser/optical mice marketed mainly towards the FPS genre were the biggest scam but this one owns it.
Title: Re: killer k-1 nic
Post by: Fulmar on March 23, 2009, 07:17:29 PM
Man, I thought those 4000+DPI laser/optical mice marketed mainly towards the FPS genre were the biggest scam but this one owns it.
I'd disagree on scam (for the mice).  I use to play FPS games competitively and an HQ mice can make a world of difference.  Currently I have a Logitech G9 where I can tune the DPI on the fly, comes in real handy.  For my graphic design work, it's even proved itself more worthy.  Nothing like being able to get in some nice retouches etc when I'm able to control the speed of the mouse and its sensitivity with the push of a button.
Title: Re: killer k-1 nic
Post by: rapp25 on March 23, 2009, 08:18:55 PM
I'd disagree on scam (for the mice).  I use to play FPS games competitively and an HQ mice can make a world of difference.  Currently I have a Logitech G9 where I can tune the DPI on the fly, comes in real handy.  For my graphic design work, it's even proved itself more worthy.  Nothing like being able to get in some nice retouches etc when I'm able to control the speed of the mouse and its sensitivity with the push of a button.

I played quake3 since its birth and a few other fps games to a high standard along the years and still do. When the mice reached 1600-1800dpi they were useful in fps games but anything over that is just complete overkill beyond your graphics design work which is why I stated fps genre. Most pro gamers in quake are using microsoft optical wheelmouse 1.1a which operates at 400dpi and some use usbrate to overclock the mouse hz to 250 - it retails in ther ball park of 10 years olds lunch money.
I do find the inbuilt firmware in a lot of razer  and logitech mice that alter the polling rate via firmware useful i.e. 1ms/1000hz polling etc but the need for a 4000dpi mouse for fps games is about 10 years ahead of its time. I say this mainly because of resolutions on the monitor - if you use for example 1600x1200 to game then 1600dpi is fine above that and your hitting invisible barriers on the screen that produce negative acceleration at times.
Title: Re: killer k-1 nic
Post by: Vulcan on March 24, 2009, 05:50:54 AM
Well another group of gamers is about to bite the bullet. This card has 128MB of RAM on it.

http://www.evga.com/articles/00467/

128Mb RAM LOL on a network card?

The irony is they'll probably put it behind a $20 switch.
Title: Re: killer k-1 nic
Post by: Skuzzy on March 24, 2009, 05:59:59 AM
Sort of like buying a dozen Ferrari's so you can have a daily commuter.  Hehe.
Title: Re: killer k-1 nic
Post by: Gatr on March 24, 2009, 07:40:21 PM
Can I have just one? :rofl
Title: Re: killer k-1 nic
Post by: Denholm on March 25, 2009, 08:37:46 AM
With insurance on that thing, you might reconsider. Unless of course you're out to sell it. :P