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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Wingnutt on March 23, 2009, 01:00:16 PM
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(http://pages.suddenlink.net/ja001son/AH2/p40.jpg)
anyone else have lots of trouble seeing aicraft against the water or in this case against trees..
granted, geen plane, green background, but should it really be that hard to see? I would think in real live, a flying airplane less than 200 meters away would be pretty easy to see, regardless of its color scheme and the background.. that and the trees hes blending into so well are FAR in the distance..
this is probably not the best example, ive seen better.. but you get the idea..
and yes, I ran right into this guy :lol
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adjusting gamma stops any troubles..... and the big red tag that says P40!
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I think that's why they call it camo, it's suppose to blend in.
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I think that's why they call it camo, it's suppose to blend in.
of course, but nearly invisible at less than 200 meters?
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Oh yeah wingnutt, I have had the "omygodiamgonnacolli..." (insert fireball here) moments.
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P-40 rocks :rock
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adjusting gamma stops any troubles..... and the big red tag that says P40!
:rofl
I will try adjusting my gamma I guess..
seems all the colors in the game are kinda washed out to me (which is probably what is causing this problem)
would make sense.
EDIT: come to think of it, a while back posted a similar thread with a different picture, I think it was regarding to planes blending into the water background.. or something.. In the end it was determined it was due to the limitations of the graphic engine..
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I have the same problem wingnutt
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perk the green paint!!
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(http://pages.suddenlink.net/ja001son/AH2/p40.jpg)
anyone else have lots of trouble seeing aicraft against the water or in this case against trees..
granted, geen plane, green background, but should it really be that hard to see? I would think in real live, a flying airplane less than 200 meters away would be pretty easy to see, regardless of its color scheme and the background.. that and the trees hes blending into so well are FAR in the distance..
this is probably not the best example, ive seen better.. but you get the idea..
and yes, I ran right into this guy :lol
Your speedo indicates that you're going @465 mph and the P-40 (which I'm guessing you're trying to bounce) is 200 yds in front and likely going much slower.
You've already collided, you just don't know it yet. And if you really can't see him, how did you get latched onto his six? ;)
+1 on the big red icon giving away his position.
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Wingnutt's right. Compared to real life, visibility of other aircraft in-game is subpar, especially close to the ground or water. Granted, camouflage should reduce initial detection @ range, but @ 200 yds? That's rediculous.
Sure, you can turn up the Gamma, but that's a crutch. That's like saying I should use night vision gear to see better in the middle of the day. Shouldn't have to. And I don't recall him saying anything about not seeing the P-40 icon. He was talking about the plane itself. As far as colliding, I'm sure he would have pulled the trigger sooner and evaded the P-40 if he'd been able to see it sooner.
Frankly I think the problem is too little reflectivity. Even aircraft painted with flat paint should have a certain sheen to them. The ones in-game don't.
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Everytime I up a P-40 every enemy aircraft in the sector descend on me.
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It's certainly not easy to see the P-40, but it is better seen when in motion - which the screenshot doesn't show.
The problem is the computer screen cannot even come close to duplicating a real pilot's eyesight. Hence the reason for the icons.
Yes, it is harder to see against the ground than against the blue sky. My eyesight's not great, but I can see the plane in the picture.
P-40s are deathtraps Buster. Make sure you double up your life insurance before you hit the runway. :)
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I FOUND IT!
What do I win?
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I FOUND IT!
What do I win?
A Cindy Crosby pink lunchbox.
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Your speedo indicates that you're going @465 mph and the P-40 (which I'm guessing you're trying to bounce) is 200 yds in front and likely going much slower.
You've already collided, you just don't know it yet. And if you really can't see him, how did you get latched onto his six? ;)
+1 on the big red icon giving away his position.
for one the "big red icon" is not the target.. its hard to shoot at someone you dont see, even if you know they are under the icon..
The p40 was doing probably 340 or so, I had got on his 6 earlier, he was trying to drag me over his Wirble buddy in town. 200 is usually how far out I start firing from, in this case I didn't because I couldn't even see the damn plane.. i knew "where it was" but I couldent see it for the purpose of a gun solution.
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Already have it.
I'm still looking for the flowered one with a picture of him holding the CUP on it. I don't think I will have to look too long. :D
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It's certainly not easy to see the P-40, but it is better seen when in motion - which the screenshot doesn't show.
actually, its no better whatsoever when it is in motion. if it was easier to see in motion, this thread would not exist.
I dont have a real life image to reference obviously but im guessing a green plane flying tree top level over a forest would perhaps actually be not really easy to see from above.... but a green plane in front of NOTHING.. except some green foliage way off in the distance.. would probably be pretty easy to see..
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Disable the Plane Skins.
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Thats about what I see every flight. My problem isn't running into them, I see the big red icon, I just can't isolate the actual plane, and hence can't shoot it. I just blindly throw bullets out in the area I think he is, but I can't make out the plane's outline at all over 1/2 the time flying.
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Already have it.
I'm still looking for the flowered one with a picture of him holding the CUP on it. I don't think I will have to look too long. :D
Good luck. I know the Cup won't be here this year, sheesh what a crap season.
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Thats about what I see every flight. My problem isn't running into them, I see the big red icon, I just can't isolate the actual plane, and hence can't shoot it. I just blindly throw bullets out in the area I think he is, but I can't make out the plane's outline at all over 1/2 the time flying.
Sounds like we could wear each other's glasses :) (But let's not and say we didn't OK?)
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anyone else have lots of trouble seeing aicraft against the water or in this case against trees..
granted, geen plane, green background, but should it really be that hard to see? I would think in real live, a flying airplane less than 200 meters away would be pretty easy to see, regardless of its color scheme and the background.. that and the trees hes blending into so well are FAR in the distance..
this is probably not the best example, ive seen better.. but you get the idea..
and yes, I ran right into this guy :lol
I have exactly the same problem, which is why I tend to start thinking about logging off when AH's dusk comes along and the airplanes disappear altogether when over a forest or water.
Using gamma has been suggested but that just washes everything out. AFAIK the things that would help to fix it would be to paint the water and trees with brighter colours, bump up the emissive light on the aircraft models (which would also reduce the shadow on the bottom side of the aircraft, which the game needs IMO), both of which should be easy fixes.
asw
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It is not that easy to see a camouflage aircraft in flight in RL. When I was in flight instructors school they showed actual photos of scenery and had us pick
out the aircraft. They were almost impossible to see at time. There was one picture that had four military aircraft in flight above a town and you really had to look to find them.
Military camouflage paint has no sheen to it. When I stationed in Vietnam I took a lot of photos of Helicopters etc. and there was not a bit of reflective sheen to them.
In the game I have my Cougar HOTAS Thurstmaster joystick set up to zoom in and out with one of the coolie hats, so if I have a problem seeing the target just zoom in a bit.
RVflyer
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Good luck. I know the Cup won't be here this year, sheesh what a crap season.
Injury bug bit the Stars hard.
Oh...and some tard named AVERY :rolleyes:
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Turn your gamma up to 1.1, and problem should be solved. Every couple of months, I have to do that myself, since it likes to reset itself to 1.0.
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Turn your gamma up to 1.1, and problem should be solved. Every couple of months, I have to do that myself, since it likes to reset itself to 1.0.
this defiantly helps, but the colors seem to wash out..
if it wasnt for this problem, i would probably run it at .8 gamma, the colors look more crisp that way than with 1.0 but the afore mentioned problem would just be worse. Usability, VS beauty.. oh well, not the first time. :frown:
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Injury bug bit the Stars hard.
Oh...and some tard named AVERY :rolleyes:
I might get to see the cup this year..... its been a long time since it was in Boston.
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Injury bug bit the Stars hard.
Oh...and some tard named AVERY :rolleyes:
Biggest "wtf?" moment since we traded off Nieuwendyk and Langenbrunner.
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It is not that easy to see a camouflage aircraft in flight in RL.
Hah! For some of us it is not that easy to see un-camoflaged aircraft in flight in real life, particularly if they are below the horizon. I find quite often that my eye is drawn by movement, rather than by seeing the plane.
- oldman
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Always wondered if it would be possible to remove all planes skin save 1(orange Nik) and make it default for all planes.
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I frequently have this problem, course I also have a little of the 'ol red/green color blindness going on to. I even lose the default red icons against the forest terrain too, actually fly witht he default icon colors reversed.
Will have to try messing with the gama to see if it helps, running a little on the dark side lately because I like the color palette more that way.
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Injury bug bit the Stars hard.
Oh...and some tard named AVERY :rolleyes:
Cidny who? :t You go little P40. Fight zie big bad german!
(http://i579.photobucket.com/albums/ss232/_armageddon/Alexander%20Ovechkin/ovechkin444.jpg)
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in real life, icons were off.
so why not have icons off in the MA?
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in real life, icons were off.
so why not have icons off in the MA?
1. In real life, Mustangs didn't fight Mustangs.
2. The limitations of 2-D monitors and limited pixel depth is compensated by range on icons.
3. You don't have to fly with icons on in the MA, or anywhere else for that matter. Feel free to turn them off and enjoy yourself.
Even with icons, I can't tell if they are coming or going part of the time.
wrongway
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Add me to the list of people who has a hard time spotting aircraft at close range when over the wooded areas or ocean. Yes, the icon is easy to see, but you have to be able to see the aircraft itself to know what the other guy is doing, where to shoot, how to anticipate, etc.
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Hah! For some of us it is not that easy to see un-camoflaged aircraft in flight in real life, particularly if they are below the horizon. I find quite often that my eye is drawn by movement, rather than by seeing the plane.
- oldman
That is true OM now days with cities building up around the airport it can be really hard to spot an aircraft in the traffic pattern against all of the background clutter.
It is also getting hard to even spot an airport at night time with all of the bright city lights around it. Thankfully we have GPS now:)
RVflyer
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The same thing used to be with the B-26. If you'd fly above them over a wooded area, the entire formation would *poof* disappear. And it's even bigger than the P-40! :huh
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Yeah b26s are especially difficult.
I don't think people who don't have this problem realise how bad it is. I can be fixed d200 behind a con, but should he turn into a wooded area i completely lose him. I can see his icon, but that is of no use if i can't see his wings or fuselage, the only thing i can do is break off the attack.
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I predict a massive increase in P-40 and B-26 usage :D
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Yeah b26s are especially difficult.
I don't think people who don't have this problem realise how bad it is. I can be fixed d200 behind a con, but should he turn into a wooded area i completely lose him. I can see his icon, but that is of no use if i can't see his wings or fuselage, the only thing i can do is break off the attack.
yup, and it makes me wonder if it is my / our eyes, or our monitors set incorrectly in some way...
I auger many times trying to get "below" the con so I can be looking at his outline to shoot.
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I find it funny that people are complaining about how hard aircraft can be to see, but when players whine that turning off player skins makes the Tiger and Panzer Blaze orange while other tanks are green they tell them to suck it up :lol
Isn't it supposed to be harder to see a tank in the forest than a plane in the air? Give me a default green paint job for the GVs and I'll gladly support your desire to see planes better :aok
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I also have the same problem, hopfully when they upgrade the terran it will be better, I also noticed in FSO they are easyer to see due to the background color scheme.
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It seems to me that size is the real culprit here, in real life planes that are 500 yards away look much larger than in AH (not sure if this is some kind of code limitation or what). The zoom helps but then you loose some SA as a trade off.
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It seems to me that size is the real culprit here, in real life planes that are 500 yards away look much larger than in AH (not sure if this is some kind of code limitation or what). The zoom helps but then you loose some SA as a trade off.
Zoom helps a lot, but it completely hoses your SA (vis-à-vis distance estimation), which can be fatal when you're diving towards the ground. How many times have you realized at the last moment that you were a lot closer to the ground than you thought?
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Ive had to adjust gamma in the middle of fights lately. I figured my video card was dieing, so glad to hear others have the same problem. :D
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Add me to the list of people who has a hard time spotting aircraft at close range when over the wooded areas or ocean. Yes, the icon is easy to see, but you have to be able to see the aircraft itself to know what the other guy is doing, where to shoot, how to anticipate, etc.
+1
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Ive had to adjust gamma in the middle of fights lately. I figured my video card was dieing, so glad to hear others have the same problem. :D
In the middle of a fight? The force is strong with this 1. (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-sw018.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org)
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(http://pages.suddenlink.net/ja001son/AH2/p40.jpg)
anyone else have lots of trouble seeing aicraft against the water or in this case against trees..
granted, geen plane, green background, but should it really be that hard to see? I would think in real live, a flying airplane less than 200 meters away would be pretty easy to see, regardless of its color scheme and the background.. that and the trees hes blending into so well are FAR in the distance..
this is probably not the best example, ive seen better.. but you get the idea..
and yes, I ran right into this guy :lol
The varied degrees of reality due to sharpness and image quality based on a distance in this game are lacking a bit. If they upped that option instead of loading stupid squad skins I'd be all for it. It would give us all a better idea and feel for the ground to air. That's why you couldn't see it, yuo were taking in the whole surroundings (as you should that low!)
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Remember after the terrain update, when all the terrain totally blended into itself? You could make out no shapes, bumps, nothing, until they broke the horizon (secones before flipping you over or killing you)?
Well that was fixed eventually, but only just barely.
I have a feeling that once the new terrain is finished, and we have better quality lighting and textures to fly OVER, that planes will stand out better (as they should) against the ground.
It's like the terrain is over-saturated or something. I've had a harder time seeing green icons against the super-blue skies since AH2 came out (as compared to AH1).
Definitely improved in some places over the older game, but leaves room for still more improvement.