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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: skullman on March 25, 2009, 12:44:49 PM
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what are your favorite joystick-gonna be getting a new system soon and have been using the saitek st290 and like it.Dont want an x52-heard too much negativity-Need a twist rudder.What are some suggestions
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CH here. Fighter Stick, Pro Throttle, Pro Peddals.
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CH Fighter Stick, CH Pro Throttle, Saitek Pedals (big feet :) )
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I hadn't heard much bad about an X52 but if you have...
I use all CH products. The Figherstick USB, Pro Throttle USB and Pro Pedals USB. I also use a powered USB 4 port hub for this gear to insure no problems with my computer. Works fine, cost a small fortune. Wish I had more buttons available as it only has 32 programmable ones.
As far as ST290's. They're a fair beginner stick. Not too expensive and if you get it set up correctly before you really get into flying then you won't have to make changes and relearn the stick.
Hope this helps.
Ren
Aces High Training Corps
Das Muppets
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i just traded a X52 for a ch setup with saitek rudders. the x52 was a great stick. actually more friendly, in my opinion then the ch. what i miss is the 2 stage trigger on the x52.
now that i have a ch setup i really like it. very very smooth. i still die alot, but i look cool at the very least!! :)
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Went from the st290 to the x52 and hated it at first, took about 1-2 weeks and now i love it. I still use the 290 when I'm out of town, but when i do i really miss the x52.
:salute
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If its price your concerned about, try the Logitech Extreme 3D Pro. Not a bad "twisty" stick for low price. I love my X52 set up, only thing I have had go wrong with it is it loses calibration for no apparent reason. BUT, there is a better version of the X52, its the Pro model. About 70$ more than the X52 standard, cheaper than the CH HOTAS setup and is pretty much bug free so far. Both X52 setups are twisty sticks BTW.
Personally, I wouldn't buy a CH product, don't like how they are set up (button config's), some like 'em, some don't.
SALUTE and good luck with your choice.
A8Chewey
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I used the ST290Pro for 5 years or so before it wore out. My X52 is going on 3-4 years now and still going strong.
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I've had my x52 for 3-4 years as well. No problems, but there ARE some things I occasionally have to remind myself.
#1, never calibrate inside AH. For some reason it makes my stick "twitchy". It never gave me response problems just using windows calibration
#2. In advanced joystick settings, for roll and pitch, make sure to turn off stick scaling. With it on, my nose tended to bounce like a superball. Stick scaling off and I can MUUUCH easier line up shots.
One of the things I like with the X52 is the fact that you can turn off the Rudder and "lock" the stick if you ever buy rudder pedals later. Another positive is that the "grip" can be adjusted for larger or smaller hands.
However, if you don't go with the x52, the CH kits are fantastic, and the only reason I don't have one of those instead is price.
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what are your favorite joystick-gonna be getting a new system soon and have been using the saitek st290 and like it.Dont want an x52-heard too much negativity-Need a twist rudder.What are some suggestions
Most of your higher-end set ups won't have a twist-rudder control. You'll have no way to control the rudder that I know of unless you have rudder pedals...
I have both an X-52pro and an X-45 and I use the X-45 mostly because the rudder control is on the throttle and uses a rocker type control..
I re-mapped that to use the thumb dial on the throttle instead as there is more fine control and it'll hold at what ever setting you put it at..
It's also easy to center..
Both are pretty good sticks.. I think people start having problems when they get rough with them.. I've never had any issues with either stick..
If you're on a budget, the X-45 is a great choice... If you've got the cash, the X-52 or the X-52Pro are nice...
Other than that, you'll be limited to the mainly mid-range to lower-range sticks.. Some guys swear by the Saitek Aviator.. Personally, I can't stand it
and think it's pretty uncomfortable as well..
The Microsoft Sidewinder Precision Pro is also a pretty good choice.. I have one of these too, but it just doesn't have enough buttons on it..
You can find these used and new on eBay or Amazon..
How'd your surgery go, Skull? Hope all went well!! :salute
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Howdy Skull,
I use the X52 Stick & throttle setup. It does tend to lose calibration on me sometimes. Tried a powered USB hub, but made little difference.
Way
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what i miss is the 2 stage trigger on the x52.
I wish someone made a twisty with a 2 stage trigger. Jaxxo and I were discussing the pros (good feel, lots of buttons well placed) and the cons(crap quality) of the Wingman Extreme 3D the other day. Honestly if I could find someone that could mod one out with high quality pots and a 2 stage trigger I would pay $100 for it. Other than that they are complete pieces of crap and I wouldn't touch one with a 10 foot pole.
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CH here. Fighter Stick, Pro Throttle, Pro Peddals.
Ditto!
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I was considering the ch setup but will not be able to use pedals-is there another way to do rudder control
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SKull, one thing I forgot to mention about the X-45:
Since the rudder control is location on the throttle and the stick has no twist control, this negates any rudder input you do not desire when in flight..
As I explained in my last post, the X-45 has a rocker on the throttle that you control with you index, middle, and forefinger..
Or, you can map it to one of the rotary knobs on the throttle for more precision..
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v173/cardan/P3230006.jpg)
(http://img.tomshardware.com/us/2001/11/09/joysticks_for_flight_simulation/x45palonnier.jpg)
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I was considering the ch setup but will not be able to use pedals-is there another way to do rudder control
I thought that over before I posted Skullman. You can actually control both rudders with one foot by moving your foot back and forth on one pedal. I realize that your knee is healing so you may also may be able to set the hat switch or maybe the mousey thingy on the throttle for rudder control. I'm not sure about that but can test it or maybe someone else can. I'm not playing at the moment.
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The only good stick I have used is the X52, been using it for about a year. I have loved the stick from day-1, but I have also hated it from day-1. It's kinda like a girlfriend that's great in bed but you want to kill her the rest of the time.
I like how it functions and I like the profiler (though it took me 6 months to figure out how to use the profiler, the instructions suck), but this stick gives me more problems than its worth. It seems to loose power randomly, does it about 1-3 times a night. It will blink out and come back on real quick. The problem is if you are in the middle of a turn when it looses power, when it comes back it will re-calibrate based on where you are holding it at the time. It usually happens in the middle of a dog fight. I will be holding the stick nearly all the way back, and I see the LEDs blink and I know the fight's over. Once you let the stick go the game thinks you are pushing it all the way forward. All I can do is unplug it and plug it back in. Problem with that is 1/3 times I do it my computer goes to a blue screen and reboots itself. Then when I get back in the game the pilot I was fighting is giving me crap about escaping out of the fight.
That's the main problem I have, but there are a bunch of other weird things that happen with it, like the uncontrollable mouse cursor after I exit the game; have to reboot to get it back. I also wish the spring was a little stiffer, though I have seen a YouTube film showing an easy trick for making it stiffer.
Honestly, having used the X52 I would not recommend it to anyone. I will be moving to a CH complete flight control system next.
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what are your favorite joystick
The one between my legs :O
But really, I've used X52 for years and never had a problem. I've used it on Xp with profiler and had an issue now and then, and now have Visterd and have never had to recalibrate, although I still do it out of habit.
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thnx guys-for cheaper I think it will be a 3d pro an the ch setup is probably the best choice
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Saitek AV8R is nice if you like a twisty and like the ST290. I have one of each and far prefer the AV8R.
[EDIT] Just read the other posts and my AV8R looses calibration sometimes too... must be a Saitek thing.
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I like the st290 an always just calibrate when I log on-think I am gonna go with the ch hotas-x52 is nice but have heard too much about people not liking it
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I've used several sticks over the years, with the CH set up Combat Stick, Pro Petals and Pro throttle being first choice followed by the Siatek X-52. The thing that impressed me about the CH equip was the first time in a steep descending turn to the point of a black out and I was still in easy control. The equipment is definitely away ahead of my ability as a flier. Hasn't given me any calibration problems is always consistent - as I was told once conserve the $'s and buy CH. The last setup I'll probably buy. :noid :salute
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gonna go with ch hotas setup an try to use some function for rudder-thanks for info