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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: 1Boner on March 25, 2009, 07:20:04 PM
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This was brought up ( by me) in another thread.
I thought (wrongly,so I'm told) that "attack" meant ground attack.
If you can score both ground attack AND air to air kills in "attack" mode, why bother having a "fighter" mode?
Explanations?
If indeed I am wrong in my interpretation of the word, what exactly is the difference between "attack" and "fighter" mode??
If a plane can't carry ord or have enough cannon power to kill ground targets, yet still kills air to air, how is that different from flying in "fighter' mode??
Should "fighter" mode be eliminated altogether?
Would it cut down on the 5-6 sortie 18 k/d ratios etc? With the culprits flying the rest of the tour in "attack" mode, yet killing 90% of their kills air to air??
Does it matter?
Would it make a difference in the way people fought?
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HT says it's so that those who want to compete for fighter rank aren't penalized for not bombing/attacking ground targets.
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On the contrary.. Why don't we get rid of bomber and attack scores as each can be easily achieved to phenomenal levels without ever actual fighting anything..
Fighter is really the only category that goes up or down depending on if you actually "killed" anything....
Personally, I could care less what happens as I don't really put much thought into score.. K/D maybe just to see how I'm doing.. But actual score is meaningless to me..
Sometimes I find myself in a certain mode for almost a whole tour without ever knowing....
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On the contrary.. Why don't we get rid of bomber and attack scores as each can be easily achieved to phenomenal levels without ever actual fighting anything..
Fighter is really the only category that goes up or down depending on if you actually "killed" anything....
Personally, I could care less what happens as I don't really put much thought into score.. K/D maybe just to see how I'm doing.. But actual score is meaningless to me..
Sometimes I find myself in a certain mode for almost a whole tour without ever knowing....
Have to agree with the bombing buildings in "attack" mode.
GV and moving naval target kills should be allowed in "attack" mode only. No buildings or air to air.
If you want to score kills air to air, fly fighter mode.
Going after GVs etc, fly in "attack" mode.
I thought that "attack" meant ground attack.
If it indeed means both ground and air to air, why bother having " fighter mode?
A kill is a kill.
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On the contrary.. Why don't we get rid of bomber and attack scores as each can be easily achieved to phenomenal levels without ever actual fighting anything..
Fighter is really the only category that goes up or down depending on if you actually "killed" anything....
Personally, I could care less what happens as I don't really put much thought into score.. K/D maybe just to see how I'm doing.. But actual score is meaningless to me..
Sometimes I find myself in a certain mode for almost a whole tour without ever knowing....
Agree.
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On the contrary.. Why don't we get rid of bomber and attack scores as each can be easily achieved to phenomenal levels without ever actual fighting anything..
Fighter is really the only category that goes up or down depending on if you actually "killed" anything....
Personally, I could care less what happens as I don't really put much thought into score.. K/D maybe just to see how I'm doing.. But actual score is meaningless to me..
Sometimes I find myself in a certain mode for almost a whole tour without ever knowing....
Not that it means much, but you have some fairly good "building" kills under "attack" and only 1 actually "killed" anything.
And as far as Bombers are concerned, what else would you suggest they score on?
Bombers can be "gamey' but not fractionally as much as the fighter/attack mode can be misused.
I'm not tryin to cut you down, but now having that knowledge makes your statement fall kinda flat.
But I still kinda agree with your initial statement none the less as far as the attack mode and buildings are concerned. :salute
So again i will ask, If you can kill both ground and air in attack mode, why have a fighter mode?
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So again i will ask, If you can kill both ground and air in attack mode, why have a fighter mode?
Good question, I never even bother to change from fighter to attack, really have no idea how it works and what to use it for. It has been stuck in one of them forever and never changed it.
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Good question, I never even bother to change from fighter to attack, really have no idea how it works and what to use it for. It has been stuck in one of them forever and never changed it.
Thats kinda my point.
Like Bombers only get score for ground and building kills, nothing for air to air, I was assuming that "attack" meant ground attack.
If "attack" means both ground AND air to air, why have the "fighter" mode to hide behind.
You know as well as I do that quite a few guys will fly 5 or 6 sorties in fighter mode and then "hide" the rest of the tour in "attack" mode.
Kinda smells funny, ya know?
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I hope thats not the case,,,, :noid
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IIRC when you are in attack mode your hit % doesn't suffer from strafing buildings.
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Not that it means much, but you have some fairly good "building" kills under "attack" and only 1 actually "killed" anything.
And as far as Bombers are concerned, what else would you suggest they score on?
Bombers can be "gamey' but not fractionally as much as the fighter/attack mode can be misused.
I'm not tryin to cut you down, but now having that knowledge makes your statement fall kinda flat.
But I still kinda agree with your initial statement none the less as far as the attack mode and buildings are concerned. :salute
So again i will ask, If you can kill both ground and air in attack mode, why have a fighter mode?
For the past month or so, I've been showing the ropes to my good buddy USMARINE who is an IL2 vet and just joined AH last month..
If you look at any of my past score history, (since you are so interested :devil) you'll see I haven't dropped hardly anything and if I did,
it was out of shear boredom.. And if I did score something on attack, it was by mistake and I never realized it until I actually looked..
When people actually have kills under attack mode, that's one thing.... But to have an outlandishly high attack score with hardly any kills
is something else altogether.. Again, to each his own how they play.. If some guys find amusement in destroying static targets, by all
means, they should do what makes them happy..
Attack mode should be just that....Attack.. Not shooting or dropping on static targets.. Dropping on static targets should be left to the bomber category.. The bomber category should stay the way it is.... For the attack category, they should remove any type of scoring associated with hitting static targets.. The only things that should count are things that can shoot back:
Manned Guns, Planes, GVs, etc.
One thing I'd like to be scoreless under the bomber category is sinking of ships.... If you want to sink a CV, use ATTACK aircraft and dive bombers..
Doing it with B17's, B24's, or Lancs is lame, imho and only takes 2 or 3 tries before you "get it" and can continue to be successful with it.. And
not that this is a WWII sim, because it's not (according to HiTech), but when where ships ever bombed from b17's or the like?
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Sounds like yet another "Make them play my way" whine, but I will give it a shot . . .
Why have fighter vs. attack only . . .
Because some people like to see how they fair in pure air-to-air combat. Only hits on airplanes count toward hit%. Ground kills and buildings blown up do nothing for the category, but then, most people who care about their "fighter stats" likely wouldn't be bothering with such things anyway. Fly to the enemy, shoot him down, rtb if possible, and later contrast and compare how you fare against other people who were doing the same thing.
By contrast, in attack mode (which, counter to whatever that was that adonizer was trying to say) is about destroying ground targets and facilities (yes, even static ones), and therefore hits on buildings and vehicles will count as hits. This results in an inflated hit% vs. what you will see in an individual's "fighter" stats. This then also makes it generally useless to judge your pure air-to-air combat ability, if that is your motivation to look at stats at all.
So, you ask, why allow air kills to "count" for attack sorties . . .
Well, why shouldn't they? A person flying attack isn't doing so in a vacuum. Odds are, if he is the "attack" sort, he is trying to capture a base. Wow, in an air combat game, people will actually up airplanes to stop such an attack on their base! The "attacker" must therefore engage in *gasp* air-to-air combat in order to be successful in his base-taking endeavor. If he is successful in his air-to-air combat after he drops his two bombs or strafes down whatever building, why shouldn't he be "rewarded" with a kill?
Remove the fighter category, and you have quite a few furballing types who would be upset that they can't compare their uber-l33t skilz to other "real" pilots and have their hit percentage look puny compared to a bunch of die-hard toolshedders.
Remove the air-to-air attack kills, and you will (IMO) degrade gameplay because even more people will be concerned they aren't flying the "proper" category to actually shoot at a plane or a building despite team-mates in the area requesting help. Having a flight of P-47s swoop in on a town, drop ord, and then run away from the defenders because their kills wouldn't count does not sound like a change I want to see. Do you?
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The original concept is good. It just has to be used the way it was designed.
It just depends on the person using the system. You can use it the way it was meant to be used or you can abuse it.
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Attack mode should be just that....Attack.. Not shooting or dropping on static targets.. Dropping on static targets should be left to the bomber category.. The bomber category should stay the way it is.... For the attack category, they should remove any type of scoring associated with hitting static targets.. The only things that should count are things that can shoot back:
Manned Guns, Planes, GVs, etc.
Auto-ack can shoot back, and it's a more appropriate target for jabos than for strategic bombers.
And not that this is a WWII sim, because it's not (according to HiTech), but when where ships ever bombed from b17's or the like?
They were attacked by high-level bombers all the time (Midway, for example). They just weren't hit very often, except when immobile in port (many ships, the Tirpitz for one, were sunk that way). But if our bombsight is hyper-accurate for land targets, it may as well be hyper-accurate for naval targets as well.
And twin-engine bombers like the B-25 were highly successful at bombing naval targets in low-level approaches. I'd be thrilled to see skip-bombing modeled in AH2. It wasn't often done against anything like a carrier task force, though, because of the ack, but then neither were attacks by lone tordonuts or dive bombers.
As for the existence of fighter and attack scores, counting air targets for attack but not ground targets for fighters, that makes perfect sense given the plane sets and historical roles of these aircraft. They could be used as interceptors, bomber escorts, or jabos, but in the latter role air-to-air combat was always a likely prospect.
I like having the option to have fighter missions when I'm just out looking for a scrap but attack missions when I'm on a base-taking mission.
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The original concept is good. It just has to be used the way it was designed.
It just depends on the person using the system. You can use it the way it was meant to be used or you can abuse it.
I think that is what is being asked pertaining to the latter part of your comment.
How can it be abused?
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Sounds like yet another "Make them play my way" whine, but I will give it a shot . . .
Why have fighter vs. attack only . . .
Because some people like to see how they fair in pure air-to-air combat.
I sometimes use this feature to examine my stats for a single plane while flying a lot of different planes each tour. Put everything else on "attack" and see how I am fairing in that single one. The last time I remember doing that was back in tour 99 when I was flying the 262 extensively
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I sometimes use this feature to examine my stats for a single plane while flying a lot of different planes each tour. Put everything else on "attack" and see how I am fairing in that single one. The last time I remember doing that was back in tour 99 when I was flying the 262 extensively
What does putting everything in attack do for you?
Do you only get scores for attacking a ground target ie objects, GV's?
What is the pros and cons of using either one?
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I think that is what is being asked pertaining to the latter part of your comment.
How can it be abused?
Log on about 2am midweek, find some new guys, club them 10 times in fighter mode, then fly rest of tour in attack mode.
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What does putting everything in attack do for you?
Do you only get scores for attacking a ground target ie objects, GV's?
What is the pros and cons of using either one?
The example I gave was purley stats driven - to see my hit %, K/S etc in a certain plane type.
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Log on about 2am midweek, find some new guys, club them 10 times in fighter mode, then fly rest of tour in attack mode.
:rofl Are you serious? That may explain why most of the top 100 can be easily killed and are so timid... :lol
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It sounds to me that someone is looking at their score and has decided that their over all score is being brought down by the fighter score because they suck in fighters :devil
Each of the scoring charts has their place, and reflect the area they cover well. The problem is with people gaming the system to get the best score and thus "Win". If everyone just played the game the score could actually be used as a pretty good scale. Scores would mean something. Those who spend their time capturing bases would have good attack score as well as bomber score but wouldn't fair so well in fighters...dieing to protect goons and hvy fighters and such. While those who prefer fighting would have good fighters scores but but everything else would be bad.
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The problem is with people gaming the system to get the best score and thus "Win".
Out of all your gibberish, you got one thing right.... :aok
The question is how can you determine it by what your seeing in a pilots score, an obvious sign?
Log on about 2am midweek, find some new guys, club them 10 times in fighter mode, then fly rest of tour in attack mode.
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In honor of mr. 1boner, I thought I would take up a plane and actually use a fighter sortie to try to get one of these marvelously good single-sortie fighter scores people don't like. You know -- just to be a jerk. :t
Saw a flight of B-24s. Oh boy! Lucky day!
One pass, guns blazing, up and over for a second pass . . . and an LA-7 my crappy SA failed to detect shoots off my tail.
Immediately launch to try to find said LA-7 and buff group again -- only to find out the hard way (crappy SA again) that the field was now under vulch.
Temporarily forgetting the whole Fighter/Attack thing and my attempt to "honor" mr. 1boner, I proceed to get smacked several more times trying to defend the base . . .
Teach me to get cheeky!
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Personally, I could care less what happens as I don't really put much thought into score.. K/D maybe just to see how I'm doing.. But actual score is meaningless to me..
Sometimes I find myself in a certain mode for almost a whole tour without ever knowing....
Thats horse squeeze! The first thing you do after getting shot down is go check the guys score that killed you which implies you care very much about it except trying to do something about it.
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Not that it means much, but you have some fairly good "building" kills under "attack" and only 1 actually "killed" anything.
And as far as Bombers are concerned, what else would you suggest they score on?
Bombers can be "gamey' but not fractionally as much as the fighter/attack mode can be misused.
I'm not tryin to cut you down, but now having that knowledge makes your statement fall kinda flat.
But I still kinda agree with your initial statement none the less as far as the attack mode and buildings are concerned. :salute
So again i will ask, If you can kill both ground and air in attack mode, why have a fighter mode?
Since attack scores hits on buildings and fighters do not there are two categories and that has to be the primary reason.
My take on 'gamey' is that everyone in the arena is 'gamey' or they are sitting in the tower pondering what went wrong the last sortie.
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That's horse squeeze! The first thing you do after getting shot down is go check the guys score that killed you which implies you care very much about it except trying to do something about it.
May I interject here,
I too do not and may I dare say many others do not care about score much less anyone elses, but since the game is based upon score/rank it merits a better understanding of how it works and how it is being taken advantage of so that everyone is aware and may clear up some misunderstanding.
For example and as I stated before, you would expect that IF someone is ranked higher than you that they would be better than you and have more skill/ACM, however I have seen many instances of that not being completely and sometimes remotely true. Why?
Is it because they DONT have that skill and are manipulating or gaming their score for the rank only? Most likely.
So what is the big secret? Are more doing it than will admit? Will it explain the timidness of many?
They may not consider what they are doing gamey, but others may and it raises many more questions than answers.
Anyone can PM me if your not comfortable discussing it out in the open because this obviously is a touchy subject, I just want to know can it be manipulated and how? Not one aces high nuclear and plutonium member team guy got a chart on that? No fancy display? Cant dig something out about that topic and "the lameness" behind it?
Does it explain that you really don't see many of these top guns around nearly as often as everyone else? Is it because they are out working their scores vice actually shooting someone down? I don't know, but you just don't see these elite ones around very often at best.
The community screams and cries about fairness and better gameplay, I am one that will throw the chips down and let them fall as they may, however I see that many don't and will use any flaw in this game to an advantage and if it is known, nothing is being done about it other than hiding it which leads to it either being accepted or ignored.
IMO
What does putting everything in attack do for you?
Do you only get scores for attacking a ground target ie objects, GV's?
What is the pros and cons of using either one?
I raised these questions two days ago, is there anyone NOT padding their score remaining in this game that is knowledgeable enough from the snoopy team to answer them?
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No offence, but your posts are some of the hardest to understand... maybe you need a couple more coffees before posting :D
May I interject here,
I too do not and may I dare say many others do not care about score much less anyone elses, but since the game is based upon score/rank it merits a better understanding of how it works and how it is being taken advantage of so that everyone is aware and may clear up some misunderstanding.
For example and as I stated before, you would expect that IF someone is ranked higher than you that they would be better than you and have more skill/ACM, however I have seen many instances of that not being completely and sometimes remotely true. Why?
Because this game has a high learning curve and most new players can't handle it so they go for the easier road, score board manipulation.
Is it because they DONT have that skill and are manipulating or gaming their score for the rank only? Most likely.
Definitely ! Its too hard to become a good fighter jock, takes too long to bomb and return, its hard to find GV's unless you see them spawn.
So what is the big secret? Are more doing it than will admit? Will it explain the timidness of many?
There is no secret, do a search on the boards and you will find many ways to game the scoreboard. I would say 50% of the players are doing it on purpose, and another 20% do it just to look respectable on the scoreboards. The other 30% couldn't care less about the scores. I think most of the "timidness" you see is due to lack of skill. I think most people who get a con on their tail have no idea what to do other than run or die. Their skill is the cherry pick or the shoot over someones shoulder in the gang maneuver, and thats about it for their "bag of tricks". If they get caught with a con on there tail they KNOW they are dead unless a friendly comes and "picks" them off, another reason they stay in their horde.
They may not consider what they are doing gamey, but others may and it raises many more questions than answers.
Anyone can PM me if your not comfortable discussing it out in the open because this obviously is a touchy subject, I just want to know can it be manipulated and how? Not one aces high nuclear and plutonium member team guy got a chart on that? No fancy display? Cant dig something out about that topic and "the lameness" behind it?
Does it explain that you really don't see many of these top guns around nearly as often as everyone else? Is it because they are out working their scores vice actually shooting someone down? I don't know, but you just don't see these elite ones around very often at best.
The community screams and cries about fairness and better gameplay, I am one that will throw the chips down and let them fall as they may, however I see that many don't and will use any flaw in this game to an advantage and if it is known, nothing is being done about it other than hiding it which leads to it either being accepted or ignored.
IMO
I raised these questions two days ago, is there anyone NOT padding their score remaining in this game that is knowledgeable enough from the snoopy team to answer them?
Here are 3 players scores, 2 who couldn't care less about score and 1 who does.
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii253/maddogjoe_photos/fighter.jpg)
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii253/maddogjoe_photos/dontcare.jpg)
(http://i266.photobucket.com/albums/ii253/maddogjoe_photos/points.jpg)
Like I said in an earlier post, if people just played the game you could see what type of player they are by their score. The scoreboard could be used as a true measuring stick. The first two pictures are players who in my opinion don't care much about their score. In saying that I mean they are NOT gaming the scoreboard. They just play the game and let the scores fall where they may.
The first is a fighter jock. He has a good k/d, and a good k/s. He fly's an average number of hours a month, and spends only a small percentage of time in other roles than he fighter.
The second is a "team player". He does what ever it takes to help his team, Again an average time in the game a month, but his time is spread out a bit more. His fighter time is most likely defense, and his attack is offense. His bomber time is more likely goon runs than buffs, and he is a target to flush out GVs for his mates ;)
The third guy is after score. His time in game is way above normal, but its how its split that gives you pause. Fighter score is pretty good, but then you compare his time in the fighter with the time in attack, it looks like he's trying to save that score. Hes a pretty good spawn camper....whats that about 1 kill every 2 minutes?
Scores are easy to tweak, and many people do it because they can't earn them how they were "meant" to be earned. Of the top 25 people overall on the scoreboard I'd say only a half dozen are any good. Even I could beat most of the rest and I suck! Squads today teach new players how to tweak the scores in stead of how to do a split S or a high yo-yo. I'm not going to list the ways to tweak your score. Why make it any easier?
I believe that HTC could change the scoring to create better gameplay. Make it so that if your trying to pad your bombing score the only way to do it is to hit targets ABOVE a certain altitude. Make it so you MUST RTB. If you do the Lancstuka move you get 1% of points, you hit the same target from above 5k and RTB you get 100%. Make it worth it to do it the way it was intended. Make it so people would have to learn to do it the way it was intended. Changing these buff points like this would,
- Make better buff pilots
- buff pilots would learn to shot to defend themselves
- fighter pilots would cover buffs
- fighters would fight buffs and cover more creating more fights
- attacks would have more in the way of "plans" instead of just brute force
While changing score won't change the play of ALL players it would change the play of the MAJORITY of players and I think bring back better game play.
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Quote from: Dadsguns on March 26, 2009, 12:41:52 PM
What does putting everything in attack do for you?
Do you only get scores for attacking a ground target ie objects, GV's?
What is the pros and cons of using either one?
I raised these questions two days ago, is there anyone NOT padding their score remaining in this game that is knowledgeable enough from the snoopy team to answer them?
I thought I had answered these to an extent.
The complaint is that someone will "get ahead" in some nefarious way in their fighter rank, and then "sit on their lead" in that category by switching everything to attack mode. Then when the BBS or in-game size comparisons start, the lamer-gamer whips out his #6 fighter rank as "proof" he is an AH god -- and that just urks people.
Apparently.
Meanwhile, there are enough people that play the ground game, generally using attack type, that the scores here easily even out. And if someone "calls" you on your low attack rank, you have the built-in excuse of "oh, I do a lot of porking missions" or whatnot. On the other hand, someone who has a better attack rank than you can be easily dismissed as a lame toolshedder and not a true "fighter pile-it."
At least, that is my take on it -- it is entirely ego-driven. Or at least the complaint about it not being fair, anyway.
Too many people worried about how other people play the game instead of simply enjoying it for themselves.
I still may be off on what you are really asking -- if you really don't understand the scoring system, or really want to know some of the ways to "game the game" to improve your own rank, there are help files and other threads that can probably answer those questions better than I, but I would be happy to respond to a PM with what little knowledge I have.
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alright Fugitive
dissect my score, should be nice and easy.
Late War Tour 110 Statistics for INK
Fighter Bomber Attack Veh./Boat Total
Kills 254 0 3 0 257
Assists 43 0 0 0 43
Sorties 225 0 3 0 228
Landed 45 0 0 0 45
Bailed 30 0 0 0 30
Ditched 4 0 0 0 4
Captured 30 0 0 0 30
Deaths 114 0 3 0 117
Discos 2 0 0 0 2
Time hh:mm:ss 40:06:08 00:00:00 00:26:26 00:00:00 40:32:34
Rank 564 4737 2618 4876 3411
Score Rank
Kills per Death + 1 1.44 900
Kills per Sortie 1.13 611
Kills per Hour of Flight 6.34 577
Kills Hit Percentage 4.93 1564
Kill Points 16346.96 564
Late War Tour 110 Statistics for INK
Kills Deaths
Model Kills In,Kills Of,,Killed By,Died In
A-20G 0 2 0 0
A6M2 0 3 0 2
A6M5b 0 10 5 0
Ar 234 0 1 0 0
B-17G 0 1 3 0
B-24J 0 4 1 0
Bf 109F-4 3 3 2 3
Bf 109G-14 5 5 3 3
Bf 109G-2 0 1 0 0
Bf 109G-6 5 0 1 7
Bf 109K-4 3 4 2 2
Bf 110C-4b 0 1 0 0
Boston III 0 1 0 0
C-47A 0 4 0 0
C.202 2 0 0 2
C.205 2 2 1 1
Chute 1 0 0 0
F4U-1 0 1 1 0
F4U-1A 3 11 3 3
F4U-1C 13 3 0 5
F4U-1D 0 12 5 0
F4U-4 4 0 0 1
F6F-5 0 2 4 0
FM2 0 2 0 0
Fw 190A-5 0 1 3 0
Fw 190A-8 11 8 3 2
Fw 190D-9 0 7 4 0
Fw 190F-8 0 2 0 0
Gunner 1 0 0 0
Hurri Mk IIC 54 5 4 38
Hurri Mk IID 0 1 0 0
Il-2 0 0 1 0
Ju 88 0 1 0 0
Ki-61 18 2 0 10
Ki-67 0 2 0 0
Ki-84-Ia 0 6 3 0
La-5FN 2 2 0 1
La-7 15 7 3 16
Lancaster III 0 2 1 0
M-3 0 1 1 0
Me 262 0 0 1 1
Mosq Mk VI 3 1 0 3
N1K2 49 16 7 25
Ostwind 0 0 1 0
P-38G 0 2 0 0
P-38J 0 4 1 0
P-38L 3 3 1 1
P-40B 0 0 1 1
P-40E 0 0 0 1
P-47-D11 0 1 0 0
P-47-D25 1 1 0 1
P-47-D40 0 6 1 0
P-47N 0 2 1 0
P-51B 3 2 1 0
P-51D 17 28 22 17
Panzer IV H 0 0 1 0
PT Boat 0 4 1 0
SeaFire 0 3 3 0
Ship Gunner 0 0 1 0
Spitfire Mk IX 0 7 9 0
Spitfire Mk V 0 5 2 0
Spitfire Mk VIII 0 12 11 0
Spitfire Mk XIV 0 1 1 0
Spitfire Mk XVI 13 30 21 2
Ta 152H 1 0 0 3
Tempest 28 1 4 3
Typhoon IB 3 8 6 0
Wirbelwind 0 1 2 0
Yak-9T 0 1 0 0
Yak-9U 0 4 3 2
263 Kills 156 Deaths
so what do you get from that?
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I'd like to see another catagory added. The torpedo mode. PTs may mess it up not sure if they could be excluded, but an aerial torpedo score would be nice to add to the mix. While we're at it, make rocket kills a separate form of scoring as well.
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Oh my... look at all them numbers.
(http://i626.photobucket.com/albums/tt345/barbariankitty/image015.jpg)
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Just another way to gauge yourself, never look at stats as the be all end all of reality though.
Those that say stats don't matter are correct and wrong at the same time. They mean some things completely different to different people.
For me, I have goals - so many kills in a certain plane before I switch planes unless I have to use that other plane for a more specific task.
It helps me gauge myself too. I noticed that I wasn't doing well in attack mode. Well, this made me focus on my intended target. Fly lonewolf or with my bro 99% of the time will do that, but often the goal is common. Stop the hoard or bring down the enemy. Usually when you think about it, it is cut and dry. So if you are attacking, get to your target or abort the mission, don't try to fight on the way there. The stats helped me with this (a little)
Bombing - I learned that my hit ratio wasn't so hot. I like to carpet bomb at times, esp with a bomber group. So yea I'm not going to have the best stats there. But when I want to, I'm pretty precise. And I REALLY kick but in the b26 gunner slots. So I don't even look at that.
I like to checkout my fighter ranks too. If I am over 1.5 then I know I'm doing ok, if not then I know that whatever it is I'm doing isn't working. IE: trying to fly the p51 too much low and slow.
I'm a stats pig. I love stats. I played a game called Asherons Call for years just to pump my stats. I was addicted to getting that one stat a little higher so I could do certain tasks easier - so I could pump more stats. :)
This game is dif though. The only gauge on your ability is the stats when you gauge them vs yourself - NOT OTHERS.
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1) What does putting everything in attack do for you?
2) Do you only get scores for attacking a ground target ie objects, GV's?
3) What is the pros and cons of using either one?
1) Nothing really unless you are willing to do a lot of tower sitting from what I can see. The obvious primary goal would be to preserve a high kill per sortie count and hit percentage while also using very little time in fighter mode. I think the number one guy is probably using a chog from a CV to vultch a field after he has his roadies shoot the ack down. This is why you see him landing kills in that airplane. I know because I tried to dive on him one day and had HO after HO by other people in an attempt to protect him while he ran to the CV.
2) If you look attack is broken down in air stats and ground stats so each is calculated seperately except for gunnery which is always a hit or miss count. It looks like attack is used by the semi-honest scorers to down lone aircraft while defending airfields while if they were true scorers they would just announce a con over the airfield and remain in the tower because they dont want to mess up their score. I believe the number one guy uses attack mode to bomb and strafe tanks while avoiding the flaks and all the while having his roadies protect him from the air. I know because I tried to get at him at A1 on Trinity one day only to have HO after HO attempt by typhoons and 190s and Nikis while he ran to ten flaks.
3) See above.
The funny thing is when you go about it more 'honestly' (whatever you consider that to be) you have more fun but someone obviously thinks having his name posted every month is better then having fun.
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alright Fugitive
dissect my score, should be nice and easy.
I don't know what you want me to say. In my opinion your a fighter guy. Offense, defense it doesn't matter, nor does score. Your out having fun.
Just another way to gauge yourself, never look at stats as the be all end all of reality though. <snipped for space>
The way the scoring is set up now this is about all it good for, gauging your own progress. YOU know if your fudging the score, so you know what your numbers mean. Comparing your scores to someone elses is a waste of time, unless you know that person.
In the pictures I posted, I wouldn't have any trouble gauging myself against either of the first two pictures. I KNOW those guys fly strait up and aren't into tweaking their game to make their score look better. But I'm one of those guys that have been around forever, I know whos who, the new guys don't. I'm sure many are in the same boat of striving to be like their "hero. Unfortunately in most cases their hero is just some clown tweaking his score.
Everyone needs some kind of score system. To some guys like INK and Corky Jr they only score they seem to need is to have fun and the occasional kill. Others need ranking, and others need to be at the top of the heap no matter what. Thats why HTC will never get rid of scores, too many people base their gameplay off of it, its the only "goal" they have. Thats the main reason I think it could be tweaked to adjust gameplay in the arenas. Its the "carrot" I would use to lead a majority of the players with.
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I don't know what you want me to say. In my opinion your a fighter guy. Offense, defense it doesn't matter, nor does score. Your out having fun...
:D
nail on the Head :aok
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1) Nothing really unless you are willing to do a lot of tower sitting from what I can see. The obvious primary goal would be to preserve a high kill per sortie count and hit percentage while also using very little time in fighter mode. I think the number one guy is probably using a chog from a CV to vultch a field after he has his roadies shoot the ack down. This is why you see him landing kills in that airplane. I know because I tried to dive on him one day and had HO after HO by other people in an attempt to protect him while he ran to the CV.
2) If you look attack is broken down in air stats and ground stats so each is calculated seperately except for gunnery which is always a hit or miss count. It looks like attack is used by the semi-honest scorers to down lone aircraft while defending airfields while if they were true scorers they would just announce a con over the airfield and remain in the tower because they dont want to mess up their score. I believe the number one guy uses attack mode to bomb and strafe tanks while avoiding the flaks and all the while having his roadies protect him from the air. I know because I tried to get at him at A1 on Trinity one day only to have HO after HO attempt by typhoons and 190s and Nikis while he ran to ten flaks.
3) See above.
The funny thing is when you go about it more 'honestly' (whatever you consider that to be) you have more fun but someone obviously thinks having his name posted every month is better then having fun.
Who is this #1 score, chog pilot you speak of? :D
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How about we have a score based only on how many times you can auger in a month.
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Thanks Fugitive. I do like your idea of correcting the rank system and points awarded by landing vice bailing, but that's just the start to correct the loopholes or cracks that someone will take advantage of. :aok
Let me assure you that my questions are not coming from me comparing my scores to anyone elses, I don't even pay attention to mine, if I get shot down, I dint look to see if it changes anything, I make sure I dont make that mistake again.
I dont even know who is the top 100 or even the top 1000. From time to time I happen to see mine because I use the clipboard roster to see who is on, not to see scores.
I dont know how to manipulate this game and have no desire to do such a thing, however I am interested in knowing how THEY do it for another devious reason, because maybe I can change my play to affect their play.
For example, recently I shot down this particular player bombing cities, factories, etc etc. completely away from any threats, I had no idea what this guys intent was and gave chase, shot him down and joked him with the squad for doing it, conversation came up that this guy was ranked high and probably was padding his score and that I may have pissed him off since I shot him down. From that moment on I went looking for just that and found plenty of guys doing it, I would come in low and pop up while they were busy killing boxes and the chase would be on. :lol I dont see it as often and maybe its because they know its not as easy when someone may be watching for it.
Your absolutely right that many are doing some gamey stuff and its evident in their scores, even if they rank high.
By no means do I worship anyones score or by default respect them, its good to know that many players do play with at least some ethics and sportsmanship, each person that has responded here as far as I can see is not gaming this game as we have pointed out and I surely did not expect one of the score bandits to admit to everyone here on HOW they do it.
-- ,,,, or really want to know some of the ways to "game the game" ,,,, but I would be happy to respond to a PM with what little knowledge I have.
I would be happy to know some of the ways to game the game as for reasons stated above. Thanks for everyones insight, I think if everyone has an idea of what to look for it would be easier to determine who the posers are and who are more deserving.
:salute
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How about we have a score based only on how many times you can auger in a month.
Would my plane have to hit the ground intact to score? :rofl
When I'm feeling gamey, I'll try to take an undefended base! :aok
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Cause we needed something reserved for pacerr and SHawk and all of "The Few". Oh and sakae.
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I'm just waiting for being accused of flying in fighter mode most of the time to protect my attack rank...
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I'm just waiting for being accused of flying in fighter mode most of the time to protect my attack rank...
:rofl
hey that's what i do :D
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Me to. My Attack rank is 19 right now.
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I dont even know who is the top 100 or even the top 1000.
That may explain why most of the top 100 can be easily killed and are so timid.
You are quite full of pomposity and disengenuousness. In one post you don't know who they are, in a previous post you call most of them timid. It is easy to see what you are.
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To the original question
Item 1.
We used to have it in one catagory. But hit % gets realy messed up, I.E. you could pad your fighter hit % by just shooting buildings. To fix that problem we made 2 catagoryies for those who do both, and those who just do air to air.
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1) Nothing really unless you are willing to do a lot of tower sitting from what I can see. The obvious primary goal would be to preserve a high kill per sortie count and hit percentage while also using very little time in fighter mode. I think the number one guy is probably using a chog from a CV to vultch a field after he has his roadies shoot the ack down. This is why you see him landing kills in that airplane. I know because I tried to dive on him one day and had HO after HO by other people in an attempt to protect him while he ran to the CV.
2) If you look attack is broken down in air stats and ground stats so each is calculated seperately except for gunnery which is always a hit or miss count. It looks like attack is used by the semi-honest scorers to down lone aircraft while defending airfields while if they were true scorers they would just announce a con over the airfield and remain in the tower because they dont want to mess up their score. I believe the number one guy uses attack mode to bomb and strafe tanks while avoiding the flaks and all the while having his roadies protect him from the air. I know because I tried to get at him at A1 on Trinity one day only to have HO after HO attempt by typhoons and 190s and Nikis while he ran to ten flaks.
3) See above.
The funny thing is when you go about it more 'honestly' (whatever you consider that to be) you have more fun but someone obviously thinks having his name posted every month is better then having fun.
Good post :aok
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You are quite full of pomposity and disengenuousness. In one post you don't know who they are, in a previous post you call most of them timid. It is easy to see what you are.
Not really Steve. I haven't been able to dredge up the desire to play for the past couple weeks, but just for fun I took to filming my sorties (the auto film feature really is a wonderful idea) and checking the names & scores of people who really impressed me as being awful.
No real difference between a rank newb and several highly ranked "aces" in flying style or shooting ability - at least not against a plane that is airborne I suppose.
In fact, several times I was very surprised to find that one of several people making ineffectual bore n zoom passes were ranked in the top 50 for fighters. That game has just fallen that far.
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I use fighter about 80% of the time. I don't fly any different than I do in attack, I just use fighter to tell me how I'm doing. I use Attack when I'm upping from a capped base or something, because I don't carry ord, I don't have much use for Attack mode...so like I said I use it when i'm expecting to get vultched or picked on takeoff as to not "contaminate" (couldn't think of a good word) My actual fighter statistics...because I do like to watch my hit % and K/D to see how i'm doing.
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Not really Steve. I haven't been able to dredge up the desire to play for the past couple weeks, but just for fun I took to filming my sorties (the auto film feature really is a wonderful idea) and checking the names & scores of people who really impressed me as being awful.
No real difference between a rank newb and several highly ranked "aces" in flying style or shooting ability - at least not against a plane that is airborne I suppose.
In fact, several times I was very surprised to find that one of several people making ineffectual bore n zoom passes were ranked in the top 50 for fighters. That game has just fallen that far.
:aok Exactly.
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Not really Steve.
Dude, I was talking to dadsguns. He's a numpty.
In one sentence he says the top 100 guys are timid, in the next he says he doesn't know who the top 100 guys are.
I wasn't commenting on the skill of the top 100 guys one way or the other.
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Steve, are you so juvenile to think that I care what YOU think...... you can piece meal anything you want, good luck. :lol
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Steve, are you so juvenile to think that I care what YOU think...... you can piece meal anything you want, good luck. :lol
I didn't piecemeal anything. Those are exact quotes from you in this thread. I never gave pause, and still haven't, to consider whether you care about anything.
All I know is you belittle people to cover your own misgivings about your ability in the game. Who's the juvenile?
I'll never rank in the top 100 or even 1000, but of them, I'll bet most all of them would spank you silly. You've called them timid. I say they'd eat you up.
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Take Fighter Category and split up ranks in groups as
Rank:
1-25
26-100
101-500
501-2000
2001-4000
There is a higher percentage of good pilots in each respective category as you go closer to the top. So let me assign some random percentages for how many good sticks are in each group.
1-25 30%
26-100 20%
101-500 10%
501-2000 5%
2001-4000 <1%
Arbitrary percentages of course but it illustrates my point. There are great pilots in every group but more and more bad pilots as rank goes down.
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I didn't piecemeal anything. Those are exact quotes from you in this thread. I never gave pause, and still haven't, to consider whether you care about anything.
All I know is you belittle people to cover your own misgivings about your ability in the game. Who's the juvenile?
I'll never rank in the top 100 or even 1000, but of them, I'll bet most all of them would spank you silly. You've called them timid. I say they'd eat you up.
Steve, yes you did piecemeal a comment and tried to make it appear a contradiction. Wrong.
You stated that I belittled people, who?
If most would spank me silly, then we wouldn't be having this conversation then would we. :lol
There is a higher percentage of good pilots in each respective category as you go closer to the top. So let me assign some random percentages for how many good sticks are in each group.
1-25 30%
26-100 20%
101-500 10%
501-2000 5%
2001-4000 <1%
Arbitrary percentages of course but it illustrates my point. There are great pilots in every group but more and more bad pilots as rank goes down.
Your probably close to being correct. It would be interesting to see how accurate you are. On second thoght, I bet it would look more like a hump scale, higher percentage towards the middle group and tapering at each end, where that middle ground is I would not know.
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tried to make it appear a contradiction.
Well clear it up for me. How are the following two complete sentences not a contradiction?
I dont even know who is the top 100 or even the top 1000.
That may explain why most of the top 100 can be easily killed and are so timid.
They are quoted verbatim. If you don't know who the top 100 are, how could you know they are easy to kill and timid? Clear this up for me.
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Well clear it up for me. How are the following two complete sentences not a contradiction?
They are quoted verbatim. If you don't know who the top 100 are, how could you know they are easy to kill and timid? Clear this up for me.
Let me sum this up for you as quickly as I can, I know we are only as fast as the slowest sailor here but your holding this discussion up......
One word for you,,,, Context.
"I don't even know who is the top 100 or even the top 1000."
The top 100 will change daily, believe me I have no reason or will to follow that change. The ones that I do run into after shooting them down, or chasing them for so long, or get shot down by their buds or them running through ack, or any other means of escape, yes I will look at who they are and usually that will be the only time I see their overall rank in the roster.
For most you rarely find them alone, unless inside a horde, but when you catch them alone on them rare occasions, some will give you a great fight, most will not and they usually are no match, maybe because they cant fight alone, or they are used to having someone clear their six each time they get someone on them. who knows.
"That may explain why most of the top 100 can be easily killed and are so timid."
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Let me sum this up for you as quickly as I can, I know we are only as fast as the slowest sailor here but your holding this discussion up......
One word for you,,,, Context.
"I don't even know who is the top 100 or even the top 1000."
The top 100 will change daily,
"That may explain why most of the top 100 can be easily killed and are so timid."
Wow. If you can't see the huge contradiction here, I cannot help you.
How about this contradiction:
The top 100 guys overall... not even top fighter ranks, the top guys overall average about 8 kills per hour. This is about double what you get per hour. So how is it that these timid and unskilled pilots get twice as many kills per hour as you? I mean you have made it clear you are better than them. You said most of them are easy kills so this means you are better. If you are better and more aggressive(they are timid and easy to kill) how is it they kill at twice the rate you do, O brave and skilled warrior of the cartoon skies? Please share your wisdom with this humber pile-it.
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Wow. If you can't see the huge contradiction here, I cannot help you.
How about this contradiction:
The top 100 guys overall... not even top fighter ranks, the top guys overall average about 8 kills per hour. This is about double what you get per hour. So how is it that these timid and unskilled pilots get twice as many kills per hour as you? I mean you have made it clear you are better than them. You said most of them are easy kills so this means you are better. If you are better and more aggressive(they are timid and easy to kill) how is it they kill at twice the rate you do, O brave and skilled warrior of the cartoon skies? Please share your wisdom with this humber pile-it.
:rofl
Thats part of this discussion, they dont fly bombers, dont do GV's, dont goon, etc. Hence 8 kills hour, most hide in a horde. And yes, most including YOU, are easy kills as what we are saying here.
I am not stuck on fighter PILE-IT alone. But sure can be there when needed. Now if I am shooting some of these guys down, I know they aint no good.... :D
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:rofl
Thats part of this discussion, they dont fly bombers, dont do GV's, dont goon, etc. Hence 8 kills hour, most hide in a horde.
GV'ing, flying buffs & goons has no influence on your kills/hour in fighters. ;)
And btw, you can't get top 100 overall if you don't do those things...
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:rofl
Thats part of this discussion, they dont fly bombers, dont do GV's, dont goon, etc. Hence 8 kills hour, most hide in a horde. And yes, most including YOU, are easy kills as what we are saying here.
I am not stuck on fighter PILE-IT alone. But sure can be there when needed. Now if I am shooting some of these guys down, I know they aint no good.... :D
Uhh the kills per hour I was referring to is for your fighter mode only. This makes no consideration for gv's bombers or goons, just fighters.
And who is this "WE" you are suddenly referring to? You are saying I'm an easy kill... I'm not anywhere near the top 100 so I'm not part of the equation. I'm ranked a lowly 2000+.
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It's not the first time Dadsguns refused to admit plain evidence. He did the same thing when people told him the collision model was fair because it gave you what you saw, as opposed to imposing on you what the other guy saw. "What you see is what you get" wasn't plain enough a gist for him.
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Its simple. I dont hide in a horde for kills. Nothing contradicting there.
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8 kills per hour is easy if you don't mind being shot down.
Feb stats
Kills per Death + 1 1.70 705
Kills per Sortie 1.24 497
Kills per Hour of Flight 8.53 225
Kills Hit Percentage 10.20 203
Kill Points 6476.93 1520
funny part was I landed in the mid 300 rank range.... those are some crummy stats.
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Its simple. I dont hide in a horde for kills. Nothing contradicting there.
no... it's so you dont get killed. safety in numbers.
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no... it's so you dont get killed. safety in numbers.
Exactley, when you get them alone, they usually are no good.
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Its simple. I dont hide in a horde for kills. Nothing contradicting there.
Now, who is this "We" you are referring to. Your squad?
Flying in a horde will REDUCE your kills per hour dads, because you have less targets per pile-it at which to shoot, so that argument won't work for you. In fact, it works against you.
So, explain to me how you are so aggressive and better than the top 100 pile-its but you get about half as many kills per hour as they do?
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Exactley, when you get them alone, they usually are no good.
Maybe you should start naming names of pilots that are in the top 20 that are no good and setting up duels with them. :aok
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Exactley, when you get them alone, they usually are no good.
Right that's why you stated "I dont hide in a horde for kills"... but you do hide in the horde. :aok
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It's not the first time Dadsguns refused to admit plain evidence. He did the same thing when people told him the collision model was fair because it gave you what you saw, as opposed to imposing on you what the other guy saw. "What you see is what you get" wasn't plain enough a gist for him.
Cmon moot, it was far deeper than that, the issues that were identified with the collision model is what it is because they cant do any better, its has its flawes.
We have to settle for what we see is what we get because they cant get it any better, and not that its the best or ideal.
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Exactley, when you get them alone, they usually are no good.
LOL like asking them to the dueling arena alone ? BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH
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Right that's why you stated "I dont hide in a horde for kills"... but you do hide in the horde. :aok
:rofl take it to your grave....
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Cmon moot, it was far deeper than that, the issues that were identified with the collision model is what it is because they cant do any better, its has its flawes.
We have to settle for what we see is what we get because they cant get it any better, and not that its the best or ideal.
Right.... just cant grasp don't fly into the other guy can you?
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LOL like asking them to the dueling arena alone ? BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH
Because I dont like you for one...... I then I offered you join us for a week, then I would take you up on it,,,, but BWAWHHAHAHAHHAHA No show.
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Right.... just cant grasp don't fly into the other guy can you?
For the most part it's this simple but sometimes I blame myself for collisions even if only my opponent saw it, or vice versa.
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DA is not a fair fight.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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For the most part it's this simple but sometimes I blame myself for collisions even if only my opponent saw it, or vice versa.
Been covered before....you can't control what the other guy is doing.
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Dads, I know that you can beat me, thats why I was wont come join you for the week. Maybe if I can use my shade account, would you guys mind? You dont mind if I call you Big Daddy do you?
:rofl :rofl
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:rofl :rofl
Won't be answering me huh? I didn't think you'd come up with a reasonable response.
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Won't be answering me huh? I didn't think you'd come up with a reasonable response.
Ask him to the da..that'll shut him up quick. :rofl
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:rofl :rofl
That an invite to the da chump... lemme get my gear out. Haven't flown in a few weeks but am sure i'll slap you around easily. :aok
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:rofl Too funny,
Steve, All I can tell you is what I have seen, you can tell who is padding scores and who really cant fight without being in a horde. 8, 10 20 kills an hour does not constitute a good pilot or GV'r, just a gamer who has found ways around the scoring system and does not show true display of skill. Are there some good pilots, yes. Have they earned the hard way, yes. Are there ways to game and pad the score, yes. Are the scores reflecting scores / skill level properly, I would argue not.
Those of them that pad their scores are the ones in this discussion, and how were they doing it also.
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Just duel them then...pretty simple
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:rofl Too funny,
Steve, All I can tell you is what I have seen, you can tell who is padding scores and who really cant fight without being in a horde.
Well if you spend some time with them sure.
I didn't argue that. I asked how the top 100 people in the MA AVERAGE twice the kills per hour as you do. You claim they are timid, and that you are better than most of them. Frankly, this just doesn't add up.
Another thing, it seems you implied that I hide in the horde. Did you mean this?
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I didn't argue that. I asked how the top 100 people in the MA AVERAGE twice the kills per hour as you do. You claim they are timid, and that you are better than most of them. Frankly, this just doesn't add up.
Another thing, it seems you implied that I hide in the horde. Did you mean this?
As far as your first sentence goes, trust me, all you have to do is pay attention to who your fighting with in the MA. It doesnt add up because just what has been pointed out the way its scored and how you get it being gamey maybe? Who knows but it surely doesnt reflect the actual skill levels you are up against when you fight them.
The second sentence, No, I have no idea where you hide or fly, if in a horde or not. Do you go by the name Steve in the game? Aw, I see your sig.
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yawn check his siggy
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Do you go by the name Steve in the game? Aw, I see your sig.
Well you must know. You have already said I'm an easy kill.
And yes, most including YOU, are easy kills
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Well you must know. You have already said I'm an easy kill.
I do, I used your logic: Does it suit you, or is the score system askew?
The top 100 guys overall... not even top fighter ranks, the top guys overall average about 8 kills per hour. This is about double what you get per hour. So how is it that these timid and unskilled pilots get twice as many kills per hour as you? I mean you have made it clear you are better than them. You said most of them are easy kills so this means you are better. If you are better and more aggressive(they are timid and easy to kill) how is it they kill at twice the rate you do, O brave and skilled warrior of the cartoon skies? Please share your wisdom with this humber pile-it.
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I do, I used your logic: Does it suit you, or is the score system askew?
The top 100 guys overall... not even top fighter ranks, the top guys overall average about 8 kills per hour. This is about double what you get per hour. So how is it that these timid and unskilled pilots get twice as many kills per hour as you? I mean you have made it clear you are better than them. You said most of them are easy kills so this means you are better. If you are better and more aggressive(they are timid and easy to kill) how is it they kill at twice the rate you do, O brave and skilled warrior of the cartoon skies? Please share your wisdom with this humber pile-it.
What logic was that? I didn't say the guys in the top 100 are easy kills, you did. but that doesn't matter, I'm not anywhere near the top 100 guys.
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What logic was that? I didn't say the guys in the top 100 are easy kills, you did. but that doesn't matter, I'm not anywhere near the top 100 guys.
I think the last time I checked I was around 3-400 overall. If you are more or less than that, does that make me better than you since you have a lower score than me or you better than me because your score may be better than mine? No. it doesn't. Score is meaningless if it can be gamed. How many are doing it? Don't exactly know, but the ones that supposedly have a better score than me does not necessarily mean they have more skill than me and are able to beat me, and usually you will not find them alone vulnerable, exposed, when you do on the occasion, you can usually beat them fairly easy.
I have had some very good fights with people ranked as much lower and probably have far more skill than the most elite. Their scores do not match their ability either.
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What logic was that? I didn't say the guys in the top 100 are easy kills, you did. but that doesn't matter, I'm not anywhere near the top 100 guys.
[hijack] Steve check your PMs [/hijack]
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I think the last time I checked I was around 3-400 overall. If you are more or less than that, does that make me better than you since you have a lower score than me or you better than me because your score may be better than mine?
This has nothing to do with the question. You claimed I am an easy kill. I'm curious how you came to that conclusion.
It's becoming clear you can't answer your own claims beyond they are wildly unfounded in anything other than random stabs at debate.
What I mean is, you claim that most of the top 100 are timid and easy kills yet you can offer no explanation, no logic as to how you came to this conclusion. Furthermore, you went on to say you don't even know who the top 100 are.
Finally, you went on to say I'm an easy kill, although I had nothing to do with the debate as I'm nowhere near the top 100. When asked about this, and how you arrived at this conclusion, you ignored the question.
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This has nothing to do with the question. You claimed I am an easy kill. I'm curious how you came to that conclusion.
It's becoming clear you can't answer your own claims beyond they are wildly unfounded in anything other than random stabs at debate.
Are you serious? We certainly have a communication break somehwere.
Its becoming clear you need a do over, maybe start to read everything from the start of this post and how you interjected and to where your own questions have you now, I cant help you comprehend a thought process, but I can elect to dismiss your ignorance. :salute
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Are you serious? We certainly have a communication break somehwere.
Its becoming clear you need a do over, maybe start to read everything from the start of this post and how you interjected and to where your own questions have you now, I cant help you comprehend a thought process, but I can elect to dismiss your ignorance. :salute
Do you have discussions in real life like this? Where you absolutely refuse to answer questions?
I can't make it any simpler At least answer one question, since you refuse to answer the one about kills per hour : How did you arrive at the conclusion that I am an easy kill? It's not a trick question. It's not a hard question. answer it.
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I have fought Steve he is not an easy kill, as a matter of fact he is down right hard to kill, he is very capable and knows how to use his E perfectly, on top of that he is a great shot, and that is the most important aspect of air combat.
if I remember correctly I have also fought you dadsguns, you also gave me great fights, but to say who is better between you and steve would be imposable even if you guys fought, some days your on some days off, we all have them, I have seen circumstances when, stick A can kill stick B , stick B can kill stick C, but stick A cannot kill stick C.
anybody who is anybody in this game knows "rank" and "score" don't mean crap except when compared to your own stats, and used as a tool for yourself to judge progress, but if you are straight up "gaming the Game" IE only vulching at capped fields, spawn camping, and the many other sorted ways to game the game, then score truly don't mean crap.
I have fought some of the highest ranked players on numerous occasions and whipped them easy, but maybe they were having a bad day? or maybe I was just "on"?
point is " there is no best, there is no #1 guy", that's not why we play this game At least for me anyway, its about having fun, but at the same time I am competitive and want to become the best that I can, and ya I guess I like the idea of the nme cons, upon hearing "INK" they know they are in for a serious fight, and better be on there A game or have back up.
my $.02
<S> steve and Dadsguns just go have fun forget about this drama.
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LOL like asking them to the dueling arena alone ? BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH
I've been waiting for over a year for Dadguns to take me to the DA and teach me how to 'walk the walk' after I wasted a bunch of the Rolling Flatulence one day. Resigned to the fact he has neither the balls nor the skill to show.
ack-ack
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I've been waiting for over a year for Dadguns to take me to the DA and teach me how to 'walk the walk' after I wasted a bunch of the Rolling Flatulence one day. Resigned to the fact he has neither the balls nor the skill to show.
ack-ack
You both get shot down by Daddy and want your revenge. I cherish this moment.... :lol
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You both get shot down by Daddy and want your revenge. I cherish this moment.... :lol
You never showed me how to 'walk the walk' so how could it be? Like I said, I've resigned myself to the fact that you neither have the balls or the skill to show me how to 'walk the walk'.
ack-ack
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You never showed me how to 'walk the walk' so how could it be? Like I said, I've resigned myself to the fact that you neither have the balls or the skill to show me how to 'walk the walk'.
ack-ack
Then if you have resigned, you can now get off of them,,, free rides aint cheap..
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You both get shot down by Daddy and want your revenge. I cherish this moment.... :lol
Pass it on... you've had enough.
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I have fought Steve he is not an easy kill, as a matter of fact he is down right hard to kill, he is very capable and knows how to use his E perfectly, on top of that he is a great shot, and that is the most important aspect of air combat.
Who is better between dads and I is not the point, although I thank you for your words.
The point is, much like his claim that the top 100 are easy kills, that dads has no earthly idea if I'm an easy kill... none whatsoever... zero, zip. Not a clue.
In the last 5 years, the player dadsguns has killed me 1 time; that's right one time. I was in a p51 and he was in a b24. Dadsguns has no inkling of whether or not I'm easy to kill. He also has no idea if he is better than the top 100 as he claims. Based on his anemic kills per hour stat, I'd say he is barely able to beat a 2 weeker but this is speculation.
Furthermore, dadsguns was asked repeatedly to tell us who the "we" is when he called me an easy kill. He said And yes, most including YOU, are easy kills as what we are saying here.
When asked repeatedly about this, who "we" is, he refused to answer. The fact is, Dadsguns pukes out unfounded remarks in hopes that nobody will bother to call him on it.
Is the "we" his squad? Perhaps. Even if it is, his statement about me being an easy kill has no basis in experience or fact. In the last 5 years, his squad has shot me down, fighter to fighter, exactly 1 time. That's right, one time,....ever. During the last few months, FWIW, I've killed members fo his squad 13 times in the air. Dadsguns has no idea what he is talking about, he makes statements about things while possessing no actual knowledge on the subject.
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Who is better between dads and I is not the point, although I thank you for your words.
The point is, much like his claim that the top 100 are easy kills, that dads has no earthly idea if I'm an easy kill... none whatsoever... zero, zip. Not a clue.
In the last 5 years, the player dadsguns has killed me 1 time; that's right one time. I was in a p51 and he was in a b24. Dadsguns has no inkling of whether or not I'm easy to kill. He also has no idea if he is better than the top 100 as he claims. Based on his anemic kills per hour stat, I'd say he is barely able to beat a 2 weeker but this is speculation.
Furthermore, dadsguns was asked repeatedly to tell us who the "we" is when he called me an easy kill. He said When asked repeatedly about this, who "we" is, he refused to answer. The fact is, Dadsguns pukes out unfounded remarks in hopes that nobody will bother to call him on it.
Is the "we" his squad? Perhaps. Even if it is, his statement about me being an easy kill has no basis in experience or fact. In the last 5 years, his squad has shot me down, fighter to fighter, exactly 1 time. That's right, one time. During the last few months, FWIW, I've killed members fo his squad 13 times in the air. Dadsguns has no idea what he is talking about, he makes statements about things while possessing no actual knowledge on the subject.
I answered your question, you just didnt like what you read. As usual, you and others dont get what YOU want and try to skirt the conversation or belittle everyone else but your idiotic thinking. Good luck. Nice try though.
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I answered your question, you just didnt like what you read. As usual, you and others dont get what YOU want and try to skirt the conversation or belittle everyone else but your idiotic thinking. Good luck. Nice try though.
You didn't answer anything. Are you down to just plain lying now?
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You didn't answer anything. Are you down to just plain lying now?
Yeah thats it. You got it. :rolleyes:
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I asked you how you came to the conclusion that I was an easy kill. You didn't answer.
You said
And yes, most including YOU, are easy kills as what we are saying here.
I asked you who "we" is and you didn't answer. You can insult me all you want with rhetorical barbs but it doesn't change the fact that you haven't answered these questions. I invite you, yet again, to answer them. If you have answered them, as you claim, go ahead and quote your answer again for me. Go ahead.
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I asked you how you came to the conclusion that I was an easy kill. You didn't answer.
You said
I asked you who "we" is and you didn't answer. You can insult me all you want with rhetorical barbs but it doesn't change the fact that you haven't answered these questions. I invite you, yet again, to answer them. If you have answered them, as you claim, go ahead and quote your answer again for me. Go ahead.
No, if you choose not to read what has already been answered, its on you to find it, not me.
You jump into a conversation demanding some answers to your rhetorical questions and have repeatedly told you to catch up. You simply choose to continue to ask what has already been said.
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No, if you choose not to read what has already been answered, its on you to find it, not me.
More avoidance. I expected nothing more. You've been slapped around so much in this thread I can't understand why you come back. I offer a $100.00 bounty to anyone who can find the answer to the two questions I've posed to dadstard. The sole condition is that they must be pre-existing, relative to this post.
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More avoidance. I expected nothing more. You've been slapped around so much in this thread I can't understand why you come back. I offer a $100.00 bounty to anyone who can find the answer to the two questions I've posed to dadstard. The sole condition is that they must be pre-existing, relative to this post.
:rofl
Free 100 bucks...
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:rofl
Free 100 bucks...
Yep come get it... anyone?
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He avoids answering a simple question like the plague....or was that a duel in the DA?
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He avoids answering a simple question like the plague....or was that a duel in the DA?
It was you on my lap,,,
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More avoidance. I expected nothing more. You've been slapped around so much in this thread I can't understand why you come back. I offer a $100.00 bounty to anyone who can find the answer to the two questions I've posed to dadstard. The sole condition is that they must be pre-existing, relative to this post.
anyone?
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anyone?
You would think you'd have a full PM box by now if anyone could find the answers.
ack-ack
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You would think you'd have a full PM box by now if anyone could find the answers.
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Yup. not a single one. Dadsatard is proven to be full of bull, yet again.
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alright Fugitive
dissect my score, should be nice and easy.
Late War Tour 110 Statistics for INK
Fighter Bomber Attack Veh./Boat Total
Kills 254 0 3 0 257
Assists 43 0 0 0 43
Sorties 225 0 3 0 228
Landed 45 0 0 0 45
Bailed 30 0 0 0 30
Ditched 4 0 0 0 4
Captured 30 0 0 0 30
Deaths 114 0 3 0 117
Discos 2 0 0 0 2
Time hh:mm:ss 40:06:08 00:00:00 00:26:26 00:00:00 40:32:34
Rank 564 4737 2618 4876 3411
Score Rank
Kills per Death + 1 1.44 900
Kills per Sortie 1.13 611
Kills per Hour of Flight 6.34 577
Kills Hit Percentage 4.93 1564
Kill Points 16346.96 564
Late War Tour 110 Statistics for INK
Kills Deaths
Model Kills In,Kills Of,,Killed By,Died In
A-20G 0 2 0 0
A6M2 0 3 0 2
A6M5b 0 10 5 0
Ar 234 0 1 0 0
B-17G 0 1 3 0
B-24J 0 4 1 0
Bf 109F-4 3 3 2 3
Bf 109G-14 5 5 3 3
Bf 109G-2 0 1 0 0
Bf 109G-6 5 0 1 7
Bf 109K-4 3 4 2 2
Bf 110C-4b 0 1 0 0
Boston III 0 1 0 0
C-47A 0 4 0 0
C.202 2 0 0 2
C.205 2 2 1 1
Chute 1 0 0 0
F4U-1 0 1 1 0
F4U-1A 3 11 3 3
F4U-1C 13 3 0 5
F4U-1D 0 12 5 0
F4U-4 4 0 0 1
F6F-5 0 2 4 0
FM2 0 2 0 0
Fw 190A-5 0 1 3 0
Fw 190A-8 11 8 3 2
Fw 190D-9 0 7 4 0
Fw 190F-8 0 2 0 0
Gunner 1 0 0 0
Hurri Mk IIC 54 5 4 38
Hurri Mk IID 0 1 0 0
Il-2 0 0 1 0
Ju 88 0 1 0 0
Ki-61 18 2 0 10
Ki-67 0 2 0 0
Ki-84-Ia 0 6 3 0
La-5FN 2 2 0 1
La-7 15 7 3 16
Lancaster III 0 2 1 0
M-3 0 1 1 0
Me 262 0 0 1 1
Mosq Mk VI 3 1 0 3
N1K2 49 16 7 25
Ostwind 0 0 1 0
P-38G 0 2 0 0
P-38J 0 4 1 0
P-38L 3 3 1 1
P-40B 0 0 1 1
P-40E 0 0 0 1
P-47-D11 0 1 0 0
P-47-D25 1 1 0 1
P-47-D40 0 6 1 0
P-47N 0 2 1 0
P-51B 3 2 1 0
P-51D 17 28 22 17
Panzer IV H 0 0 1 0
PT Boat 0 4 1 0
SeaFire 0 3 3 0
Ship Gunner 0 0 1 0
Spitfire Mk IX 0 7 9 0
Spitfire Mk V 0 5 2 0
Spitfire Mk VIII 0 12 11 0
Spitfire Mk XIV 0 1 1 0
Spitfire Mk XVI 13 30 21 2
Ta 152H 1 0 0 3
Tempest 28 1 4 3
Typhoon IB 3 8 6 0
Wirbelwind 0 1 2 0
Yak-9T 0 1 0 0
Yak-9U 0 4 3 2
263 Kills 156 Deaths
so what do you get from that?
Well Ink my old friend... I get that you are way way too serious about how you have progressed from a team player into a stand alone killer in a cartoon game. Your postings indicate that this is your job and not just an adventure in fun. If you are good at what you are doing, why care about what others think and just have fun and know in your own mind that your are good at having fun. IMO it's just as well to be happy with your own abilities and not worry about how you place among others.
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
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Doc!
:salute
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Yea Doc I am on board with you, I try to have fun my "score" sucks for a varity of reasons, but for me they could take the "score" board down cause if you REALLY don't care about score you don't need it.
The facts are that ANYONE who quotes ability based on the score board DOES care about score so they all need to stop being hipocrits.
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Doc!
:salute
Tky Bro <S>. It was much easier when we were in 4-wing and nobody spouted about mega-squads as we all just pretty much fought plane to plane, but like all things that are good, they don't last. Now you take what you can get and just have fun and if you aren't having fun here, why the heck does a person stay here? I guess it's all just a perspective of the player. sigh... The AH Vets wish for the old days of AH and the old AW players with for the old days of AW. I guess old Forrest was correct in his statement that life was like a bowl of Chocolates. Hmmm I don't even like sweets...lol
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
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Well Ink my old friend... I get that you are way way too serious about how you have progressed from a team player into a stand alone killer in a cartoon game. Your postings indicate that this is your job and not just an adventure in fun. If you are good at what you are doing, why care about what others think and just have fun and know in your own mind that your are good at having fun. IMO it's just as well to be happy with your own abilities and not worry about how you place among others.
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
:O
you are too funny, the sarcasm in your post stinks to high heaven, whats up? you seem to have an issue with me?
spit it out, don't hold back.lets hear it.
and by the way,
I have way more fun now, then I ever had, before.... and enjoy very much flying,killing,and dieing, in the virtual skies of Aces High.
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you are too funny, the sarcasm in your post stinks to high heaven, whats up? you seem to have an issue with me?
spit it out, don't hold back.lets hear it.
and by the way,
I have way more fun now, then I ever had, before.... and enjoy very much flying,killing,and dieing, in the virtual skies of Aces High.
Actually I wasn't being sarcastic at all! I have no issues with you nor have I ever in the years that we've flown together or against each other. I was merely expressing my own personal observations in how you used to be a pretty happy go lucky kinda dude and now you are way serious about all this. If I had meant to be sarcastic or insulting, I would have been much more blunt about it and you would know it without question.
Notice how I started the post out (Well Ink my old friend...). Perhaps we weren't as good a friends as I had thought.
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
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Actually I wasn't being sarcastic at all! I have no issues with you nor have I ever in the years that we've flown together or against each other. I was merely expressing my own personal observations in how you used to be a pretty happy go lucky kinda dude and now you are way serious about all this. If I had meant to be sarcastic or insulting, I would have been much more blunt about it and you would know it without question.
Notice how I started the post out (Well Ink my old friend...). Perhaps we weren't as good a friends as I had thought.
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
I am still the same guy I was when we were squadies, I have always taken AH serious, I try to have serious FUN, but I also have always tried to excel at this playing cartoon pilot, I don't know why you get out of my post( or a couple in the past) that I am different.
ether way,
If I took your reply wrong I am sorry, I have never had an issue with you, and still dont! :salute
INK
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I am still the same guy I was when we were squadies, I have always taken AH serious, I try to have serious FUN, but I also have always tried to excel at this playing cartoon pilot, I don't know why you get out of my post( or a couple in the past) that I am different.
ether way,
If I took your reply wrong I am sorry, I have never had an issue with you, and still dont! :salute
INK
I really didn't think that you were always that serious about it before but I did know you were very serious about your art. I have never been serious with the game itself and I guess I was just making my observations of you getting serious here in the message boards as overkill in a game. I guess this is your special hobby and I didn't take that into my considerations. I apologize and again, I meant no disrespect or sarcasm in my previous post. In the past, I didn't see the passion that you display in the message boards as you display now and that is what I based my previous post on. The bottom line is that you did take my reply in the wrong manner as it surely wasn't meant to be that way. I always enjoyed flying with ya bro and hope we do again. :salute
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
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I really didn't think that you were always that serious about it before but I did know you were very serious about your art. I have never been serious with the game itself and I guess I was just making my observations of you getting serious here in the message boards as overkill in a game. I guess this is your special hobby and I didn't take that into my considerations. I apologize and again, I meant no disrespect or sarcasm in my previous post. In the past, I didn't see the passion that you display in the message boards as you display now and that is what I based my previous post on. The bottom line is that you did take my reply in the wrong manner as it surely wasn't meant to be that way. I always enjoyed flying with ya bro and hope we do again. :salute
All the Best...
Jay
awDoc1
cool bro :aok
I feel like a d!ck now, thanx :lol
no seriously I am glad we talked and figured it out, most times in here crap just goes down hill and friendships are lost.
Truly I have always been serious about Ah, it is a passion of mine, most of my family laugh at me and thinks its silly, but growing up the life I had, I never was able to enjoy this type of fun, I will never forget the first time I saw AH, Jozepi was flying that Venerable P-38(he was my landlord at the time) I was blown away by it(AH not the 38),so I went out and bought the closest to AH I could find(fighter Ace) and started a lifelong passion, it was not long before I realized FA, just did not cut the mustard, so I down loaded AH, and practiced off line, but that was boring, so I started my account with AH,and the rest, as they say is history....
I also wanted to say that the reason I posted my numbers was to show that there are people that only fly fighter, that DONT care about rank or score, and just want to have a good time.
peace Doc.
Paul