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Title: What are the "other" new A/C for 1.06 ?
Post by: Laika on February 23, 2001, 09:14:00 AM: [pyro wrote]
"There's a lot of new planes in 1.06. We've shown six so far- the Tempest V, La-7, Yak-9T, Ar 234B, Fw 190F-8, and the Ta 152H. We have another two under construction so it looks like we'll have a total of eight."

Does anyone know what the "two under construction" are ? I'm hoping they are for either Japan/Italy/Russia or something to allow us to have a big historic event.

Given the planes we have/will get in 1.06 what do yo think the next big event will be ?

laika
Title: What are the "other" new A/C for 1.06 ?
Post by: Laika on February 23, 2001, 09:21:00 AM: Doh ! .. just saw the thread in the General Forum
Title: What are the "other" new A/C for 1.06 ?
Post by: AKDejaVu on February 23, 2001, 09:54:00 AM: No need to apologize.. you're the only one that posted in the correct forum (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)

AKDejaVu
Title: What are the "other" new A/C for 1.06 ?
Post by: Jack55 on February 24, 2001, 07:29:00 PM: P51H & KI84 are my guesses. I wish that I had inside info, but I don't.
Title: What are the "other" new A/C for 1.06 ?
Post by: Laika on February 24, 2001, 09:52:00 PM: "P51H & KI84 are my guesses"

I hope its neither of those. We have a pony and the Ki84 while needed it is too much like the N1k.... Jabo or Bomber for Japan/Italy/Russia please.
Title: What are the "other" new A/C for 1.06 ?
Post by: Tac on February 24, 2001, 10:56:00 PM: Id like to see at least one French fighter, and one from the Scandinavian/low countries/Belgium.

Ive never seen them in any sim.. heck, seeing the 205 and 202 here are still a shock to me (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Title: What are the "other" new A/C for 1.06 ?
Post by: -tronski- on February 25, 2001, 02:06:00 AM: Firstly: G'day Laika

Second: considering the whining about the Niki, the Ki84 seems unlikely..the same for P-51H. Can open a pandoras box, ie P-47M
Pleeeeease no more!

Likely:

SpitXIV : Depsite the desire by most who fear it's 'uberness'to leave it out , this is a major RAF fighter that deserves to be present. However the Tempest maybe fulfill that role this update

Me262 :Perhaps a necessary evil, but limited in it's application..WB's has shown a strong desire to kill these birds can limit its use. Usually only flown by experten, or raw recruits expecting a F-16 performance, and resulting success.

B-29 :Only because the predominance of fighters seems to point to a Heavy bomber. Unsure what to make of its impact, but could become the B52 role the lightly gunned Lanc can't fulfill.

Sherman tank :Keeps the yank tankers happy (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
But role already filled by Pz. The lean towards a land/sea base may preclude it from this update.

Possible:

Fw190D-9 : the F-8/Ta152 seems to kill any idea that a third Fw will be coming. However the lobbyists involved are vocal.

Il-2 : THE tactical Russian a/c.

G3M/G4M: A pressing need to for a Japenese bomber pushes for a torp capable land based a/c. Japenese CV base a/c were fragile to say the least, and would be like C-47's with torps in the MA.

Ju88C/G: Bring on the nightfighting, but the lean towards sea ops makes the nightwar far off.

Wishful thinking:

Beaufighter: deadly anti-shipping role, however not terribly uber or well known.

LVT: Needed! But I think I heard it's not going to be ready in time for 1.06 (hopefully I'm way off)

Panther tank: A tank that can stand up to med/small airfield defences.

A-20 Havoc/ A-26 Invader: It's got the guns. It's got the bombs..Attack!!

-tronski-
486 Sqn (NZ), "Hiwa hau Maka"

[This message has been edited by -tronski- (edited 02-27-2001).]
Title: What are the "other" new A/C for 1.06 ?
Post by: Jack55 on February 25, 2001, 11:07:00 AM: tronski,

Are you saying the H and KI are better than the 262 and XIV? Also, AH has two Spitfires and 190s already.

I hope they never bring back the night part of the game. Play Falcon4 if you want to play with RADAR.

Whining will always happen.

[This message has been edited by Jack55 (edited 02-25-2001).]
Title: What are the "other" new A/C for 1.06 ?
Post by: -tronski- on February 25, 2001, 06:07:00 PM: Not at all.

But I think that the XIV, and 262 are more likely at this stage than a P-51H.
There are 2 spits, but the differences between the IX, and XIV are far more profound than a P-51D and P-51H.

As for the Ki84, it is an important a/c and would not be out of place. But the whingeing about the Niki may preclude it's place for now. I would think a more 'sedate' Japenese fighter may be on its way ( a Raiden, or Ki61 etc)

As for nightfighting, rarely would it be pitch black. Radar already plays a part in AH, but a reduced radar on board a NF could make an interesting concept.

-tronski-
Title: What are the "other" new A/C for 1.06 ?
Post by: funked on February 25, 2001, 06:31:00 PM: I'd like to see it limited to WW2 planes. A post-1942 Spitfire would be nice. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
How about a bomber for the VVS or the Japanese?
Or ANY IJAAF aircraft?
Title: What are the "other" new A/C for 1.06 ?
Post by: juzz on February 25, 2001, 10:51:00 PM: Could be an ideal opportunity to introduce the Shoki aka Tojo into a sim. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

Ki-44-II: 376mph at 17k, climbrate like the La-5FN, wings smaller than on the Me 109. Armed with 4x12.7mm - although some had two 37mm or 40mm low velocity cannon for use against vehicles.
Title: What are the "other" new A/C for 1.06 ?
Post by: Dowding on February 26, 2001, 05:27:00 AM: I hope the Il-2 is included. And the T-34.
Title: What are the "other" new A/C for 1.06 ?
Post by: Jochen on February 26, 2001, 06:42:00 AM: Il-2 would be nice, it is totally different from anything we have right now. It wasnt very fast or maneuverable but here it would be fun to fly just above the ground with gunner pinging chasing fighters. Needless to say, Il-2 would be the ammo sponge of the game, well mabe after PzKw IVH.

Well, whatever the two unannounced planes are, I'm totally happy.

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Units: I. and II./KG 51, II. and III./KG 76, NSGr 1, NSGr 2, NSGr 20.
Planes: Do 17Z, Ju 87, Ju 88A, He 111H, Ar 234A, Me 410A, Me 262A, Fw 190F, Fw 190G.

Sieg oder bolsevismus!
Title: What are the "other" new A/C for 1.06 ?
Post by: -duma- on February 26, 2001, 06:48:00 AM: Quote
Originally posted by -tronski-:
A-20 Invader: It's got the guns. It's got the bombs..Attack!!

I think you mean the A-26 Invader. (The A-20 was the Havoc, nice plane though!) It certainly has got the guns - 8 in the nose and more in the wings, a possible total of 16 forward firing guns (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) Should be a perk bomber IMO, with perhaps the Havoc used as a non-perk light bomber (Over 7k built).

(http://www.13thbombsquadron.org/images/brownose.jpg)
Title: What are the "other" new A/C for 1.06 ?
Post by: Loyalist on February 26, 2001, 07:09:00 AM: Man, this is turning into a Korean War sim now...

When are they going to add in early or mid war planes?
Title: What are the "other" new A/C for 1.06 ?
Post by: gatt on February 26, 2001, 07:35:00 AM: We still have no Spitfire XIV (even a late Spitfire IX would be nice) and no 190D-9. "Weird" is not enuff to describe it.
Title: What are the "other" new A/C for 1.06 ?
Post by: Seeker on February 26, 2001, 09:42:00 PM: Seeing as how AH is slowly turning into "Full real Crimsom Skies"; who wants to bet on the Shinden-Kai?

(Oh Lord, please let me have got the name right before they eat me alive......)
Title: What are the "other" new A/C for 1.06 ?
Post by: Vermillion on February 27, 2001, 07:03:00 AM: Quote
Seeing as how AH is slowly turning into "Full real Crimsom Skies"; who wants to bet on the Shinden-Kai?
(Oh Lord, please let me have got the name right before they eat me alive......)

Hmmm... I don't think I would want to bet against that... considering we have had the N1K2-J Shinden Kai "George" since fairly early in the beta (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)

Throw him to the dogs !!! ** Mob of angry Aero Freaks tosses Seeker into a pit of starving Russian Wolf Hounds **

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
Title: What are the "other" new A/C for 1.06 ?
Post by: Pongo on February 27, 2001, 08:40:00 AM: 2 planes left un anounced.
Ill take
Spit XIV
P47N or M
Title: What are the "other" new A/C for 1.06 ?
Post by: Seeker on February 27, 2001, 09:16:00 AM: You had a Shinden in the beta?

Just to make sure I'm not more confused than normal, the one I'm thinking of is the canard winged pusher monoplane......

And of course the Jap 262 copy, and a cherry blossom would be nice for those CV's, and a warhead load out for Kamikaze's, a flame thrower for the B25 and Sherman and, and, and.

Strange thing. I've been lucky enough to sit in a Spit1, and 109E and a cherry blossom in the Manchester science museum. The cherry blossom had more room than the 109......
Title: What are the "other" new A/C for 1.06 ?
Post by: Vermillion on February 27, 2001, 09:59:00 AM: Shinden and a Shinden-Kai (which you listed) are two seperate things.

The N1K2-J, which we have in AH, is the "Shinden-Kai".

You are thinking of the J7W1"Shinden", two completely different aircraft.

US Air Force Museum Link for you:
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/air_power/ap18a.htm (http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/air_power/ap18a.htm)

Who's your Daddy? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/tongue.gif)

For those that don't know, Seeker is one of the newest members of our Squadron, so I feel it is my profound duty to razz him mercilously. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
Title: What are the "other" new A/C for 1.06 ?
Post by: Karnak on February 27, 2001, 10:08:00 AM: Actually, its the J7W1 Shiden that is the pusher.

No "n" after the "i".

As HTC is more or less entering the "What If" realm with the Ta152H-1, it might be neat to see it as a perk.

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For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother

Sisu
-Karnak
Title: What are the "other" new A/C for 1.06 ?
Post by: Curly on February 27, 2001, 10:27:00 AM: Ta152 was produced.

Shinden was a proto-type.

See a difference?

Good.

Curly
Title: What are the "other" new A/C for 1.06 ?
Post by: Effdub on February 27, 2001, 10:33:00 AM: I'd like to see more russian planes...

Here are two of them:
a) a lend lease P-39 with russian markings
b) a captured 190-D9 with russian markings

(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)

Effdub
Title: What are the "other" new A/C for 1.06 ?
Post by: Spritle on February 27, 2001, 01:12:00 PM: Actually Verm we don't have the Shinden we have the Shiden. Page 320 and 335 of Japanese Aircraft of the Pacific War by R.J. Francillon.
http://www.j-aircraft.com/gallery/navy/n1k1_gallery.htm (http://www.j-aircraft.com/gallery/navy/n1k1_gallery.htm)
http://www.j-aircraft.com/gallery/navy/j7w_gallery.htm (http://www.j-aircraft.com/gallery/navy/j7w_gallery.htm)

Honestly Verm you must have been without your resources when you made that post (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)

Spritle.

P.S. The Shinden would be a really bad choice. I don't think 1 prototype aircraft that suffered from engine overheating and severe vibration problems would constitute a good choice in aircraft. Total flight time of the 1 powered prototype was 45 minutes. I hardly think this qualifies it as a good fighter.

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Title: What are the "other" new A/C for 1.06 ?
Post by: Vermillion on February 27, 2001, 01:29:00 PM: Spritle, follow the link in my post (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)

If I'm wrong, then so is the US Air Force Musuem who actually HAS a Kawanishi N1K2-J in its collection.

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Vermillion
**MOL**, Men of Leisure
Title: What are the "other" new A/C for 1.06 ?
Post by: Rendar on February 27, 2001, 02:12:00 PM: Ta-152H is not what-if. There was actually an ace in that plane.

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Rendar
Title: What are the "other" new A/C for 1.06 ?
Post by: Seeker on February 27, 2001, 11:53:00 PM: So I got the name wrong (grovels).

It'd still be one wierd thing to fly!

There's an Italian version too, the S.A.I. Ambrosini S.S.4. Great idea, but typical Italian workmanship (Note, my Laverda cost me my first nervous breakdown trying to keep the lights working.)

Here's one to get you librarians going: the Martin Baker MB5. You can keep your prop powered U2 prototypes (Ta series), I want a fighter!

A Saunders Roe SRA1 would make C.V.'s superflous (and we made it work! which is more than the Yanks did with their jet sea plane)

And for ultimate silliness, I want a McDonnel XF-85 Goblin, as I never land anyway.

Yes, the more I think about it, the more I think the Goblin is THE squad plane. If we can find one big enough for Westy.

(Has obscure reference books, and is not afraid to use them)
Title: What are the "other" new A/C for 1.06 ?
Post by: Brat on February 28, 2001, 02:20:00 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Jack55:

Slug?
Title: What are the "other" new A/C for 1.06 ?
Post by: Spritle on February 28, 2001, 10:58:00 PM: Verm,

It isn't the first time the US Airforce has been wrong and it wont be the last. Head on over to j-aircraft.com and ask in the forum there. Then if you still aren't convinced try hyperscale.com or maybe hlj.com, I could list more. About the only thing the Airforce got right is the George part of the name. That in fact was the Army Aircorps contribution to the naming of Japanese aircraft the Allied Code names. I'm pretty sure they didn't come up with the Japanese names for the aircraft.

Oh yeah one more link if you still have an inkling of doubt. http://www.marksindex.com/aviation/aviation.html (http://www.marksindex.com/aviation/aviation.html)

Send an e-mail to the webmaster Mark T. Wlodarczyk mark@marksindex.com

He will confirm the Shiden and Shinden quandary.

Spritle
Title: What are the "other" new A/C for 1.06 ?
Post by: -ammo- on March 01, 2001, 12:48:00 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Pongo:
2 planes left un anounced.
Ill take
Spit XIV
P47N or M

hmmm I would love a P-47M..but the N you can leave. Thats a suitable sacrifice I think (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)

(http://home.nc.rr.com/ammo/public.html/unw_sig.jpg) (http://www.jump.net/~cs3)
Title: What are the "other" new A/C for 1.06 ?
Post by: Westy on March 01, 2001, 02:00:00 PM: "Yes, the more I think about it, the more I think the Goblin is THE squad plane. If we can find one big enough for Westy."

Better be a BIG Goblin, with extra Jato units. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Title: What are the "other" new A/C for 1.06 ?
Post by: Fishu on March 01, 2001, 02:03:00 PM: I say that those two other planes are some other versions from already existing planes...
like some newer/older P51, P47, spitfire... (probably newer)