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Title: Tu-2
Post by: Pyro on August 09, 2001, 04:19:00 PM

Anybody have or know where I can get some interior photos of the Tu-2?

Title: Tu-2
Post by: mason22 on August 09, 2001, 04:29:00 PM

this guy has a book (scroll down)
 http://www.thewesternfront.com/books/EditionsHeimdalbooks.html (http://www.thewesternfront.com/books/EditionsHeimdalbooks.html)

Title: Tu-2
Post by: funkedup on August 09, 2001, 04:30:00 PM

:D

Title: Tu-2
Post by: Serapis on August 09, 2001, 05:51:00 PM

Pyro, they actually have on on display at the War Eagles Museum which is in your neck of the woods (or at least somewhat close by in New Mexico). They might let you inside to take all the pictures you want.

Here's a link.
War Eagles TU-2 (http://www.war-eagles-air-museum.com/tu-2_1.html)

Charon

Title: Tu-2
Post by: Zigrat on August 09, 2001, 05:51:00 PM

yeah baby!

Title: Tu-2
Post by: brady on August 09, 2001, 06:27:00 PM

O God, O God, O God, let it be so....

     This will be a cool plane(forward firing 23mm's of love).

Title: Tu-2
Post by: Karnak on August 09, 2001, 06:32:00 PM

Brady,

Most Tu-2s had forward firing 20mm cannon, not 23mm.  I wouldn't count your chickens quite yet.

Title: Tu-2
Post by: SOLAS on August 09, 2001, 08:47:00 PM

i am the 2th person from the left before a tu-2 after a speciel event in russia 1943.

 (http://www.airforce.ru/staff/nikishin/Tu-2.jpg)

Title: Tu-2
Post by: BenDover on August 09, 2001, 10:13:00 PM

BS!!!!!!!  :D   :p
btw,wot a tu-2??

Title: Tu-2
Post by: Westy MOL on August 10, 2001, 08:24:00 PM

I cast my net upon the information highway and in one day I got these three. Hoping for more soon.

 These are from the TU-2 the WEEKS Museum had in Florida.

 Well. they were tripod pix. I downloaded them and put them on my ftp site:

 (http://www.townisp.com/~jugdriver/Tu-2_Cockpit.jpg)

 (http://www.townisp.com/~jugdriver/Tu-2_Forward_Section.jpg)

 (http://www.townisp.com/~jugdriver/Tu-2_Panel.jpg)


   Westy

[ 08-10-2001: Message edited by: Westy MOL ]

Title: Tu-2
Post by: GRUNHERZ on August 11, 2001, 01:48:00 AM

Those communists copied german rudder pedals.  :)

Title: Tu-2
Post by: Pyro on August 11, 2001, 10:58:00 AM

Charon, thanks for the info.  Although it's just across the Texas border, it's still 640 miles away from us.  Perhaps I'll be able to make some arrangements remotely.

Westy, excellent stuff.  Just what I'm looking for.  Are there any more, particularly from the gun positions?

Title: Tu-2
Post by: R4M on August 11, 2001, 11:53:00 AM

Someone to put some performance numbers on this commie bird?  :)

Looks kind of a Soviet Mosquito  :)

Title: Tu-2
Post by: Westy MOL on August 11, 2001, 12:09:00 PM

Only those three so far Pyro. But I'm still looking on the net. Also waiting for more replies to a query I'd sent out. I'm at work so I can try for the web to search for material but no access to books nor to any replies to my request for TU-2 shots I may have gotten since the ones above.

 Will post later...

   Westy

Title: Tu-2
Post by: Staga on August 11, 2001, 12:13:00 PM

There were lots of Tu-2 types but my guess is this is what we get:
 http://hep2.physics.arizona.edu/~savin/ram/tu-2s.html (http://hep2.physics.arizona.edu/~savin/ram/tu-2s.html)

Title: Tu-2
Post by: Staga on August 11, 2001, 12:48:00 PM

Looks like Tu-2 is better choice to fast bomber than Mosquito.
20-30 mph better top-speed in sealevel (FB. MK VI / Tu-2S), About same speed in 15000ft, much better bomb load and defensive armament of 3*12,3mm UBT.
It will be a good add to AHs planeset  :)

Title: Tu-2
Post by: Boroda on August 11, 2001, 01:16:00 PM

Pyro, did you see the Tu-2 pilot's manual? Unfortunately the link I had is broken, so now I am contacting Yakov Filatov who scanned it.

AFAIR I showed that scanned manual to Wells and maybe to some other WB/AH players.

It has all the cockpit views, but in b/w schematic drawings.

Title: Tu-2
Post by: Nashwan on August 11, 2001, 01:55:00 PM

Staga, if the link you posted is accurate, the Mosquito is faster than the Tu2 at all altitudes, about 30mph faster at sea level.

Title: Tu-2
Post by: Fatty on August 11, 2001, 01:57:00 PM

Heh, nice idea Toad, it works.

[ 08-11-2001: Message edited by: Fatty ]

Title: Tu-2
Post by: Toad on August 11, 2001, 01:59:00 PM

OK, Fatty, you have totally lost me there.

...but do I get a pecentage of the gross if the theory works out?

[ 08-11-2001: Message edited by: Toad ]

Title: Tu-2
Post by: Staga on August 11, 2001, 03:06:00 PM

Nashwan I saw a text which gave Mosquito FB Mk VI three different speeds (0 ft ms gear, rest fs gear):
With load, only with rails under wings and clean.

                       0ft  13900  20700  
Max Speed (loaded)      278    327    329
Max Speed ( only rails) 286    336    337
Max Speed (clean)       296    351    358

And Tu-2S @ sealevel 482/509kmh = 299/316mph and in 5400km alt 547kmh=347mph

Of course these might not be correct numbers but anyway it is fast, have defensive armament and good load  :)

Title: Tu-2
Post by: Fatty on August 11, 2001, 03:14:00 PM

Was the UBB bug Toad.  Posted to get in.

Title: Tu-2
Post by: ra on August 11, 2001, 03:21:00 PM

The Tu-2 would be more fun than the Mosquito because not only does it have defensive armament, but it has 2x20mm (or 23mm) for strafing.  You can see the gunsite in the picture posted above.  The Mossy bomber version would just be a drop-and-run plane.

ra

Title: Tu-2
Post by: GRUNHERZ on August 11, 2001, 03:26:00 PM

No, the Mosquito Fighter/Bomber had 4x20mm Hispano with 150-175 rds per gun, plus it had 4 .303 with some unholy large ammo load.

Plus it Could carry 2 bombs internally and 2 more on wing racks or 8 60lb warhead heavy rockets.


The Mosquito is better than this plane.

Title: Tu-2
Post by: Karnak on August 11, 2001, 03:38:00 PM

I'm glad that we're getting the Tu-2.  It'll give the Russian planeset a complete arsenal.  Now they need the T-34/76 or T-34/85.

Staga,

The Mosquito FB.MkVI Series 2 can do about 345mph on the deck when using WEP.  Top speed of the FB.VI Series 2 is 380mph at 13,000ft.

The difference between a Series 1 and 2 Mossie is the engines.  Series 1 had 1,460hp Merlin 21, 22 or 23 engines. Series 2 had 1,635hp Merlin 25 engines.

I'm hoping that the Tu-2 is indeed in v1.08.

Title: Tu-2
Post by: Nashwan on August 11, 2001, 04:13:00 PM

Staga, the max speed clean is about right for a Mossie with "ducted saxophone" exhausts, ie those fitted for night operations. For day operations, clean, max speed was around 380mph.
Mosquito FB VIs had either Merlin 23 or 25, with max boost of either 12/18lb boost for the 25, 9/12lb for the 23. I've never seen reliable performance figures that quote which engines achieved which speeds. Does your source specify the engines and boost settings?
Most of the figures I have seen show a speed of 330-350mph at sea level. A page that gives the same table of speeds you gave (your source?) gives 336 at sea level for FB variants. http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bfillery/mossie02.htm (http://www.home.gil.com.au/~bfillery/mossie02.htm)

Edit: reply started before Karnak's was posted. I'm obviously a slow typer.

[ 08-11-2001: Message edited by: Nashwan ]

Title: Tu-2
Post by: juzz on August 11, 2001, 04:28:00 PM

For the FB.VI Series II, 380mph is achieved with shrouded exhausts - multiple ejectors add 12mph. Staga's figures are the maximum cruising speeds.

The Tu-2 has a nice bombload - it can carry 1000kg internally, plus another two 1000kg bombs on wing racks; total bombload = 3000kg(or 600lbs more than the B-17). Top speed with full bombload would still be over 300mph at 18k.  :)

Title: Tu-2
Post by: Dowding on August 11, 2001, 06:49:00 PM

It would be very cool to have the Tu-2 and T-34 for scenarios, not to mention the spice it would bring to the MA.

Title: Tu-2
Post by: Sundog on August 11, 2001, 08:05:00 PM

The Tu-2 and the Mossie would both be excellent additions to AH. However, I have to say that I prefer the Tu-2 to the Mossie, because I don't have to look at some ugly mug sit'n next to me!  ;) .

Westy, awesome pics you posted there. Have any Tu-2s in the west ever been flyable, or are any being restored to flight status? Doubtful, but it would be cool to see one of those fly.

Title: Tu-2
Post by: Pyro on August 12, 2001, 11:45:00 PM

Never seen the pilot's manual for one.  Cockpit schematics would be great.  I think the hardest part will be getting photos of the gunner positions.  It's not critical but it would be nice to have instead of winging it.

Has anybody ever seen the book that Mason linked?

Title: Tu-2
Post by: Toad on August 13, 2001, 12:15:00 AM

I think War Eagles restores to flyable.

I haven't been there in a long time ('91 I think) but they used to roll out 5 of them on the 1st Saturday of every month and fly.

I saw the TU-2 there when it had just arrived in pieces. Looks much better in the pic now.

Title: Tu-2
Post by: Westy MOL on August 13, 2001, 10:33:00 AM

Well. I'm tapped out right now for pix or info. I have no books torefer to and I'm not getting much more in the way of replies via usenet and a few web boards.

Anything I find I'll post.

 Westy

Title: Tu-2
Post by: Kuban on August 14, 2001, 06:32:00 AM

http://www.aviation.ru/Tu/2 (http://www.aviation.ru/Tu/2)
 http://www.aviation.ru/Tu/ (http://www.aviation.ru/Tu/)
 (http://canopus.lpi.msk.su/~watson/wwii/tu2-d.gif)

 (http://www.aviation.ru/Tu/2/Tu-2.jpg)

Title: Tu-2
Post by: Boroda on August 26, 2001, 10:58:00 AM

Pyro, I found the Tu-2 manual. Sent a link to pyro@hitechcreations.com

Title: Tu-2
Post by: Boroda on August 26, 2001, 11:11:00 AM

E-mail returned, "user unknown"...

 :(

Pyro, please, contact me if you are still interested.

Title: Tu-2
Post by: Sancho on August 26, 2001, 01:22:00 PM

Boroda, his address is dougb at hitechcreations.com.  Dunno why he doesn't have a "pyro" alias.  :D

Title: Tu-2
Post by: Boroda on August 26, 2001, 01:34:00 PM

Many thanks! Sending e-mail now!