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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: Unit791 on March 28, 2009, 08:53:15 AM
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The Fokker DXXI was an early war dutch plane. It was used by Dutch, Finnish, and Danish forces in World War 2. It may not look it but it must be relatively good since it was widely superior to the 109E, and for dutch forces shot down roughly 30 aircraft, in Finnish forces, over 200 aircraft.
(http://www.letletlet-warplanes.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/fokker-d-21-01.jpg)
Specs:
Crew: One, pilot
Length: 8.20 m (26 ft 11 in)
Wingspan: 11.00 m (36 ft 1 in)
Height: 2.95 m (9 ft 8 in)
Empty weight: 1,594 kg (3,511 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 1,970 kg (4,399 lb)
Powerplant: 1× Bristol Mercury VIII air-cooled, 9-cylinder, radial, 619 kW (830 hp)
Performance
Maximum speed: 460 km/h (285 mph)
Range: 930 km (502 nm, 574 mi)
Service ceiling: 9,350 m (30,675 ft)
Rate of climb: 6,000 m in 7 min 30 sec (19,680 ft)
Power/mass: 405 hp/t ()
Armament
4 × 7.92 mm FN Browning M36 machine guns
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Superior to the 109E? Not a chance.
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Superior to the 109E? Not a chance.
Where is your proof? It seems like a nice plane, +1.
-FYB
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Superior to the 109E?
Your figures show it to be ~70mph slower, with an inferior rate of climb. 4 .30 caliber MGs are not exactly instant death either.
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The Fokker is lighter, so perhaps it's wing loading allowed it a better turn rate than the 109? <shrug> In 1939/1940 fighter tactics were rapidly evolving from WWI-style angles tactics into slashing, high-speed energy tactics. I'll bet that there must have been some 109 pilots who found out about that to their cost, when they tried to dogfight the DXXI.
The Bf-109E-1 was armed with 2 x 7mm machine guns in the nose and 2 x 7mm machine guns in the wings. It wasn't until the E-3 was introduced that 109s regularly carried MG-FF 20mm cannon.
Still, I say bring on the Fokker! We can always use more early-war birds, for better historical match-ups.
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Reminds me of a D3A, always a fun plane to dog fight with, so I'm all for it.
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and has a nasty lookin telescopic gunsight at that, looks fun to fly but i wouldnt say superior to the 109, atleast on paper. Im in
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+1,000,000,000
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The Fokker is lighter, so perhaps it's wing loading allowed it a better turn rate than the 109?
There's some Finnish Air Force "here-say" which claimed that Blenheim actually outturned the Fokker D.XXI. :) True or not that should put things into perspective. :) Emil wasn't exactly a turny ride either but saying that Fokker D.XXI was "widely superior" is just an illusion. :)
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I'm all for getting as many of the early war birds as possible. Realistically the Hawk 75A-2 (and possibly the -4) would see more scenario use since it was used by both France and Finland...
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The Fokker DXXI was an early war dutch plane. It was used by Dutch, Finnish, and Danish forces in World War 2. It may not look it but it must be relatively good since it was widely superior to the 109E, and for dutch forces shot down roughly 30 aircraft, in Finnish forces, over 200 aircraft.
Im all up for it!
Do note that of the roughly 30 aircraft shot down, most were Ju-52's and recce-aircraft.
Although I think it would make for a nice fight against the 109 (early models).
Another nice Fokker would be the G1, I've heared that one actually was superior to the 109!
http://www.luijken.com/images/inprogress/G1SoloSkyB2_v008_0279c.jpg
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I think a Dewoitine D.520, or Yak, or a I16 might be a better addition to the early plane set than a limited use Fokker.
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Add it!
+1
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Yeah, put it in!
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+1 for me.
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The Fokker is lighter, so perhaps it's wing loading allowed it a better turn rate than the 109? <shrug> In 1939/1940 fighter tactics were rapidly evolving from WWI-style angles tactics into slashing, high-speed energy tactics. I'll bet that there must have been some 109 pilots who found out about that to their cost, when they tried to dogfight the DXXI.
Germans had already discovered this and made the transition for the largest part during & right after the Spanish Civil war, where the fast 109 fought much more maneuverable planes. Allied forces still used vic formation, Germans had switched to Schwarm & Rotte in Spain already.
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IN
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Oh my... I fell for it... :(
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Why is everyone +1ing planes that nobody will ever fly. AH2 is all about the late war.
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Why is everyone +1ing planes that nobody will ever fly. AH2 is all about the late war.
Sure is.
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Oh my... I fell for it... :(
I almost did too... I got confused when I saw a post by me and couldn't remember posting it lol.
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Why is everyone +1ing planes that nobody will ever fly. AH2 is all about the late war.
There's at least a few models from before late war that have some characteristic that makes them competitive in the MAs, more than they were in reality. e.g. '43 spits. Or the MK103 mounted on pretty much anything. Or the Brewster's agility coupled with armament matching a P-51B's. etc
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There's at least a few models from before late war that have some characteristic that makes them competitive in the MAs, more than they were in reality. e.g. '43 spits. Or the MK103 mounted on pretty much anything. Or the Brewster's agility coupled with armament matching a P-51B's. etc
Don't forget the P-38G.